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Clare73 said:
Was Abraham at risk of losing the righteousness credited to him by faith?
Does Ro 4:1-4 give any indication of such?
Nowhere is that even suggested in Scripture.
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We have to understand what faith is. Faith is more than the rote act of believing something. Faith is a virtue and as such is, itself, a critical aspect of justice for man. To believe in God is the right thing to do. It’s to be as one with Him, reconciled to Him, in solidarity with Him. It’s to become ‘His people’ (Jer 31:32), back on board with Him after Adam’s exile away from Him. From within that vital relationship righteousness flows to man like sap through a vine-and it must do so in order for us to have any true and abundant life. And that life, united to God, is our justification and our salvation.

Now, can the grafted in branch be cut back off? Can I fail to remain in Him? Can I return to sin, to life in the flesh? Of course, according to Scripture at least.
 
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Clare73 said:
Contraire. . .you don't really understand the nature of the new birth, nor
the deposit/earnest money of the Holy Spirit from God himself guaranteeing the re-born's shared inheritance (2 Co 1:27, 5:5, Eph 1:14) as co-heirs in Christ's own inheritance (Ro 8:17).

Christ died for all the sins of the re-born. Salvation is of God alone. God doesn't save me and then it is up to me to keep myself saved.
All the glory goes to God alone because he alone saves to the uttermost.

You mitigate the gospel and, thereby, the glory of God.
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Christ died for the sins of all. Whether or not we care, whether or not we respond to His grace, is not entirely left up to Him-because, at His sovereign discretion, He wants our participation-and increasingly so. And that, in fact, is why He allowed man to fall to begin with.
 
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fhansen said:
Christ died for the sins of all. Whether or not we care, whether or not we respond to His grace, is not entirely left up to Him-because, at His sovereign discretion, He wants our participation-and increasingly so. And that, in fact, is why He allowed man to fall to begin with.
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All the ear-marks of humanistic reasoning, and none of Biblical revelation.
 
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fhansen said:
We have to understand what faith is.
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Actually, we have to believe what the NT presents.
And it presents the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of the inheritance of the born again.
 
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Clare73 said:
All the ear-marks of humanistic reasoning, and none of Biblical revelation.
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Nope, quite biblical, and in line with the faith historically understood as well. You've just bought into novel fallacy here and there- and still haven't done your due diligence in researching the faith of those who knew it from the early days of Christianity.
 
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Clare73 said:
Actually, we have to believe what the NT presents.
And it presents the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of the inheritance of the born again.
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Actually, we have to know what faith is. There's lots of misunderstanding on that matter based on misinterpretations of
Scripture. The letter to the Ephesians is all about encouragement, to keep them on the right path. The Holy Spirit is promised, of course, as that's central to the New Covenant to those who remain in Him and in His kindness.
 
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fhansen said:
This is very true. To divorce faith from righteousness, and from the righteous acts that should accompany that righteousness, is to do violence to the gospel. Faith and righteous living are inseparable.
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There are no righteous works of unbelievers.
When an unbeliever comes to faith, which is salvation (Eph 2:8-9), he has no righteous works.
 
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fhansen said:
We have to understand what faith is. Faith is more than the rote act of believing something. Faith is a virtue and as such is, itself, a critical aspect of justice for man. To believe in God is the right thing to do. It’s to be as one with Him, reconciled to Him, in solidarity with Him. It’s to become ‘His people’ (Jer 31:32), back on board with Him after Adam’s exile away from Him. From within that vital relationship righteousness flows to man like sap through a vine-and it must do so in order for us to have any true and abundant life. And that life, united to God, is our justification and our salvation.

Now, can the grafted in branch be cut back off? Can I fail to remain in Him? Can I return to sin, to life in the flesh? Of course, according to Scripture at least.
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And you believe that the BODY OF CHRIST is a Branch ?

We are a NEW CREAION in Christ !!

1 Cor 12:13- 17 say that we are not a branch OR a vine .

As verse 14 says that the body of Christ has many members !!

Verse 15 says that we are his FOOT .

verse 16 says we are his ear

verse 17 says we are his eyes

his sense of hearing

and sense of SMELL in verse 17

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Clare73 said:
Sounding brass and tinkling cymbal until Biblically demonstrated. . .
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I've done that many times in the past even though I know the faith independently of the bible as well as with it-and you've done nothing to address any of it anyway. But even here, on this thread, again, quoting myself:

"Now, can the grafted in branch be cut back off? (John 15:2, Rom 11:17-24) Can I fail to remain in Him? (John 15:5) Can I return to sin, to life in the flesh? (1 Pet 2:11, Rom 8:12-14, Gal 5:19-21, Rev 22:14)

The Holy Spirit is promised, of course, as that's central to the New Covenant for those who remain in Him (John 15:5) and in His kindness. (Rom 11:22)
 
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There are no righteous works of unbelievers.
When an unbeliever comes to faith, which is salvation (Eph 2:8-9), he has no righteous works.
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And who said otherwise? Either way a person cannot say that they are a person of faith-at least a faith that is worth anything- if they have no good fruit. Their profession of faith will be meaningless, will do them no good. Their faith will be unproductive and won't save them unless it produces good works, unless it leads to love, to put it another way-and we must participate in that work of God's. Faith is the gateway to Him and His life in us.

"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

"Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." Heb 12:14

"When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. " Rom 6:20-23

That righteousness is a gift (Rom 5:17), part of the new nature that comes freely with our justification. It doesn't come by way of the law, even though the law attests to it (Rom 3:21). It's directly from God-we just can't have it apart from Him. Faith places us squarely with Him, His people now (Jer 31:33).
 
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