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Satan’s Angels

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With a view to Revelation 12. What scriptures are there that say the angels that belong to him cannot assume human form. I know the chapter doesn’t state they will take on human form, I guess I’m talking about ‘demons’ in general.
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Demons are not fallen angels, demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim who drowned in the flood.
 
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Demons are not fallen angels, demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim who drowned in the flood.
Thanks. I’ve always believed the word ‘demons‘ translated as evil spirits. I’m looking for a scripture or scriptures that definitively state evil spirits/angels cannot manifest in human form. I know Satan can do this and have been incredibly lucky to experience Christ and saints in human form on a number of occasions. I‘ve heard and read others saying evil spirits other than Satan cannot show up as humans but I cannot find any scripture that states this.
 
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Thanks. I’ve always believed the word ‘demons‘ translated as evil spirits. I’m looking for a scripture or scriptures that definitively state evil spirits/angels cannot manifest in human form. I know Satan can do this and have been incredibly lucky to experience Christ and saints in human form on a number of occasions. I‘ve heard and read others saying evil spirits other than Satan cannot show up as humans but I cannot find any scripture that states this.
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Demons can not take human form, angels can take on human form. Are they doing this now, not sure but they did in the past.
 
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Demons can not take human form, angels can take on human form. Are they doing this now, not sure but they did in the past.
Thank you. Going by that, the angels described as aligned with Satan or belonging to him in Revelation 12: 7-9 must therefore be able to present in human form. Revelation is future prophecy, so going by the Bible these angels are still around.
 
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Thank you. Going by that, the angels described as aligned with Satan or belonging to him in Revelation 12: 7-9 must therefore be able to present in human form. Revelation is future prophecy, so going by the Bible these angels are still around.

Some may still be around. But some (not sure how many) have been imprisoned by God.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
 
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Demons can not take human form, angels can take on human form. Are they doing this now, not sure but they did in the past.
Could you give me the verse/s that support that angels can take human form? And also that they are doing it now?
 
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Could you give me the verse/s that support this statement?

No, but there is this verse that states demons seek out dry places. Which i believe is because they drowned in the flood.

“When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none.
 
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No, but there is this verse that states demons seek out dry places. Which i believe is because they drowned in the flood.
I don't know of any verse in the Bible that says demons seek out dry places. You would have to find that for me. I'm pretty sure, also, that we cannot find a verse in the Bible that says that demons are disimbodied spirits of the nephilim.

The only verse I can come close to your statement is...
Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned. - Luk 8:33 NKJV
In this verse the swine sought out the water and drowned. But to use this verse to support your statment would be beyond a stretch.
 
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I don't know of any verse in the Bible that says demons seek out dry places. You would have to find that for me. I'm pretty sure, also, that we cannot find a verse in the Bible that says that demons are disimbodied spirits of the nephilim.

The only verse I can come close to your statement is...

In this verse the swine sought out the water and drowned. But to use this verse to support your statment would be beyond a stretch.
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I posted the verse with my reply to you, reread my post in the bold type is the verse.
 
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I posted the verse with my reply to you, reread my post in the bold type is the verse.
Sorry, I see it now. Why did you put it in such plain sight? (joke) Thank you.

When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. - Mat 12:43 NKJV
Still seems like a stretch. First, you have think that the phrase "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 are fallen angels. And that those angels 'took wives' (the text specifially states they were married) daughters of man (meaning human women) and produced 1/2 angelic beings. A position I do not hold.

Even so, if one would accept that the "sons of God" (Gen 6:2) are fallen angels and that the nephilim have angelic DNA, it would be a difficult road making the assertion (with confidence) that demons are "disembodied spirits of the nephilim". It's just not enought to give me confidence that it is true.

Do you have any verse/s to support your claim that "Demons are not fallen angels"?
 
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Sorry, I see it now. Why did you put it in such plain sight? (joke) Thank you.


Still seems like a stretch. First, you have think that the phrase "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 are fallen angels. And that those angels 'took wives' (the text specifially states they were married) daughters of man (meaning human women) and produced 1/2 angelic beings. A position I do not hold.

Even so, if one would accept that the "sons of God" (Gen 6:2) are fallen angels and that the nephilim have angelic DNA, it would be a difficult road making the assertion (with confidence) that demons are "disembodied spirits of the nephilim". It's just not enought to give me confidence that it is true.

Do you have any verse/s to support your claim that "Demons are not fallen angels"?

Again in my first post to your question i stated no.
This topic is like several in The Bible, which is not directly addressed, Just like there is no mention of words plainly stating the Trinity or the pre-tribulation rapture or a flat and stationary earth.
 
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Could you give me the verse/s that support that angels can take human form? And also that they are doing it now?

Let brotherly love continue. Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.

Angels are men
Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God, yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand.
 
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Again in my first post to your question i stated no.
Sorry for the repeated question.

This topic is like several in The Bible, which is not directly addressed, Just like there is no mention of words plainly stating the Trinity or the pre-tribulation rapture or a flat and stationary earth.
I agree that it is not directly addressed. However, from my vantage point there are many verses to consider, compare, and evaluate regarding the Trinity and rapture. The flat and stationary earth on the other hand...I'll pass on that topic.

Thank you for your correspondence.
Peace be to you
 
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Let brotherly love continue. Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.
This is a good one. However, I would interpert this to be referring to angels of God. In other words, good angels that God has sent for a purpose. I would not use this verse and a negative inference to say the same about fallen angels. Unless of course there are other verses that might suggest such.

The interesting thing about Jude 6 is that God did not like these fallen angels in the OT leaving their proper domain. They were put in chains because of it.
 
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while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning
This verse in Daniel is not as good for me becasue it is a vision, not an account of something that happened in the physical world.
 
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This is a good one. However, I would interpert this to be referring to angels of God. In other words, good angels that God has sent for a purpose. I would not use this verse and a negative inference to say the same about fallen angels.
How would you know the difference, do you have the spiritual gift of discernment? You need it, I can tell you that.
 
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How would you know the difference, do you have the spiritual gift of discernment? You need it, I can tell you that.
Ok, got it. Thank you for your time. I'll bail out after the personal attack.

May God do a fruitful work through you.
 
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