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And therein lies the problem. And people say the slippery slope doesn't exist. Well it's pretty obvious it does. And the conservatives have up until now done a very poor job of dealing with it.

So poor that they wind up adopting most of those ideals themselves, to at least some degree.

Of the examples I listed ("rights for the governed, then abolition, then women’s right to vote, then progressively more rights for women and minorities, then rights for gays"), which do you think conservatives should have pushed harder against?

Feelings and emotions have taken the place of rationality and reality.
It's clearly been the folks fighting against the expansion of rights who've been acting on their "feelings and emotions." Once folks see these expanded rights in action and realize that they're not some harbinger of the apocalypse, they calm down.
 
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That’s a big part of why Christian Conservatism is on the wane. The majority of people just don’t believe any more. The egalitarian nature of information is near complete in western countries and this has be true ever since the advent of the printed word.

More information means fewer Christians and since American conservatism got into bed with Christianity more information also means fewer Conservatives.
This is to be expected. As Jesus said men love darkness rather than light. What I want or what I feel or desire is paramount.

That flies in the face of Christianity and what Jesus taught. He taught that what HE wants and what HE commands is the only thing that is important. Problem is what I want more often than not is in direct opposition to what He wants. And that is why narrow is the way.

Emotions, desires feelings is what matters to the left these days. Rational thought and reality takes a back seat to what I feel.

I don't think the conservative/Christianity tie as much of anything to do with anything.

The progressives and the left have an easy pathway to the human heart which is inherently selfish and bent in emotions. The list of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life. True Conservatism often deals with responsibility and self control, law and order and justice.

However the Republican party despite its claims has NOT been a staunch holder or those things. They have no self control, and while they talk a good game they do not hold people accountable or responsible. They are and can be fooled.

I do not want to turn this into a Trump thread. So I will NOT respond to anything about Trump. I just want to point out that Trump is an example of what I'm talking about about. Conservatives being fooles by rhetoric from someone they are not willing to hold accountable for the foolish things he has done. Yet he will be the candidate.

So, there is a difference between conservatives and the Republican party. I just wanted to clarify the differences. The issue is even the though the Republican party is not really conservative anymore, they are much closer to that than the Democrats are.
 
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Maybe....or maybe not. Its really up to us in how we vote and take our stand in this coming General Election. We can win and we can restore our country. But if we lose our country is forever changed. So we need to act at this point.
The part about losing is that it's not a zero chance, that's what scares me, that scares me almost more than nuclear, biological, or chemical war. I also know about the Bible saying God is always in control, but it is still the most scary, humiliating, saddening prospect in the world.
 
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I Disagree, conservative MAGA Donald J. Trump is leading Biden in all the polls, Trump has increased his percentages over the 2020 election in all minority categories, even picking up percentage points amongst voters under 35

Conservatism covers a broad base in America, and it's not confined to Christianity

Example: (Muslims) oppose abortion and homosexuality, and the majority are voting conservatives Trump 2024, same applies to many that are outside religious circles
All of it is generally true but I would still bet a majority of conservatives especially (if we are or are not including more libertarian ones) are at least implicitly Christian.
 
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I will not argue with you. What you are saying here is true. We live in the prophet paradigm of the Great Falling Away. However, this new radical atheist movement is entirely based on lies and manipulating. A time is coming when people will realize what they have lost in their Christian roots and what they need in their lives. They will see the lies of their parents and rebel against them. Sometimes rebellion takes a different point of view and can be a justifed rebellion. I speak as a former rebel and former Satanist in my much younger years in which I'm happy to say are years far removed from my present. There is no way this woke agenda is gonna last. No way. It will collapse on its own folly. A fool's reward.
I will argue that while we are in a falling away from belief, the major negative events over the course of the 20th century and maybe a few things in the century before that just exacerbated what was already gradually happening.
And I will say that atheists in themselves are not ill-intended people, if you were making that implication. It's the radicals that are that, sure I can go with that.
 
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This is to be expected. As Jesus said men love darkness rather than light. What I want or what I feel or desire is paramount.

That flies in the face of Christianity and what Jesus taught. He taught that what HE wants and what HE commands is the only thing that is important. Problem is what I want more often than not is in direct opposition to what He wants. And that is why narrow is the way.

Emotions, desires feelings is what matters to the left these days. Rational thought and reality takes a back seat to what I feel.

I don't think the conservative/Christianity tie as much of anything to do with anything.

The progressives and the left have an easy pathway to the human heart which is inherently selfish and bent in emotions. The list of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life. True Conservatism often deals with responsibility and self control, law and order and justice.

However the Republican party despite its claims has NOT been a staunch holder or those things. They have no self control, and while they talk a good game they do not hold people accountable or responsible. They are and can be fooled.

I do not want to turn this into a Trump thread. So I will NOT respond to anything about Trump. I just want to point out that Trump is an example of what I'm talking about about. Conservatives being fooles by rhetoric from someone they are not willing to hold accountable for the foolish things he has done. Yet he will be the candidate.

So, there is a difference between conservatives and the Republican party. I just wanted to clarify the differences. The issue is even the though the Republican party is not really conservative anymore, they are much closer to that than the Democrats are.
So much for our neutral free will. We might as well say we have "self will".
 
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I will argue that while we are in a falling away from belief, the major negative events over the course of the 20th century and maybe a few things in the century before that just exacerbated what was already gradually happening.
And I will say that atheists in themselves are not ill-intended people, if you were making that implication. It's the radicals that are that, sure I can go with that.
Planet progressive is something that goes far beyond America. Western society in general is plague with the maddening wine of planet progressive. The insanity we are witnessing here in America today was a first happening in Europe before we noticed it here in America. I'm talking about our current crisis. Prior to our current crisis, back in the last century, Europeans on average seem to have a higher morale then your average American. But something cracked in Europe first before crazy came to America. Antifa, for example, came here as an ideology from Europe. Antifa was originally a german group of people who did oppose the Nazis but later joined with them when they found themselves on the losing side to the brown shirts. So we cannot attribute our current crisis to anything in the 20th century or before since nobody behaved this way back in 1999. Yes, the seeds of this corruption were sown long ago, before the founding of America, before the British established rule here. The seeds of our current crisis were well established in the Garden of Eden. We need to accept this reality. For what we see happening today is nothing short of the most extreme form of Satanism that has ever placed a shadow over the earth. It is not fair to point fingers at our founders as they did the best they could to establish a free society. The 2nd Amendment is a sign of our founders genuine intentions to secure the country from future tyranny. So they did their best. It wasn't perfect but its the best they could all agree on. What we see today is something that has taken off like a jet since about 2005 and has escalated into one big Satanic revolution in our country. And I warn everyone that this escalation is forcing the country into another civil war. The left will not stop and do not care about legal process anymore. They want to force us to stop being who we are and to conform to their ways, or else! With no ability to compromise or hold civil conversation we are being quickly faced into the civil war dilemma. Time is running out for this county and if we cannot beat this present darkness legally we will have no other choice but to fight them in a civil war. This is the reality we are faced with and one people really need to consider. This is not a situation we can talk our way out of either. The left does not care. They hate us with a hatred that goes back to the Garden of Eden. I have seen this hate and there is no hate greater than the hate I've seen. You cannot negotiate with them They want our end.
 
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The part about losing is that it's not a zero chance, that's what scares me, that scares me almost more than nuclear, biological, or chemical war. I also know about the Bible saying God is always in control, but it is still the most scary, humiliating, saddening prospect in the world.
I'm with you 100%. We live in hard times for sure. Our options are limited and becoming more limited each year. We do have one shot at restoring this country and that's if the nation votes Trump and Trump backed Republicans in 2024. Donald Trump is the only politician who cannot be bought off. That is why he is hated so much by the left. They cannot buy Trump's loyalty. Trump, like him or not, is loyal to this country and serves the people over insane ideas that benefit nobody. We Americans need to vote responsibly because we have this one election left to get it right. If we lose in 2014 we lose the country and our way of life for good. We will become subjects in a nightmare world that no American has ever experienced. Not even the British would have ever treated an American as harshly as the left will treat us. Case and point, this witchhunt on Trump and the Jan.6 protestors will never end. It doesn't matter even if Nikki Haley were President. They have already bought her. And even if she did try to do the right thing she'd quickly be silenced with no way to fight back. She is no billionaire and it takes great wealth and power to fight off the leftist assault on our country. No millionaire or thousandaire President is going to survive the leftist assault. It takes the Bruce Wayne type to fight off the goons of Gothan. But we can still win and win without a civil war. But that window of opportunity is short as Election Day is this year. God is still in control and will always be. But we are responsible for how we vote. God does not vote for us.
 
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That's more-or-less the same line given every time the left tries to push for expanded rights for some group. And in ~10 years, what is now considered "too far" will be considered acceptable and there will be a new threshold for "too far."
Yeah it seems like the left expands the wall of insanity every year. Consider homosexuals. Back in 2015 they were hip...the in thing. Today they are out of style and replaced with trans this and trans that. Tomorrow the new fad for kids will be trans-species or something even more insane then that. Evil gets worse every year.
 
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Not yet. We've been hearing that for years.
True. I'd like to know, from someone who thinks this is all dandy (probably not you), what is the end result, and / or the way out of the madness of federal spending. The uniparty cannot agree on a 1 percent spending cut .

1 percent...
 
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I tried reading this wall of text a few times and I'm not sure what it is, but let me try a response.
Planet progressive is something that goes far beyond America. Western society in general is plague with the maddening wine of planet progressive.
Was this supposed to make sense or not? I can't tell.
The insanity we are witnessing here in America today was a first happening in Europe before we noticed it here in America. I'm talking about our current crisis.
Which crisis is this?
Prior to our current crisis, back in the last century, Europeans on average seem to have a higher morale then your average American. But something cracked in Europe first before crazy came to America.
Not sure what morale has to do with things, but then again, I don't know what the crisis is (and I have read ahead).
Antifa, for example, came here as an ideology from Europe. Antifa was originally a german group of people who did oppose the Nazis but later joined with them when they found themselves on the losing side to the brown shirts.
orignal antifa joined up with the fa? [citation needed]
So we cannot attribute our current crisis to anything in the 20th century or before since nobody behaved this way back in 1999.
The current crisis (what ever that is) is native to this century, OK then.
Yes, the seeds of this corruption were sown long ago, before the founding of America, before the British established rule here.
So 400 years before this millennium then?
The seeds of our current crisis were well established in the Garden of Eden. We need to accept this reality.
I find nothing real about the garden of eden.
For what we see happening today is nothing short of the most extreme form of Satanism that has ever placed a shadow over the earth.
Most Satanism these days is actually just a troll "religion". You don't need to fall for their bait.
It is not fair to point fingers at our founders as they did the best they could to establish a free society.
Umm, 'kay.
The 2nd Amendment is a sign of our founders genuine intentions to secure the country from future tyranny.
From Insurrection, Invasion, and Indians.
So they did their best. It wasn't perfect but its the best they could all agree on. What we see today is something that has taken off like a jet since about 2005 and has escalated into one big Satanic revolution in our country. And I warn everyone that this escalation is forcing the country into another civil war.
The Satanists are trying to start a civil war? (Is the south getting squirlly again?)
The left will not stop and do not care about legal process anymore.
Have the courts been eliminated and no one told me? (How was it the biggest news today came from a court, then?)
They want to force us to stop being who we are and to conform to their ways, or else!
Who are you?
With no ability to compromise or hold civil conversation we are being quickly faced into the civil war dilemma.
The key to good conversation is comprehensibility. You've got some work to do there, pal, I still can't figure out what this post is about.
Time is running out for this county and if we cannot beat this present darkness legally we will have no other choice but to fight them in a civil war.
Just wait 'til morning, the darkness will go away. No legal process is needed, the Earth rotates on its own due to the conservation of angular momentum.
This is the reality we are faced with and one people really need to consider.
So far reality has not been faced in your post. It is all a string of apparent fantasies.
This is not a situation we can talk our way out of either. The left does not care. They hate us with a hatred that goes back to the Garden of Eden.
The "left" is the in garden of eden story? Never heard that before.
I have seen this hate and there is no hate greater than the hate I've seen. You cannot negotiate with them They want our end.
Violence and annihilation fantasies too? Have you considered getting help? Therapy?
 
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I tried reading this wall of text a few times and I'm not sure what it is, but let me try a response.

Was this supposed to make sense or not? I can't tell.

Which crisis is this?

Not sure what morale has to do with things, but then again, I don't know what the crisis is (and I have read ahead).

orignal antifa joined up with the fa? [citation needed]

The current crisis (what ever that is) is native to this century, OK then.

So 400 years before this millennium then?

I find nothing real about the garden of eden.

Most Satanism these days is actually just a troll "religion". You don't need to fall for their bait.

Umm, 'kay.

From Insurrection, Invasion, and Indians.

The Satanists are trying to start a civil war? (Is the south getting squirlly again?)

Have the courts been eliminated and no one told me? (How was it the biggest news today came from a court, then?)

Who are you?

The key to good conversation is comprehensibility. You've got some work to do there, pal, I still can't figure out what this post is about.

Just wait 'til morning, the darkness will go away. No legal process is needed, the Earth rotates on its own due to the conservation of angular momentum.

So far reality has not been faced in your post. It is all a string of apparent fantasies.

The "left" is the in garden of eden story? Never heard that before.

Violence and annihilation fantasies too? Have you considered getting help? Therapy?
Obviously you take sides with planet progressive. You must be a very very wealthy man not to notice all the suffering and financial diapair happening in this country. Planet progressive is also the most anti-Christ movement that has ever hit the modern world. But I'm sure you haven't noticed that either. Must be nice to have such abundant wealth not to notice anything happening around you.
 
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Obviously you take sides with planet progressive. You must be a very very wealthy man not to notice all the suffering and financial diapair happening in this country. Planet progressive is also the most anti-Christ movement that has ever hit the modern world. But I'm sure you haven't noticed that either. Must be nice to have such abundant wealth not to notice anything happening around you.

These are very weird things to say. What is planet progressive? What does anything I say have to do with wealth? What did you say at all about suffering or financial difficulties in your post? Your ramblings were incoherent and nothing in your reply clarifies them in the slightest. (And I don't care about Christ, so why should I care if something is against it.)
 
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Everybody has a worldview but what I really notice among most conservatives is a lack of flexibility or a refuse to put their worldview under scrutiny, or to entertain contrary ideas seriously and in good faith. Indeed, this goes against the spirit of conservativism fundamentally, since they believe so strongly in the value of "tradition", that it becomes the overriding concern that transvalues all other values.
I think people vary on both sides of politics from Left to Right. You get staunch Conservatives who want to live in the past and you get some who are open to change within reason which I think is the majority or growing majority.

I think if one of the Conservatives key foundations is about the truth, about facts then they should not be afraid to stand on that because there is no politics or feelings in the facts and this will win out in the end.

The truth and facts never grow old or outdated.
 
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I think people vary on both sides of politics from Left to Right. You get staunch Conservatives who want to live in the past and you get some who are open to change within reason which I think is the majority or growing majority.

I think if one of the Conservatives key foundations is about the truth, about facts then they should not be afraid to stand on that because there is no politics or feelings in the facts and this will win out in the end.

The truth and facts never grow old or outdated.

What is "truth" and "facts" are often part of a worldview that isn't necessarily subjected to scrutiny or critique.
 
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Wow, there is a lot of flaming in this thread. When members liken an entire group as "evil," "Satanism" and all manner of negative things, and makes extremely negative comments about an entire group, it is flaming and not acceptable. Keep in mind that the 'right' and the 'left' are made up of people who are all sinners and all flawed.

This thread is closed.


 
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