Supreme Court exposes Biden’s selective prosecution of political opponents

Valletta · Apr 22, 2024

“Would a sit-in that disrupts a trial or access to a federal courthouse qualify [as illegal obstruction]?” Gorsuch asked Biden’s solicitor general, Elizabeth Prelogar. “Would a heckler at today’s audience qualify or a heckler at the State of the Union address? Would pulling a fire alarm before a vote qualify for 20 years in federal prison?”
Progressive Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) used the fire alarm stunt before a key spending vote last Sept. 30 and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge carrying negligible penalties, but he bragged about not being charged for obstructing House proceedings even though that’s what he had obviously done when the alarm forced an evacuation.

Supreme Court exposes Biden’s selective prosecution of political opponents - Washington Examiner

In oral argument on a Capitol riot case, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Sam Alito exposed the Biden administration's double standards in prosecuting protesters

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Bowman BRAGGED about not being charged. The double standard is clear, and the violations of our Constitution need to stop.

Laodicean60 · Apr 22, 2024

I'm thankful our style of government still has checks and balances. That "illegal obstruction" is too broad.

"More than 300, of nearly 1,400 total, other Jan. 6 defendants also have been charged with violating 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c). The two justices were puzzled by inconsistencies with which President Joe Biden’s appointees apply the law and with the wide scope they claim for it against disfavored defendants. Contrarily, when people on the Left, even including members of Congress, disrupt government proceedings, including by use of force, Biden and his officials look the other way."

Fantine · Apr 22, 2024

Most of the hundreds of people convicted had many other more serious charges as well.

The plaintiff in the trial had been convicted of 8 other January 6 charges.

This decision was meaningless for most of the criminal insurrectionists.

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 22, 2024

Yeah let’s compare a grade school level prank of an offense to a mob of hundreds of people violently trying to stop Congress from certifying an election. These should totally be treated the same. I can’t believe this is coming from a Justice of the Supreme Court.

essentialsaltes · Apr 22, 2024

SCOTUS Justice asks pointed question. [Right Wing] News at 11.

DaisyDay · Apr 22, 2024

Valletta said:
“Would a sit-in that disrupts a trial or access to a federal courthouse qualify [as illegal obstruction]?” Gorsuch asked Biden’s solicitor general, Elizabeth Prelogar. “Would a heckler at today’s audience qualify or a heckler at the State of the Union address? Would pulling a fire alarm before a vote qualify for 20 years in federal prison?”
Progressive Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) used the fire alarm stunt before a key spending vote last Sept. 30 and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge carrying negligible penalties, but he bragged about not being charged for obstructing House proceedings even though that’s what he had obviously done when the alarm forced an evacuation.

Supreme Court exposes Biden’s selective prosecution of political opponents - Washington Examiner

In oral argument on a Capitol riot case, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Sam Alito exposed the Biden administration's double standards in prosecuting protesters

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Bowman BRAGGED about not being charged. The double standard is clear, and the violations of our Constitution need to stop.

Lols, do you really think that had Mr. Trump pulled a fire alarm that he would be charged?

I think that trying to delay the proceedings by causing a riot in the Capitol which did, in fact, delay said proceedings, until enough senators could be persuaded to put up the "alternate slate" of electors, a sufficiency of whom were not persuaded, is different in intent than trying to go through an alarmed door to get to work.

Valletta · Apr 22, 2024

DaisyDay said:
Lols, do you really think that had Mr. Trump pulled a fire alarm that he would be charged?

I think that trying to delay the proceedings by causing a riot in the Capitol which did, in fact, delay said proceedings, until enough senators could be persuaded to put up the "alternate slate" of electors, a sufficiency of whom were not persuaded, is different in intent than trying to go through an alarmed door to get to work.

"To get to work," that's a good one. And Trump wasn't at the Capitol.

rambot · Apr 22, 2024

It's crazy to me what people consider to be "comparable situations".

Fantine · Apr 22, 2024

Valletta said:
"To get to work," that's a good one. And Trump wasn't at the Capitol.

The Secret Service--or his self-serving cowardice--kept him glued to the TV in the hospitality tent.

DaisyDay · Apr 22, 2024

Valletta said:
"To get to work," that's a good one.

Wasn't he trying to get to the floor to vote? That's what he does for work.

Valletta said:
And Trump wasn't at the Capitol.

Yeah, the Secret Service didn't allow him to be there even though he wanted to. He did watch what he instigated go down and even tweeted in the midst of it that "Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.”

KCfromNC · Apr 23, 2024

rambot said:
It's crazy to me what people consider to be "comparable situations".

They're doing the best they can, given how outside the norm right wing thought has devolved to.

The Barbarian · May 9, 2024

Valletta said:
"To get to work," that's a good one. And Trump wasn't at the Capitol.

He promised the suckers that "I'll be there with you." He wasn't, of course. Bravery isn't his thing.

"After this, we're going to walk down — and I'll be there with you — we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down — anyone you want, but I think right here — we're going to walk down to the Capitol..."

Fact Check: Here's What Trump Told Supporters the Morning of the Jan. 6 Capitol Attack

On the attack's third anniversary, here's a look at the former president's speech to supporters in the moments they breached Capitol security.

www.yahoo.com

SimplyMe · May 10, 2024

Valletta said:
“Would a sit-in that disrupts a trial or access to a federal courthouse qualify [as illegal obstruction]?” Gorsuch asked Biden’s solicitor general, Elizabeth Prelogar. “Would a heckler at today’s audience qualify or a heckler at the State of the Union address? Would pulling a fire alarm before a vote qualify for 20 years in federal prison?”
Progressive Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) used the fire alarm stunt before a key spending vote last Sept. 30 and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge carrying negligible penalties, but he bragged about not being charged for obstructing House proceedings even though that’s what he had obviously done when the alarm forced an evacuation.

Supreme Court exposes Biden’s selective prosecution of political opponents - Washington Examiner

In oral argument on a Capitol riot case, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Sam Alito exposed the Biden administration's double standards in prosecuting protesters

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Bowman BRAGGED about not being charged. The double standard is clear, and the violations of our Constitution need to stop.

Why would Bowman be charged with obstructing House proceedings when he didn't obstruct House proceedings? Bowman went through a door in, from what I recall, the House Office building, to get to the Capitol to vote; the alarm was not in the Capitol building and did not delay the voting.

Valletta · May 10, 2024

SimplyMe said:
Why would Bowman be charged with obstructing House proceedings when he didn't obstruct House proceedings? Bowman went through a door in, from what I recall, the House Office building, to get to the Capitol to vote; the alarm was not in the Capitol building and did not delay the voting.

I've seen the video, I think this opinion article in the Washington Post summed up the key facts:

Just as congressional Democrats were maneuvering to delay a vote on a last-minute spending bill midday on Sept. 30, a fire alarm rang out in the Cannon House Office Building. The building was evacuated, and Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) later owned up to it: “I am embarrassed to admit that I activated the fire alarm, mistakenly thinking it would open the door,” he said in a statement. He emphasized that he was not, “in any way, trying to delay any vote.”
Last week, however, Bowman pleaded guilty to “willfully or knowingly” raising a false fire alarm, a misdemeanor. Security footage casts doubt on Bowman’s claim that the alarm was accidental. It showed him pushing a pair of exit doors, then pulling a fire alarm on the wall next to them. Bowman then “walked away from those doors without looking back at them or trying to push them open,” as the police report put it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/01/jamaal-bowman-fire-alarm-legal-complication/

Since he didn't try the doors after he pushed the alarm, to me the most likely conclusion is that he was looking for a quick getaway. As a former school principal of a middle school in the Bronx I believe he had enough knowledge of the purpose of a fire alarm and that pulling it without a fire was a serious crime. But my opinion is moot because Bowman plead guilty.

The Barbarian · May 10, 2024

Valletta said:
Since he didn't try the doors after he pushed the alarm, to me the most likely conclusion is that he was looking for a quick getaway.

Despicable. If he wanted to delay a vote in Congress, he should have done it the MAGA way, and stirred up a mob to attack the building, the way Trump did.

SimplyMe · May 10, 2024

Valletta said:
I've seen the video, I think this opinion article in the Washington Post summed up the key facts:

Just as congressional Democrats were maneuvering to delay a vote on a last-minute spending bill midday on Sept. 30, a fire alarm rang out in the Cannon House Office Building. The building was evacuated, and Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) later owned up to it: “I am embarrassed to admit that I activated the fire alarm, mistakenly thinking it would open the door,” he said in a statement. He emphasized that he was not, “in any way, trying to delay any vote.”
Last week, however, Bowman pleaded guilty to “willfully or knowingly” raising a false fire alarm, a misdemeanor. Security footage casts doubt on Bowman’s claim that the alarm was accidental. It showed him pushing a pair of exit doors, then pulling a fire alarm on the wall next to them. Bowman then “walked away from those doors without looking back at them or trying to push them open,” as the police report put it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/01/jamaal-bowman-fire-alarm-legal-complication/

Since he didn't try the doors after he pushed the alarm, to me the most likely conclusion is that he was looking for a quick getaway. As a former school principal of a middle school in the Bronx I believe he had enough knowledge of the purpose of a fire alarm and that pulling it without a fire was a serious crime. But my opinion is moot because Bowman plead guilty.

Except that is not a major crime, it is a misdemeanor in Washington, D.C. Additionally, Bowman was charged and pled guilty, paying the maximum fine of $1000.

So not only is there the false equivalence, since Bowman did not delay a House preceding so was not guilty of obstruction, there is also the fact that the law was "equal" in that Bowman was properly charged and convicted.

DaisyDay · May 10, 2024

The Barbarian said:
He promised the suckers that "I'll be there with you." He wasn't, of course. Bravery isn't his thing.

"After this, we're going to walk down — and I'll be there with you — we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down — anyone you want, but I think right here — we're going to walk down to the Capitol..."

Fact Check: Here's What Trump Told Supporters the Morning of the Jan. 6 Capitol Attack

On the attack's third anniversary, here's a look at the former president's speech to supporters in the moments they breached Capitol security.

www.yahoo.com

That's not quite fair - while it's true that DJT is not the sort to walk on down, he did try to get chauffeured on down. I wonder what would've happened had the SS not intervened.

Valletta · May 10, 2024

SimplyMe said:
Except that is not a major crime, it is a misdemeanor in Washington, D.C. Additionally, Bowman was charged and pled guilty, paying the maximum fine of $1000.

So not only is there the false equivalence, since Bowman did not delay a House preceding so was not guilty of obstruction, there is also the fact that the law was "equal" in that Bowman was properly charged and convicted.

Why don't they just be creative like they were with Trump and make it a felony?

The Barbarian · May 10, 2024

Valletta said:
Why don't they just be creative like they were with Trump and make it a felony?

Probably because there's no way to show that he used campaign money to do it as way to be elected.

SimplyMe · May 10, 2024

Valletta said:
Why don't they just be creative like they were with Trump and make it a felony?

Likely because Bowman admitted to his guilt and didn't try to contest the charges. As a prime example, if Trump had been willing to turn over all his documents to NARA, there would have been no charges (just like Pence). If he had been willing to turn his documents over to the DoJ, before they felt they needed to get a search warrant, again, I doubt there would have been charges. Even after the search warrant and the DoJ indicted Trump, I'm sure he could have settled for lesser charges if he'd admitted guilt and turned over the remainder of documents that he had (if he had any left to turn over).

It tends to be how our justice system works; if you are willing to admit the fault, you get a lesser charge and lesser sentence. If you don't, the prosecutor tends to charge you with the most serious charges possible and push for the maximum sentence if convicted.

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