• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Deceased Muslims

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
RileyG

RileyG

Veteran
Christian Forums Staff
Moderator Trainee
Hands-on Trainee
Angels Team
Site Supporter
Feb 10, 2013
36,058
20,728
29
Nebraska
✟764,355.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Republican
Is it ok to pray for deceased Muslims and those who died without the Sacrament of Baptism?

The Iranian President just died. Can I pray for the repose of his soul or is that anathema?

Thank you

RileyG
 
  • Prayers
Reactions: AlexB23 and Michie
RileyG

RileyG

Veteran
Christian Forums Staff
Moderator Trainee
Hands-on Trainee
Angels Team
Site Supporter
Feb 10, 2013
36,058
20,728
29
Nebraska
✟764,355.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Republican
Upvote 0
joymercy

joymercy

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Feb 26, 2017
2,315
2,432
Study
✟439,881.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Widowed
Offering our sufferings on behalf of another, united to our Lord’s on the cross, follows his example of sacrificial love.

His response to such offerings is to shed his divine mercy and salvific grace upon that person, though such mercy and grace still must be accepted by the penitent soul to achieve salvation.

Cristo_crucificado.jpg
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RileyG
Upvote 0
joymercy

joymercy

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Feb 26, 2017
2,315
2,432
Study
✟439,881.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Widowed
God has asked us to offer prayers and sacrifices for others so that we might participate in their salvation won by our Lord on the cross. While he loves us so much that he allows us to reject him, he clearly prefers that none of his children be lost. He is not bound by the limits of time, and the Immaculate Conception demonstrates that he can apply future salvific merit to souls in the past. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that He would apply our future offerings for others made after they died to have helped them die with the grace of salvation.

Taken from Catholic Answers

Salvific Offerings for the Dead
 
  • Like
Reactions: RileyG
Upvote 0
Lukaris

Lukaris

Orthodox Christian
Site Supporter
Aug 3, 2007
8,868
3,214
Pennsylvania, USA
✟951,888.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single
I believe Matthew 22:31-40 is instructive. The Lord is preaching about the resurrection, declaring God is of the living ( so even the earthly departed must live), & concludes with the 2 great commandments. I can’t see how our Lord’s Prayer ( Matthew 6:9-13) does not apply also in part here.
 
  • Like
  • Friendly
Reactions: RileyG and joymercy
Upvote 0
Bob Crowley

Bob Crowley

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 27, 2015
3,888
2,426
71
Logan City
✟970,888.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
We can pray for him but he will still have to answer for his actions (like the rest of us).


"He was a hard working president. His legacy will endure as long as we are alive," said Mohammad Hossein Zarrabi, 28, a member of the volunteer Basij religious militia in the holy Shi'ite city of Qom.

But other Iranians showed little sorrow.

"Who cares. One hardliner dies, another takes over and our misery continues," said Reza, 47, a shopkeeper in the central desert city of Yazd who did not give his full name, fearing reprisals. "We're too busy with economic and social issues to worry about such news."
Click to expand...

I think Christ's sympathies are with the "least of these my brothers". The world might think differently and admire those in power, but God's standards are not our standards.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RileyG
Upvote 0
Bob Crowley

Bob Crowley

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 27, 2015
3,888
2,426
71
Logan City
✟970,888.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
I've been reading Thomas Merton's "New Seeds of Contemplation" and this passage came to mind. I came across it a few days ago.

This post reminded me of it.

(from Chapter 20 - Tradition and Revolution") ...

"A revolution is supposed to be a change that turns everything completely around. But the ideology of political revoution will never change anything except appearances. There will be violence, and power will pass from one party to another, but when the smoke clears and the bodies of all the dead men (and women and children) are underground, the situation will be essentially the same as it was before: there will be a minority of strong men in power exploiting all the others for their own ends. There will be the same greed and cruelty and lust and ambition and avarice and hypocricy as before.

For the revolutions of men change nothing. The only influence that can really upset the injustice and iniquity of men is the power that breathes in Christian tradition, renewing ouir participation in the Life that is the Light of men."
 
Upvote 0
AlexB23

AlexB23

Christian
CF Ambassadors
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2023
11,387
7,705
25
WI
✟644,798.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
RileyG said:
Is it ok to pray for deceased Muslims and those who died without the Sacrament of Baptism?

The Iranian President just died. Can I pray for the repose of his soul or is that anathema?

Thank you

RileyG
Click to expand...
Yes, as a Christian, it is absolutely appropriate and good to pray for deceased Muslims and all people who have died without receiving the sacrament of baptism. While the Bible does not explicitly mention praying for specific groups such as Muslims (as the Muslim religion did not exist until the 7th century), there are clear teachings on love, compassion, and prayer for all people.
  1. Love your neighbor (Mark 12:30-31): Jesus teaches us to "love your neighbor as yourself." There is no limitation or condition in this commandment that excludes Muslims or any other group from being our neighbors. Prayer is an essential expression of love.
  2. Pray for all people (1 Timothy 2:1-4): The apostle Paul instructs Timothy to encourage prayers "for all people," including "kings and all those in authority" so "that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness." This passage encourages Christians to include everyone—regardless of their faith background—in their prayers.
  3. God desires all to be saved (2 Peter 3:9; 1 Timothy 2:4): Both 2 Peter 3:9 and 1 Timothy 2:4 state that God wants everyone to come to repentance and be saved. Therefore, praying for Muslims and others who have not accepted Christ aligns with God's desire for them.
While baptism is an important step in the Christian life, it does not necessarily determine one's eternal destiny. In Luke 23:42-43, a criminal dying next to Jesus asked for forgiveness and received assurance of paradise by acknowledging Jesus as Lord. It shows that salvation comes through faith in Jesus regardless of whether someone has been baptized. Thus, praying for deceased Muslims and anyone else outside the Church becomes even more crucial, asking for God's mercy upon them and seeking opportunities for living believers to share the Gospel message with them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RileyG
Upvote 0
chevyontheriver

chevyontheriver

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Sep 29, 2015
22,795
19,801
Flyoverland
✟1,366,683.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-American-Solidarity
RileyG said:
Is it ok to pray for deceased Muslims and those who died without the Sacrament of Baptism?

The Iranian President just died. Can I pray for the repose of his soul or is that anathema?

Thank you

RileyG
Click to expand...
It is appropriate to pray for anybody. Now maybe his soul is going to be unredeemed, but the prayer will nonetheless find a place somewhere in God's economy of salvation.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: RileyG and Michie
Upvote 0
RileyG

RileyG

Veteran
Christian Forums Staff
Moderator Trainee
Hands-on Trainee
Angels Team
Site Supporter
Feb 10, 2013
36,058
20,728
29
Nebraska
✟764,355.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Republican
chevyontheriver said:
It is appropriate to pray for anybody. Now maybe his soul is going to be unredeemed, but the prayer will nonetheless find a place somewhere in God's economy of salvation.
Click to expand...
Thank you. I did offer prayers for Osama Bin Laden on the day he died, but I doubt he even made it up purgatory.
 
  • Like
Reactions: chevyontheriver
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

RileyG
For HK
Replies
2
Views
250
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
Michie
Michie
Gnarwhal
Please pray for Sean, I don't have the latest but...
Replies
13
Views
583
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
joymercy
joymercy
Michie
Pope urges immediate ceasefire after deadly attack on Catholic parish in Gaza
Replies
3
Views
225
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
The Liturgist
The Liturgist
RileyG
Little girl died
Replies
1
Views
207
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
Michie
Michie
Michie
Latin Patriarchate confirms Holy Family Church in Gaza hit, damage and deaths reported
Replies
1
Views
176
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
RileyG
RileyG
Top Bottom
Jump to latest Follow Reply
Jump to latest Follow Reply