Synod boss Cardinal Hollerich claims infallible Church teaching “can be changed” but it has to be done “one step at a time”...

Michie · May 19, 2024

The relator-general of the global synod on synodality, Cardinal Jean Claude Hollerich, backed this week the incremental and “tactful” progress towards the ordination of women to the priesthood.

The cardinal, who is also Archbishop of Luxembourg, was appointed by Pope Francis to oversee the collection and synthesis of discussion and responses during the multi-year synodal process, due to reconvene in Rome in October.

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Cardinal Hollerich and synodal inevitability

If the synod's relator-general says doctrine can change, then what comes next is inevitable

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Michie · May 19, 2024

So long as Hollerich remains in post, many of the same Catholics will struggle to believe anyone, even and perhaps especially Pope Francis, when they say this isn’t what the synod is, or is meant to achieve.

And, with all sides now clear on how the relator-general sees the synod, delegates can be reasonably expected to behave accordingly when the synodal assembly reconvenes in October.

The discussion will likely be bitter. It will likely be divisive. It will likely spread confusion throughout the Church and likely do harm to the good of souls in the process.

It will not be the synod Pope Francis has said he wanted, but given he has entrusted the process to a cardinal who believes the Church can, should, and eventually will attempt the sacramentally impossible, it’s probably also the synod he was inevitably going to get.

chevyontheriver · May 19, 2024

Michie said:
So long as Hollerich remains in post, many of the same Catholics will struggle to believe anyone, even and perhaps especially Pope Francis, when they say this isn’t what the synod is, or is meant to achieve.

And, with all sides now clear on how the relator-general sees the synod, delegates can be reasonably expected to behave accordingly when the synodal assembly reconvenes in October.

The discussion will likely be bitter. It will likely be divisive. It will likely spread confusion throughout the Church and likely do harm to the good of souls in the process.

It will not be the synod Pope Francis has said he wanted, but given he has entrusted the process to a cardinal who believes the Church can, should, and eventually will attempt the sacramentally impossible, it’s probably also the synod he was inevitably going to get.

Personnel IS policy and pope Francis keeps Hollerich in place by his own choice.

Cosmic Charlie · May 20, 2024

Michie said:
The relator-general of the global synod on synodality,

The relator-general of the global synod on synodality.

That's weird. A synod on how to do a synod ?

Is this like a meta-synod ?

Michie · May 20, 2024

Cardinal Hollerich urges caution, dialogue on women’s ordination

The cardinal said the prohibition against ordaining women was “not an infallible doctrinal decision” and could be changed over time with arguments.

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chevyontheriver · May 20, 2024

Cosmic Charlie said:
The relator-general of the global synod on synodality.

That's weird. A synod on how to do a synod ?

Or how to be a synodal people?

Cosmic Charlie said:
Is this like a meta-synod ?

What's a meta-synod anyway?

It's all to rich in jargon for me.

RileyG · May 20, 2024

Infallible teaching does not change. Such as Christ being fully human and fully divine does not change.

Doctrine can change- over time.

Dogma does not.

chevyontheriver · May 21, 2024

RileyG said:
Infallible teaching does not change. Such as Christ being fully human and fully divine does not change.

Doctrine can change- over time.

Dogma does not.

You and cardinal Hollerich disagree. And you are NOT a cardinal!

But you are right that infallible teaching does not change.

I never would have believed cardinals vs cardinals before this pope came along. Heartbreaking what some of them say.

zippy2006 · May 24, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
You and cardinal Hollerich disagree. And you are NOT a cardinal!

But you are right that infallible teaching does not change.

I never would have believed cardinals vs cardinals before this pope came along. Heartbreaking what some of them say.

Hollerich is claiming that it is not infallible. Title is inaccurate.

chevyontheriver · May 24, 2024

zippy2006 said:
Hollerich is claiming that it is not infallible. Title is inaccurate.

Bully for him. He is a pope Francis cardinal and personnel IS policy

"But if Hollerich is allowed to continue uncorrected in his role, many might question the integrity of the entire synodal process — and even the pope’s sincerity about his intentions for it."

I'm questioning the integrity of the synodal process I guess. And the sincerity of the pope.

zippy2006 · May 24, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
I'm questioning the integrity of the synodal process I guess. And the sincerity of the pope.

Democratization run amok.

fide · May 24, 2024

zippy2006 said:
Democratization run amok.

Democrat words and structures weaponized to bring the chaos that welcomes dictatorship?

chevyontheriver · May 24, 2024

zippy2006 said:
Democratization run amok.

Something run amok.

Wolseley · Jun 8, 2024

St. Anthony of the Desert, you who fled the madness of the world, and sought the solitude of the wilderness in order to devote yourself entirely to Christ alone: as we navigate through the increasing madness of our century, and we view the spiritual destruction wrought upon us by those who should be shepherding and protecting our immortal souls, we beseech you, through Our Lady the Blessed Virgin Mary, all the angels of God, and all the holy saints throughout the ages, pray for us.

chevyontheriver · Jun 8, 2024

Wolseley said:
St. Anthony of the Desert, you who fled the madness of the world, and sought the solitude of the wilderness in order to devote yourself entirely to Christ alone: as we navigate through the increasing madness of our century, and we view the spiritual destruction wrought upon us by those who should be shepherding and protecting our immortal souls, we beseech you, through Our Lady the Blessed Virgin Mary, all the angels of God, and all the holy saints throughout the ages, pray for us.

St. Anthony of the Desert, along with St. Athanasius his biographer and upholder of orthodoxy, are heros of the first rank. We are blessed to be able to seek their intercession and follow the life they modeled. They are more relevant now than they ever have been. Ora pro nobis.

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