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Republicans Need to DITCH tTheir Conspiracy Theories

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The Republicans need to DITCH their conspiracy theories.
There is no evidence to support them.


This attraction to EXPLANATIONS that seem to explain an event, but do not
carefully examine the evidence, is something that Christians should label
as GOSSIP.

Note that this type of gossip is very common in America today. I'm not
sure why. But I speculate that gossip does not require any of the due process
of carefully hunting for evidence, in order to carefully describe an event.

Note that Alex Jones made hundreds of millions of dollars, by spreading lies
about the Sandy Hook school shooting. He described it as a "Deep State" hoax,
that really, never happened. But it did. Still, millions of people liked to listen
to Jones spin his lies, while he was damaging the lives of the survivors of the
Sandy Hook school shooting.

You will see a similar system of urban legends growing up around the school
shooting at Columbine, by the screwed up kids Dylon and Eric. Try reading the
detailed journalism of Dave Cullen in his book on this shooting.


The urban legend is that Dylon and Eric were rejects of the high school social
life (they were not), who were into Goth and trench coats (they were not), who
were persecuted by jocks (they were not), and who planned the school shooting
in order to target the jocks who persecuted them (this was not their intention).

But the news media covering the Columbine massacre offered up these explanations,
without proof, and the student body at Columbine began to belief these explanations,
as did much of America. But, this was all gossip. The facts, point to a very different
reality.

In modern America, we have gossip outrunning facts. And this makes America
terrifically vulnerable to those who feed "explanations" out to the public, in
social media.
---------- ----------

It may seem emotionally appealing for Americans to hear someone say "The Justice
Department unfairly tried and convicted me. And if they can do this to me, then they
can do this to anyone in America."

There is no basis in fact for the story that the Justice department is persecuting
Trump. That is a conspiracy theory. Just as it is a conspiracy theory that the 2020
election was stolen from Trump, through systematic fraud.

Trump has not produced evidence that his conspiracy theories are true.
And until he does, Christians should not be embracing them.
 

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Amen. True Christians fear the Lord and live in His word. Not gossip or politics. I believe it's why the bible teaches us the gate is narrow and few will find it. We believers certainly won't find the gate with earthly gossip or by being busybodies. Great idea to create this thread brother. Thank you. Hopefully actual Christians might address this topic for our own growth.
 
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Gossip spreads faster than the truth can put its shoes on, or however the saying goes.

I think everyone would do themselves and their communities some good by not identifying so closely and personally with political figures. parties, and movements. None of the ruling/owning class are your friend; they're not fighting for you, and they don't share your values. Or rather, if they do, and you consider yourself a serious person (let alone a serious Christian in particular), it's time to do some serious soul-searching.
 
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Amen. True Christians fear the Lord and live in His word. Not gossip or politics. I believe it's why the bible teaches us the gate is narrow and few will find it. We believers certainly won't find the gate with earthly gossip or by being busybodies. Great idea to create this thread brother. Thank you. Hopefully actual Christians might address this topic for our own growth.
Are you non political Brihaha?
 
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Are you non political Brihaha?

I'm relearning how to be non-political for sure. This Trump era was insightful and interesting. I became political with all my reading and following our government's actions, or lack thereof. It was an era for much learning for anyone who wanted to learn. Now my goal is to revert back to normal, without the polarization and tribalism that has entrenched itself into our society. It's counterproductive, dangerous and silly. Especially for us Christians. I'm not there yet, but I figure it will coincide with Donald Trump fading into obscurity. He really brings out the worst in our people and society. It's fascinating.
 
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I'm relearning how to be non-political for sure. This Trump era was insightful and interesting. I became political with all my reading and following our government's actions, or lack thereof. It was an era for much learning for anyone who wanted to learn. Now my goal is to revert back to normal, without the polarization and tribalism that has entrenched itself into our society. It's counterproductive, dangerous and silly. Especially for us Christians. I'm not there yet, but I figure it will coincide with Donald Trump fading into obscurity. He really brings out the worst in our people and society. It's fascinating.
So lets say Trump wins. Will you become political again?
 
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So lets say Trump wins. Will you become political again?

No sir. I'm going down Mexico way and live down there somewhere. I'm not subjecting myself to another Trump debacle. Y'all don't understand how ridiculous Trump and his fans in America act. You sit back and say "Gee, why don't they want Trump"? Because you haven't had to explain to your grandkids why the flag on the back of that truck repeatedly driving down the street says "F... Joe Biden". We already had a childcare problem in America before the adults started acting like Donald Trump. And we've known the crook for 40 years or more. He's not a respectable man or leader. It would be the epitome of foolishness to elect that convicted felon as president again.

I am not spending my remaining decade or two in a tribal country of misguided pagans who elected the fool again. Because I don't have to. It would be dangerous for my faith, salvation and sobriety. I'm a fairly patient man, but with Donald Trump my patience was exhausted long ago. I'll let those Americans suffer the consequences they deserve if they somehow elect him again.

I'm guessing they will get caught trying to cheat for Donald. He is now telling his voters the opposite regarding mail ballots, he's actually encouraging voters to vote by mail. He wouldn't do that if he didn't have a plan to cheat. Because that's how he operates. After all, how you do anything is how you do everything. Donald Trump has demonstrated many times over that he cheats in everything he does. I happen to believe him!
 
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No sir. I'm going down Mexico way and live down there somewhere. I'm not subjecting myself to another Trump debacle. Y'all don't understand how ridiculous Trump and his fans in America act. You sit back and say "Gee, why don't they want Trump"? Because you haven't had to explain to your grandkids why the flag on the back of that truck repeatedly driving down the street says "F... Joe Biden". We already had a childcare problem in America before the adults started acting like Donald Trump. And we've known the crook for 40 years or more. He's not a respectable man or leader. It would be the epitome of foolishness to elect that convicted felon as president again.

I am not spending my remaining decade or two in a tribal country of misguided pagans who elected the fool again. Because I don't have to. It would be dangerous for my faith, salvation and sobriety. I'm a fairly patient man, but with Donald Trump my patience was exhausted long ago. I'll let those Americans suffer the consequences they deserve if they somehow elect him again.

I'm guessing they will get caught trying to cheat for Donald. He is now telling his voters the opposite regarding mail ballots, he's actually encouraging voters to vote by mail. He wouldn't do that if he didn't have a plan to cheat. Because that's how he operates. After all, how you do anything is how you do everything. Donald Trump has demonstrated many times over that he cheats in everything he does. I happen to believe him!
Sounds like you're incredibly political when it comes to people you perceive as your enemy being out of power. That's fine but you can't advocate being non political when you are so clearly a political creature.
 
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Sounds like you're incredibly political when it comes to people you perceive as your enemy being out of power. That's fine but you can't advocate being non political when you are so clearly a political creature.

I am not too political friend. Donald Trump is not even a politician. I recognized him for what he is in the 80s. I can advocate for being non political because it's my goal. I don't fail when I keep trying. And I don't care to play word games with folks who just want to argue. Peace
 
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The Republicans need to DITCH their conspiracy theories.
There is no evidence to support them.


This attraction to EXPLANATIONS that seem to explain an event, but do not
carefully examine the evidence, is something that Christians should label
as GOSSIP.

Note that this type of gossip is very common in America today. I'm not
sure why. But I speculate that gossip does not require any of the due process
of carefully hunting for evidence, in order to carefully describe an event.

Note that Alex Jones made hundreds of millions of dollars, by spreading lies
about the Sandy Hook school shooting. He described it as a "Deep State" hoax,
that really, never happened. But it did. Still, millions of people liked to listen
to Jones spin his lies, while he was damaging the lives of the survivors of the
Sandy Hook school shooting.

You will see a similar system of urban legends growing up around the school
shooting at Columbine, by the screwed up kids Dylon and Eric. Try reading the
detailed journalism of Dave Cullen in his book on this shooting.


The urban legend is that Dylon and Eric were rejects of the high school social
life (they were not), who were into Goth and trench coats (they were not), who
were persecuted by jocks (they were not), and who planned the school shooting
in order to target the jocks who persecuted them (this was not their intention).

But the news media covering the Columbine massacre offered up these explanations,
without proof, and the student body at Columbine began to belief these explanations,
as did much of America. But, this was all gossip. The facts, point to a very different
reality.

In modern America, we have gossip outrunning facts. And this makes America
terrifically vulnerable to those who feed "explanations" out to the public, in
social media.
---------- ----------

It may seem emotionally appealing for Americans to hear someone say "The Justice
Department unfairly tried and convicted me. And if they can do this to me, then they
can do this to anyone in America."

There is no basis in fact for the story that the Justice department is persecuting
Trump. That is a conspiracy theory. Just as it is a conspiracy theory that the 2020
election was stolen from Trump, through systematic fraud.

Trump has not produced evidence that his conspiracy theories are true.
And until he does, Christians should not be embracing them.

Many Americans are unfamiliar with critical thinking.

I've heard it said we have medieval institutions filled with paleolithic brains with godlike powers. I think that sums up what the problem is. The Internet has brought propaganda into peoples lives that simply aren't able to filter out nonsense.
 
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I am not too political friend. Donald Trump is not even a politician. I recognized him for what he is in the 80s. I can advocate for being non political because it's my goal. I don't fail when I keep trying. And I don't care to play word games with folks who just want to argue. Peace
So you're not political despite being against Trump and are going to leave the country if he wins?
 
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No sir. I'm going down Mexico way and live down there somewhere. I'm not subjecting myself to another Trump debacle. Y'all don't understand how ridiculous Trump and his fans in America act. You sit back and say "Gee, why don't they want Trump"? Because you haven't had to explain to your grandkids why the flag on the back of that truck repeatedly driving down the street says "F... Joe Biden". We already had a childcare problem in America before the adults started acting like Donald Trump. And we've known the crook for 40 years or more. He's not a respectable man or leader. It would be the epitome of foolishness to elect that convicted felon as president again.

I am not spending my remaining decade or two in a tribal country of misguided pagans who elected the fool again. Because I don't have to. It would be dangerous for my faith, salvation and sobriety. I'm a fairly patient man, but with Donald Trump my patience was exhausted long ago. I'll let those Americans suffer the consequences they deserve if they somehow elect him again.

I'm guessing they will get caught trying to cheat for Donald. He is now telling his voters the opposite regarding mail ballots, he's actually encouraging voters to vote by mail. He wouldn't do that if he didn't have a plan to cheat. Because that's how he operates. After all, how you do anything is how you do everything. Donald Trump has demonstrated many times over that he cheats in everything he does. I happen to believe him!
Seems rather harsh on Trump. In my thinking only Truman and JFK were pretty honest. The rest have scandals of one sort or another. Clinton had the most, but since they were mostly personal he did still make a good President. I would just say that the U.S. Constitution will hold the line for Trump just as it has done for Biden. No man is big enough yet to overturn the workings of the USA government. I would never move for any President, or even let them get into my head. Mexico is not a bad idea though if one thinks there is going to be war. I'd start on the visa now though, and make sure you can qualify for a temporary residence (Required for 4 years, granted a year at a time).
 
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Seems rather harsh on Trump. In my thinking only Truman and JFK were pretty honest. The rest have scandals of one sort or another. Clinton had the most, but since they were mostly personal he did still make a good President. I would just say that the U.S. Constitution will hold the line for Trump just as it has done for Biden. No man is big enough yet to overturn the workings of the USA government. I would never move for any President, or even let them get into my head. Mexico is not a bad idea though if one thinks there is going to be war. I'd start on the visa now though, and make sure you can qualify for a temporary residence (Required for 4 years, granted a year at a time).

I don't sweat Trump the man. He would be lame duck from the get go. I thank you for the advice. It is wise to plan ahead. I don't even have a passport lol. I kinda understand that poster to whom I was responding, and my answer was somewhat in jest.
 
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Seems rather harsh on Trump. In my thinking only Truman and JFK were pretty honest. The rest have scandals of one sort or another. Clinton had the most, but since they were mostly personal he did still make a good President. I would just say that the U.S. Constitution will hold the line for Trump just as it has done for Biden. No man is big enough yet to overturn the workings of the USA government. I would never move for any President, or even let them get into my head. Mexico is not a bad idea though if one thinks there is going to be war. I'd start on the visa now though, and make sure you can qualify for a temporary residence (Required for 4 years, granted a year at a time).

Are there people who really think there's going to be a war? I find that concern to be a bit over-reactive.
 
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Are there people who really think there's going to be a war? I find that concern to be a bit over-reactive.
We currently live in an era where major powers refuse to negotiate settlements and disputes. They also continue to escalate without end in sight. It's hardly over reactive.
 
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We currently live in an era where major powers refuse to negotiate settlements and disputes. They also continue to escalate without end in sight. It's hardly over reactive.

Sure. I get that, but I was specifically referring to the case of the peculiar but still plural sort of political tensions we have in the U.S.

Personally, I wouldn't compare tensions in the U.S. to those present in the onset of the wars in Ukraine or Israel. It's not like that and people shouldn't talk as if they're similar.
 
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The Republicans need to DITCH their conspiracy theories.
There is no evidence to support them.


This attraction to EXPLANATIONS that seem to explain an event, but do not
carefully examine the evidence, is something that Christians should label
as GOSSIP.

Note that this type of gossip is very common in America today. I'm not
sure why. But I speculate that gossip does not require any of the due process
of carefully hunting for evidence, in order to carefully describe an event.

Note that Alex Jones made hundreds of millions of dollars, by spreading lies
about the Sandy Hook school shooting. He described it as a "Deep State" hoax,
that really, never happened. But it did. Still, millions of people liked to listen
to Jones spin his lies, while he was damaging the lives of the survivors of the
Sandy Hook school shooting.

You will see a similar system of urban legends growing up around the school
shooting at Columbine, by the screwed up kids Dylon and Eric. Try reading the
detailed journalism of Dave Cullen in his book on this shooting.


The urban legend is that Dylon and Eric were rejects of the high school social
life (they were not), who were into Goth and trench coats (they were not), who
were persecuted by jocks (they were not), and who planned the school shooting
in order to target the jocks who persecuted them (this was not their intention).

But the news media covering the Columbine massacre offered up these explanations,
without proof, and the student body at Columbine began to belief these explanations,
as did much of America. But, this was all gossip. The facts, point to a very different
reality.

In modern America, we have gossip outrunning facts. And this makes America
terrifically vulnerable to those who feed "explanations" out to the public, in
social media.
---------- ----------

It may seem emotionally appealing for Americans to hear someone say "The Justice
Department unfairly tried and convicted me. And if they can do this to me, then they
can do this to anyone in America."

There is no basis in fact for the story that the Justice department is persecuting
Trump. That is a conspiracy theory. Just as it is a conspiracy theory that the 2020
election was stolen from Trump, through systematic fraud.

Trump has not produced evidence that his conspiracy theories are true.
And until he does, Christians should not be embracing them.
Amen!
 
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I am not too political friend. Donald Trump is not even a politician. I recognized him for what he is in the 80s. I can advocate for being non political because it's my goal. I don't fail when I keep trying. And I don't care to play word games with folks who just want to argue. Peace
I’ve never considered him a politician, though I have loosley used the word. I consider him to be a business man and a reality show host.
 
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