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12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; RSVCE
This text is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. What does it mean to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in the God who authors our salvation. The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.

The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.
(What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)? | GotQuestions.org)

I agree with the above so quoted it hear rather than write my own comments. If "work out" implied required works than we would again have Scripture contradicting itself for Paul wrote that works have no part in our salvation.

I think the correct way of understanding this would be to paraphrase it like this:

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only in my presence but much more in my absence, live out your salvation continuing in sanctification in humility and reverence for the Living God who is judge of all.

This passage is not teaching we must work for our salvation but that we need to live out our salvation. Walk the talk. Continue in the good works God prepared beforehand for you trusting that "he who began a good work in you will complete it."
 
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This text is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. What does it mean to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in the God who authors our salvation. The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.

The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.
(What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)? | GotQuestions.org)

I agree with the above so quoted it hear rather than write my own comments. If "work out" implied required works than we would again have Scripture contradicting itself for Paul wrote that works have no part in our salvation.

I think the correct way of understanding this would be to paraphrase it like this:

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only in my presence but much more in my absence, live out your salvation continuing in sanctification in humility and reverence for the Living God who is judge of all.

This passage is not teaching we must work for our salvation but that we need to live out our salvation. Walk the talk. Continue in the good works God prepared beforehand for you trusting that "he who began a good work in you will complete it."
We don't need Got Questions as a Bible interpreter to spin away the words for us, the text is quite clear and the message is supported elsewhere in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body. RSVCE

Romans 2:6 For he will render to every man according to his works. RSVCE

 
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We don't need Got Questions as a Bible interpreter to spin away the words for us, the text is quite clear and the message is supported elsewhere in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body. RSVCE

Romans 2:6 For he will render to every man according to his works. RSVCE

There are two judgments. The Great White Throne judgment where the sheep are separated from the goats and the Bema Seat judgment where rewards are decided. Those verses apply only to the Bema Seat judgment.

You are avoiding the point I have been making namely if you believe works play a role in salvation then what do you make of Paul's words that works play no role in salvation? You apparently believe there are contradictions in the Bible or that God is of two minds?
 
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We don't need Got Questions as a Bible interpreter to spin away the words for us, the text is quite clear and the message is supported elsewhere in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body. RSVCE

Romans 2:6 For he will render to every man according to his works. RSVCE

Rather than attack an organization you don't like, respond to their words. I don't like Catholic Answers but I don't say something negative every time someone quotes them. I respond to the content, not the organization.
 
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