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Hebrews 11:39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

Peter literally writes of the Bricks in Heaven that build up the Kingdom that are built upon the Cornerstone that the Builders rejected. We are the bricks. Jesus is the Corner stone. The Bricks end up with the Corner Stone in Heaven.

1 Peter 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.

I can't emphasize enough... THE CLOUD STUDY IS IMPORTANT.

Revelation 11:11
But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

PENTACOST! THE BREATH ENTERED THEM! Paraclete! (Come up here.... And they went up to heaven in a cloud!) That's all that Die IN JESUS CHRIST!
Acts 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”​
57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.​
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.

Stephen Followed the First Fruits! Heaven OPENED FOR HIM! He was excited to go meet Jesus! He literally quotes JESUS! Do you really think that The Son would let his "Son" Stephen... ROT IN THE GRAVE? Did HIS Father LET His Son rot in THE GRAVE?
 
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Ghosts...... Literally in the STRONGS BIBLE study tool are THERE, verified by Jesus and the Apostles to be a real THING!

Am I saying people should summon them and all of that jazz? NO! Because as discussed... It takes Angles that Aren't Respecters of God's Desires to make "Phantasm's" appear! It's just plain dumb to mess with that stuff!

Leviticus 19:31 31 “‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

It doesn't say DEMON Conjurors... or any of the like! It's a direct reference to "Necromancy"...
Deuteronomy 18:9-12 When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

I absolutely think Sci-Fi and Fantasy are fun movie Genera's .... BUT... Necromancy isn't bringing a person back from the dead into (Rotting Flesh). It's literally what Genuine Mediums do. They can CONJURE disembodied SOULS, through the communion with and power of Demons! For goodness sakes Tony.... it's in the Bible! Protestant doctrine has a way of severely impairing people's ways of understanding SPIRITUAL truths, but Catholics (The Mother Brick and Mortar Church), who go back WAY further than the Protestant denominations by 1500 years plus, know that there is an unseen Spiritual World that Exists in Heaven, for good,, and on Earth for Bad.

Tony! Living in Heaven, NOW, as a Repentant Believer... IS REAL. Existing Sentiently in Sheol, as a Dead Unrepentant Unbeliever, IS REAL.

The Book of acts reveals this:

Acts 16:16 Once, as we were on our way to prayer, a slave girl met us who had a spirit of prediction. She made a large profit for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 As she followed Paul and us she cried out, “These men, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation, are the slaves of the Most High God.” 18 And she did this for many days.

This girl is identical to the Witch of Endor. She has a Demon possessing her and has access to spirits locked within Sheol. The modern day word for this girl is Medium. Mediums CAN be FAKE. But, Mediums CAN be Real. God does not desire the realm of the Dead to mix with the realm of the living for a very GOOD Reason. This said... it is not ridiculous to Believe scripture as it reads and exegetes, naturally. God literally warns us to STAY away from Mediums, just as He warned Saul for good reason. To be more direct, it isn't positive to allow scientific reason to overwhelm the more accurate revelation of Jesus Christ through scripture.

Look at what the Girl is saying. She is telling the truth that the Men are Slaves to Jesus and the Gospel. The problem is that She's doing it in a disruptive way that makes the actual act of spreading the gospel, difficult. That's the Demon speaking. But, she could indeed summon "Ghosts" of the DEAD. Do Demons come along with that package? Yes, without a doubt, but Ghosts are indeed a Real Scriptural concept.

Allow me to put it this way... if a Believer were to summon a Ghost, through a genuine demon possesed MEDIUM, they would be messing up, because they are tampering with the very Fabric of Creation itself, as it is divided according to GOD's Design. (Leviticus 19:31
“‘Do not go to mediums or fortune-tellers for advice, or you will become unclean. I am the LORD your God." I'm very generous with New Covenant freedom in discussion, but this one is a matter I severely warn people against! Opening those doors for the sake of speaking to missed Loved ones is always DISASTEROUS! Let's say the Believer is seeking to speak to someone that is in Sheol... a Demon is Required to Mediate... which is always a really bad idea! The Believer wants to summon someone that is in Heaven... so, God would be immediately hearing the workings of the Medium, through the Demon, Heavenwards. Now, Samuel wasn't in Heaven, Yet... because Christ hadn't died on the Cross Yet, so he was at Abraham's Bosom, which was indeed protected by God. So, we see that God permitted the Disembodied Soul of Samuel to reply, but it was Disasterous for Saul, as Samuel delivered a message from God, to Samuel, though the Demon, in the Witch / Medium.. which is theologically humorous if you really ponder it, or maybe I just have a warped sense of humor.

Let's allow the biblical account to speak for it's self, without skepticism or extra biblical assumptions;

1 Samuel 28:9 But the woman said to him, “Look, you are aware of what Saul has done; he has removed the mediums and magicians from the land! Why are you trapping me so you can put me to death?” 10 But Saul swore an oath to her by the Lord, “As surely as the Lord lives, you will not incur guilt in this matter!” 11 The woman replied, “Who is it that I should bring up for you?” He said, “Bring up for me Samuel.”

The MEDIUM is SCARED! Saul has been a Witch Hunting! Yet, there he is and basically SWEARS that the GUILT won't be upon the witch. So, Saul askes to speak with Samuel.


12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out loudly. The woman said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!” 13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid! But what have you seen?” The woman replied to Saul, “I have seen a divine being coming up from the ground!” 14 He said to her, “What about his appearance?” She said, “An old man is coming up! He is wrapped in a robe!”

Now the Woman is terrified, because Saul, who had disguised himself is revealed to be Saul by the Demon within her who is accessing Samuel. Saul is asking... What are you seeing, because He doesn't have the site of Demons which can SEE the Disembodied Souls of those that are indeed sentient within SHEOL! The Witch calls the Being Divine, because it is a Righteous Eternal Soul. Like it or not, this soul is rising from the GROUND, not some Grave site. The Being is contained within SHEOL, which is an UNSEEABLE place of the Earth, to the LIVING of the Flesh Realm.

Then Saul realized it was Samuel, and he bowed his face toward the ground and kneeled down. 15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” Saul replied, “I am terribly troubled! The Philistines are fighting against me and God has turned away from me. He does not answer me anymore—not by the prophets nor by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what I should do.”

Don't you see the humor in this? Samuel is in a Paradise within Sheol and is basically saying, what is this nonsense....

16 Samuel said, “Why are you asking me, now that the Lord has turned away from you and has become your enemy? 17 The Lord has done exactly as I prophesied! The Lord has torn the kingdom from your hand and has given it to your neighbor David! 18 Since you did not obey the Lord and did not carry out his fierce anger against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this thing to you today. 19 The Lord will hand you and Israel over to the Philistines! Tomorrow both you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also hand the army of Israel over to the Philistines!”

Because God is allowing this to occur, Samuel simply doubles down on his actual Prophecy to Saul, who is now realizing that he is now in even more major trouble! He's has now been busted consorting with Demons by God, through the Medium, through the Demon and from Samuel!


20 Saul quickly fell full length on the ground and was very afraid because of Samuel’s words. He was completely drained of energy, having not eaten anything all that day and night. 21 When the woman came to Saul and saw how terrified he was, she said to him, “Your servant has done what you asked. I took my life into my own hands and did what you told me. 22 Now it’s your turn to listen to your servant! Let me set before you a bit of bread so that you can eat. When you regain your strength, you can go on your way.”

Saul had FASTED to speak with Samuel.

23 But he refused, saying, “I won’t eat!” Both his servants and the woman urged him to eat, so he gave in. He got up from the ground and sat down on the bed. 24 Now the woman had a well-fed calf at her home that she quickly slaughtered. Taking some flour, she kneaded it and baked bread without leaven. 25 She brought it to Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they arose and left that same night.

Now, Tony, of all the times you've read this, have you ever noticed the oddity that I have emphasized, in verse 24, in red?

Back to PAUL....

But Paul was greatly aggravated and turning to the spirit, said, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!” And it came out right away.

Paul gets sick of the Medium's distractions and Casts her Demon out, thus killing her ability to COMMUNE with Disembodied Souls.

19 When her owners saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to the authorities. 20 Bringing them before the chief magistrates, they said, “These men are seriously disturbing our city. They are Jews 21 and are promoting customs that are not legal for us as Romans to adopt or practice.”

Paul ticked off the Mediums Owners, because Paul had killed their Cash Cow!

22 Then the mob joined in the attack against them, and the chief magistrates stripped off their clothes and ordered them to be beaten with rods. 23 After they had inflicted many blows on them, they threw them in jail, ordering the jailer to keep them securely guarded. 24 Receiving such an order, he put them into the inner prison and secured their feet in the stocks.

Finally, the whole event ends up leading up one of the most beautiful Jail breaks ever found in scripture, with the exception of 1 Peter 3.

Paul and Silas being Jail Broken is a pretty wonderful passage. :D
 
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The soul is immortal and sentient. If it wasn't Jesus wouldn't have said things that will be discussed in this post.

First Order Logic. Jesus is the very Presence of God, therefore "it is certain" that "if" He even insinuated that the Soul is immortal and capable of being sentient outside the body, that the Soul "is indeed" immortal.

I am certain of this not by personal pet theology, but because of God Incarnate's very own words. Jesus didn't just ENTER Sheol (The scripturally referenced Place of the Dead) and break sentient souls from the grasp of Satan, but He prophesied He would do that very thing in one of His most riveting statements involving one of the most potent words in scripture.

Mark 3:22 The Torah-teachers who came down from Yerushalayim said, “He has Ba‘al-Zibbul in him,” and “It is by the ruler of the demons that he expels the demons.” 23 But he called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan expel Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom can’t survive; 25 and if a household is divided against itself, that household can’t survive. 26 So if Satan has rebelled against himself and is divided, he can’t survive either; and that’s the end of him. 27 Furthermore, no one can break into a strong man’s house and make off with his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. After that, he can ransack his house. 28 Yes! I tell you that people will be forgiven all sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 however, someone who blasphemes against the Ruach HaKodesh never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.” 30 For they had been saying, “He has an unclean spirit in him.”​

Okay, Ba' al, the Pegan name for the Highest Pagen god. al-Zibbul, Of the Flies. Satan is the "god of death", because where ever death is, flies will surely be buzzing. Now, Jesus slips in a prophecy, while He is lambasting the Teachers of the Torah in the only passage of scripture where Jesus does this. (I was kidding about the only passage of scripture thing).

Jesus is literally saying that the KEYS of Death (AKA to the Realm of The Dead) are about to become HIS.

(Revelation 1:8) I am He that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death.

Who had those keys before? (Hebrews 2:14) His death might destroy the one who has the power of DEATH - The devil. <- Ba'al-Zibbul

How did Jesus get those keys? The first part of Hebrews 2:14 reveals this. Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death—that is, the Devil​
The Strong Man in Mark 3 is Satan. Jesus BOUND SATAN (Jude 1:6) at Golgotha.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day
It is immediately after the ascension that Jesus has Michael cast Satan and his Angels down to this earth, where they are CHAINED in the Darkness of this Dying Earth that awaits Jesus Christ's PHYSICAL Return.

Revelation 12:5 But she gave birth to a Son—a male who is going to shepherd all nations with an iron scepter—and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 ....... 7 Then war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. The dragon and his angels also fought, 8 but he could not prevail, and there was no place for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was thrown out—the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the one who deceives the whole world. He was thrown to earth, and his angels with him.
Okay, but what about where the HOLY SPIRIT (VERY SOUL) of Jesus Christ was when Jesus Christ was Made Dead in the Realm of the Living? Jesus and His Father Share the Same Identical SOUL. "Do you not believe that MY Father is IN ME, as I am IN MY FATHER?" HOLY GHOST, HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY SOUL..... "Do you not believe that (The very Soul of my Father) is IN ME, as (The Very Soul of ME) is in MY Father?

Now look at Mark, again....
Mark 3:28 however, someone who blasphemes against the Ruach HaKodesh never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.” 30 For they had been saying, “He has an unclean spirit (Pneuma / SOUL) in him.” Acts 5:32 N-ANS GRK: καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον NAS: and [so is] the Holy Spirit, whom KJV: [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God
Don't get hung up on the fact that Soul in Hebrew is Spirit in Greek and all that Jazz. This is simple. Spirit of God, The Father is Spirit. Body of God - The Son (Messenger of YHWH with the name of YHWH written within Him). That Leaves THE SOUL. God is Infinite. I'm pretty certain that I'm susceptible to mob violence at this moment, but I'm working up for my study in Hebrews and this was the best place to do it.​
I'm handing over a "pearl" here! Someone who blasphemes against the Ruach HaKodesh is blaspheming against the FATHER, BECAUSE The Father and the Son... SHARE the SAME Soul! Father - Spirit, Son - Body, Ruach HaKodesh - HOLY SOUL of GOD! Ofcoarse God is Three! But, Hear oh Israel, do you not know that The LORD YOUR GOD, Who's VERY IMAGE (LIKENESS) that you are made in, is UNE.

I was hoping you may have already looked into this on your "Trinity" Thread when I tried to lightly broach the matter with purposefully stuttering words. Before you think I'm nuts, go back to all of your questions in scripture about the VERY Mysteries involving the Being of God and see if the "Spiritual Theorem" answers them. Please, at least test it in scripture before you lean on your own understanding on the matter. I'm willing to suggest that it won't fail you. Why? Because I'm too dumb to think it up... and that's all I will say about the matter.

Did Jesus and the Apostles Believe in Ghosts? (Immortal disembodied sentient souls)

Matthew 24:26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.
5326 [e] Phantasma PHANTASMA <-​

Mark 6:49 but when they saw him walking on the lake, they thought he was a ghost. They cried out,
Again.... PHANTASMA​
5326. phantasma

Strong's Concordance
phantasma: an appearance, apparition

Original Word: φάντασμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phantasma
Phonetic Spelling: (fan'-tas-mah)
Definition: an appearance, apparition
Usage: an apparition, ghost, spirit, phantom.​

First order Logic, did Jesus or the Holy Spirit at any time ever suggest that "This belief is a lie", in scripture?

Luke 24:39 Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Touch Me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have.”​

First order Logic, did Jesus say, "why do you believe in the false idea of the Immortal, disembodied soul?"
Is Jesus an author of confusion? Do or do not His words carry the HIGHEST theological weight?

Let's go a step further. Did Jesus insinuate that there is a realm of sentient disembodied Souls?

Luke 16:22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.

The Beggar dies and his corpse most likely was found and disposed of because he was too poor to afford a grave. Remember, first order Logic, there's the Grave... which the KJV improperly translates Sheol to.

The Rich Man dies and was buried. (GRAVE) NOT SHEOL.

The Beggar is "Carried to Abraham's side"... and this PARABLE is being told before Jesus died, so why not HEAVEN?
Hebrews 11:39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

Hebrews gives the answer. Yes, I'm saying that Jesus Jail Broke Sentient souls form SHEOL which in no way is a metaphor for the GRAVE.

23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side
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Here the Greek equivalent for Sheol is used and we see that the Pharisee is Tormented and Jealous that Lazarus is living in the good part of the Realm of the Dead.​

24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
The Pharisee sees that Lazarus is at Spiritual Peace, while the Pharisee is full of horrible anguish and asks if Lazarus can simply give him a drop of the Peace that he witnesses within Lazarus.

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Abraham is revealing to the Pharisee that he had recognition, wealth and the rewards of being a selfish hard hearted man that was perceived as Righteous in the Flesh to others. He then points out that Lazarus was simple and lowly, thus poor and spited by many in his life. Abraham politely tells the Pharisee that his inner agony isn't a thing to be washed away. There is only true Spiritual peace available to the POOR OF SPIRIT, the MEAK, the BROKEN HEARTED.​

26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.
The Pharisee is convicted in his Heart and has repented. Yet there is no way to go from the bad side to the good side, not to mention that Abraham is stuck in a nice place, within Sheol, yet not HOME, yet.​

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
This unknown dead Pharisee is convicted and asks that somehow the GENTILES who are HUNGRY for JESUS (Lazarus is also a metaphor for Gentile nations) can go and witness to his Hard Hearted Torah teaching brothers... so that they do not live with the inner anguish that the unknown Pharisee is living with. The REPENTANT Pharisee is also asking for a DEAD Soul to go in GHOSTLY form to convict his Stone Hearted brethren of... THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ (Living Water)... as he sees it's results manifested in the Peace within Lazarus.​
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
Jesus was foretold in Torah, but the pride of his 5 brothers is too great for them to see it.

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
Now, in this place of the dead, The repentant Pharisee is begging that Lazarus, the saved meek man that is a literal occurrence in Sheol and a figurative prophecy of the Gentiles to come... go and witness to his hard hearted kin. This is a picture of unbelieving Israel and believing Israel that gives up it's identity to be part of THE BODY OF CHRIST. It is also a picture of a soul in Sheol Repenting. Yet, make no mistake, I'm certain that this is a real occurrence and that a certain CHARLES DICKENS understood the deep message within the messages within messages of the MESSAGE of THE LIVING WORD.

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
These 5 didn't BELIEVE in Jesus when HE was right in front of them. I assure you, the one brother here, REPENTED before the HOLY SPIRIT of CHRIST when He entered Sheol... and found salvation. I know this, in my soul. Can I prove it? Not exactly, but I can imagine how the AUTHOR of Love WHO desired that none should be lost and ALL come to repentance would have handled this.​
There's a new batch waiting in Sheol. Some will arise to Glory and others to Shame.​

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Now, Jesus is telling His Father, after having been Spiritually Cut off from HIM, IN OUR PLACE (Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?)... That The Father alone is HIS Judge... and BOOOOOOOMMMMM

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1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God,

Why do I never use this verse to refute the doctrine of Limited Atonement? Because it is too special of a verse to utilize as it reveals the very presence of Ruach HaKodesh operating VISUALLY in the Realm of the DEAD.

But, if we are only going to be with God when He RETURNS and we are RESSURECTED, then Why did Jesus say this in person or through His Apostles?


John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
2 Corinthians 5:11 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

John 13:36 Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, where are you going?” Jesus answered him, “Where I am going you cannot follow me now, but you will follow afterward.”

John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.

John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Our Bodies WILL see the Grave, but who cares about the Tent, Our Souls will bypass Sheol and Abode with Jesus in Heaven!

2 Corinthians 5:4 Indeed, we groan while we are in this tent, burdened as we are, because we do not want to be unclothed but clothed, so that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
Paul, the TENT MAKER (Spiritual for Maker of Spiritual Tabernacle and literal in career)... Talks about our Tabernacles, as in Houses of the Holy Spirit of Christ, Groaning towards DEATH. Mortality swallowed up... This is a talk of our death!

5 And the One who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave us the Spirit as a down payment.
We are prepared with Death and SEALED by the same Holy Spirit of Christ that Jail Broke SHEOL!
6 So, we are always confident and know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.
If we read this to mean that it is not about death, it still has spiritual value that is wise. BUT... I haven't given VERSE 1, just YET. It is saying that when we are ALIVE on Earth (Home in the Body and double so IN THE BODY OF CHRIST here at present), we are Absent from Jesus.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight, 8 and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.
When this TENT Dies, we will be Home with Jesus, IN HEAVEN! The Church needed to be assured of this because it was being slaughtered in droves, 1 Tent at a time! Lions! Crosses lining streets with Christians who's heads had been dipped in oil. Beheading. Sawing in TWAIN... This is IMPORTANT for the ever present possibility of being Martyred in HIs NAME. How do we KNOW we will go to be with HIM upon death? We have FAITH!

This same Paul said this in Philippians 1:23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;

Paul is longing for DEATH... SO HE can be with JESUS! He wants to go to HEAVEN. He knows that His Soul will go there upon death and believed this so sternly that this occurred: Foxes Book of Martyrs "Paul, the apostle, who before was called Saul, after his great travail and unspeakable labors in promoting the Gospel of Christ, suffered also in this first persecution under Nero. Abdias, declareth that under his execution Nero sent two of his esquires, Ferega and Parthemius, to bring him word of his death. They, coming to Paul instructing the people, desired him to pray for them, that they might believe; who told them that shortly after they should believe and be baptised at His sepulcher. This done, the soldiers came and led him out of the city to the place of execution, where he, after his prayers made, gave his neck to the sword."
1 Peter 3:18 after being put to death in the fleshly realm
This is the most accurate rendering of this passage! It combines the θανατωθεὶς and the σαρκὶ to fully follow through as intended. To state thanatōtheis in the passage was MORE than sufficient to render that Christ DIED... but to add sarki makes it clear that this in in refrence to a removal of Christ from the Sarks (Realm of Flesh)​
1 Peter 3:18 but made alive in the spiritual realm.
Same EXACT matter! The Greek renders Quickened in the Spiritual or MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRITUAL zōopoiētheis / pneumati
You saw the verse where Jesus specifies that HE is NOT a Spirit / Ghost / Phantasm. It would be ignoring all of Jesus' and the Disciples words on this matter. You can't have Pneumati seperated from the sarki and come to ANY other conclusion. It is first order logic air tight.

19 In that state He also went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison 20 who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared. In it a few—that is, eight people—were saved through water.
In that state (No Sarki) only in (Pneumati)! This is the proper handling of the Greek! To say that this STATE is POST Resurrection or Pre Crucifixion would be to insinuate that Jesus was NOT in the SARKI. No Flesh would equal no Hebrews 2:14.
So then, we now know that it makes sense that (Those disobedient in the Time of Noah) are referenced. God wiped out the flesh, but is addressing their sentient Immortal Souls in a VERY NON-Metaphorical Place.
Proof verse, in light of the Law being fulfilled by Context of Paul:
Romans 10:6 Moreover, the righteousness grounded in trusting says:
“Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend to heaven?’” —​
This is to say that if the Law is unfulfilled, Messiah has to return and complete what He didn't complete.

that is, to bring the Messiah down —​
This is exactly why Paul says that it would force Messiah to return.

7 or, “‘Who will descend into Sh’ol?’” —​
This is exactly why Paul says that to suggest that the Saved will REST IN THE GRAVE or LITERAL SHEOL more accurately, that Christ was never Dead in the flesh, and that He never BOUND UP THE STRONG MAN, so that HE The Holy Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9,10,11,12,13,14,15) would have to do that over again, as if He never accomplished it.
that is, to bring the Messiah up from the dead. 8 What, then, does it say?

“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart.”

Here, Paul is specifying that Jesus is In Heaven at the right hand of THE FATHER, while Christ's Holy Spirit has been dispatched into our VERY HEARTS.

Proof Verse.

Matthew 27:50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.​

51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
First order logic: The Father (Spirit) of God is IN HEAVEN. The Son (Body/Presence/Face/Image) is in the Tomb. So... WHO Ripped that Curtain? Who BROKE those Souls free from the Strong Man? After Jesus' literal Resurrection Evidence was given to verify that Believers would never be left to ROT in the GRAVE, EVER AGAIN. We have PASSED from Death to Life and will not be JUDGED.

Final Proof:


Ephesians 4:8 For it says: When He ascended on high, He took prisoners into captivity; He gave gifts to people.
He didn't go back Alone!
Psalm 68:8 You ascended on high, leading a host of captives in your train and receiving gifts among men, even among the rebellious, that the Lord God may dwell there.
Luke 23:43 Yeshua said to him, “Yes! I promise that you will be with me today in Gan-‘Eden.”
 
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Acts 2:27 because You will not leave me in Hades or allow Your Holy One to see decay. 28 You have revealed the paths of life to me;
You will fill me with gladness in Your presence.
29 “Brothers, I can confidently speak to you about the patriarch David: He is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn an oath to him to seat one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing this in advance, he spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah:

He was not left in Hades,
and His flesh did not experience decay.
 
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