Science and God

Why don't you start with a specific thing? Oh, well maybe you have done this >

xaurora said:

I guess I'm just scared about permanent mortality.

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There are atheists who claim that humans fear death and so we have invented religion with eternal life after death so we can feel good. But they say we are just making up the Christian and other "life after death" belief systems, because we are in denial about dying and that's it.

Not all atheists may say this, though.

There is religion which gives false hope. Because their way is not Jesus. Jesus is our way to God and eternal life. But this is not for our own selfish feel-good life everlasting. But we need to turn from our own ways and become and love like Jesus so we are ready to share eternity with Him > Romans 8:29.

But there are ones becoming more and more into their own selves and loving only certain people. How they are becoming will be reaped with becoming so much worse after they die. This has a way of not getting attention.

The points the atheists make in that link you gave seem to focus mainly on the God of the Bible. First they really need to clarify their belief in a creator whether it be Jesus, a god of another religion, or a generic creator like the god of deism.

The point atheists try to make is that a god/creator is not necessary for the existence of the universe. Even if that's true, it doesn't mean there isn't a creator involved in our existence. The irony is that there are theoretical physicists (of the secular nature) that maintain that scientific evidence points to the possibility that we may one day have the ability to create a separate universe, including life (I assume sentient) in a lab. So if for the sake of argument, that were to happen, it would beg the question of whether or not we would be ultimately necessary for their creation, or could that created universe in a lab have come about accidentally as well? And then it also begs the question whether or not we could reveal our existence to them (like Jesus does for us) in such a way that there's no question of our being their creator? To take it a step further, could we also hide our existence from them to where they would be atheists in their own universe without our
revealing our existence as their creator? Another irony is that this qualifies as intelligent design which they claim is strictly a religious (Christian) agenda to push Christianity into our schools and government. And some suggest that scientists creating a universe with life would pose a huge problem to Christians. I think if anything, maybe God simply is giving scientists a tiny picture of the act of creating a universe, maybe since they seem to have such a problem with the concept.

Because this issue is so political, they wrongfully conglomerate the idea of a religiously neutral creator (or intelligent designer) with the God of the Bible. So on the one hand they claim they don't believe in a creator due simply to lack of evidence. On the other hand they usually let on that their main problem with the concept is the existence of the God of the Bible as being our creator. I don't think they have a real problem with there being an impersonal creator. They seem to want take a science fictional view of a creator that is too far above us in intelligence to interact with us (hold us accountable for wrongdoing, expressing love to us, etc.). To myself, I think that's like a parent being too high above their child in intelligence to interact with them.


I think we would find that everything atheists complain about concerning the God of the bible, we fully accept as common practices amongst humans.

Atheism is built on the lies of science, globe earth and evolution. There is nothing to fear about atheism it is a looser like satan.

To OP/xaurora
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Wikipedia has an informative article on..
- 'Christianity & Science'

xaurora said:

I guess I'm just scared about permanent mortality.

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I would be too if my mortality was on this planet.

xaurora said:

articles with conflicting points against Jesus and where we came from and things

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That's why they call it faith.

xaurora said:

(God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs)
I guess I'm just confused in a way.

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I think you are. All 50 are good arguments if you don't have a relationship with God. Which questions move you the most?

There is no evidence that the universe will eventually start collapsing back onto itself in order to go through another big-bang event. Hence, the current universe is a one-time thing. So where did it come from? There can be only one answer: it came from something outside of the known universe that is timeless and all powerful. If that were not true then everything would have run down long ago. That of course is God, but atheists can't admit that.

Atheists don't want there to be a god because they want to tell us what is right and wrong, good and bad. Hence, they have given us their religion - the religion of equality. Most atheists follow the religion of equality. Too bad that nobody is equal to anybody else. We're not equal economically. We're not equal before the law. We're not equal before God. We're not even equal to ourselves on different days.

xaurora said:

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks. As atheism is on the rise, I decided to research more about what they believe. I came across many articles with conflicting points against Jesus and where we came from and things. I was wondering what other Christians think about this. I do not mean to offend anyone, I am just curious about another Christian's point of view on this.
(Article for reference: Let’s Get One Thing Clear: Atheists Do Not Believe Something Came From Nothing!)

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From the article, they clearly acknowledge that something has always existed--matter in some form. Yet they have faith (a belief without direct observation) as to what it was and how it came to be. Our experience with matter shows us that complexity is not naturally increased over time. For instance, junkyards don't naturally produce working automobiles from non-working, rusting junkers, no matter how long you leave it. But leave a working automobile alone for 50 years, and its metal components will rust, its rubber tires will degrade and crack, its battery will no longer charge, etc. Eventually it will all become dust.

Humans can take dust (elements found in the ground, like copper, iron, aluminum, etc), animal skins and plant products (for leather, fabric, rubber etc.), and oil (for plastic, gas, and lubrication), and make a car out of it.

The universe works the same way. It takes planning and skill to make a planet go around a sun in such a way that life is possible on it, with the right amount of oxygen in the air, the right amount of water in the oceans, the right amount of land, the right amount of wind and waves (so water and air don't stagnate). Life itself requires certain amounts of specific molecules that are connected and held together (DNA, for instance) in a way that defies the natural tendency of all matter to return to dust. This tells us that someone with intelligence designed and built the earth, in the solar system, in its galaxy to support life of different types.

You can have faith that dust arranges itself into complex structures like animals and trees, like the atheists, or you can have faith--backed by observational experienced--that a highly intelligent God did those things.

Which position makes more sense to you? The blind faith of the atheist, or the evidence-based faith of the Christian?

xaurora said:

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks. As atheism is on the rise, I decided to research more about what they believe. I came across many articles with conflicting points against Jesus and where we came from and things. I was wondering what other Christians think about this. I do not mean to offend anyone, I am just curious about another Christian's point of view on this.
(Article for reference: Let’s Get One Thing Clear: Atheists Do Not Believe Something Came From Nothing!)

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Christians need to stop thinking that "atheists" believe one unified theology, or philosophy.

That's like thinking that all people who drive cars, like chocolate ice cream.

There are very few assertions that can be made, that are TRUE about
all atheists.

Stephen3141 said:

Christians need to stop thinking that "atheists" believe one unified theology, or philosophy.

That's like thinking that all people who drive cars, like chocolate ice cream.

There are very few assertions that can be made, that are TRUE about
all atheists.

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They don't believe God exists. And anything that exists must therefore be attributable to non-supernatural causes. From there, they might try to explain things differently, but those are the basic presuppositions.

There are theories of both "Big Bang" cosmologies (from nothing) and Big Bang cosmologies
that involve repeated bang and collapse theories.

Big Bang theories, are not unified in agreeing whether or not there was never a state
in which nothing existed. This is one problem in seeing "atheists" as one group.

Another is that "atheist" is often used by Christians, to denote someone who does
not believe that the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, exists. But this is
different than those who believe that a supernatural intelligence exists, but are
not convinced that the God of the Bible exists. Christians ought to be conscious
of the different types of "atheism".

From the logical arguments for the existence of God, as Mortimer Adler has
concluded in his book (How to Prove There is a God), that it is reasonable to
believe that "the God of the philosophers" exists. But, as he says, this does
not prove that the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob exists.

A lot of Christians would assert that those who believe that some supernatural
intelligence God exists, are still atheists.

Stephen3141 said:

There are theories of both "Big Bang" cosmologies (from nothing) and Big Bang cosmologies
that involve repeated bang and collapse theories.

Big Bang theories, are not unified in agreeing whether or not there was never a state
in which nothing existed. This is one problem in seeing "atheists" as one group.

Another is that "atheist" is often used by Christians, to denote someone who does
not believe that the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, exists. But this is
different than those who believe that a supernatural intelligence exists, but are
not convinced that the God of the Bible exists. Christians ought to be conscious
of the different types of "atheism".

From the logical arguments for the existence of God, as Mortimer Adler has
concluded in his book (How to Prove There is a God), that it is reasonable to
believe that "the God of the philosophers" exists. But, as he says, this does
not prove that the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob exists.

A lot of Christians would assert that those who believe that some supernatural
intelligence God exists, are still atheists.

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True, but at times atheists are not clear on what they mean by God/god, and appear hesitant to clarify. They may state they don't believe in God/god due to lack of evidence. The same atheist will state that the God of the bible is evil. So it's not clear if when referring to God/god having lack of evidence, they were referring to God/god in a broader sense, or the God of the bible, either way giving an impression of objective neutrality. When they claim Bible/God is evil, they give the impression that the evil is part of why they don't believe He exists.

It's the same with the term religion, which often seems to be used to avoid sounding like they are targeting a specific religion. But it often seems they use the term specifically for Christianity, or Abrahamic religions.

xaurora said:

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks. As atheism is on the rise, I decided to research more about what they believe. I came across many articles with conflicting points against Jesus and where we came from and things. I was wondering what other Christians think about this. I do not mean to offend anyone, I am just curious about another Christian's point of view on this.
(Article for reference: Let’s Get One Thing Clear: Atheists Do Not Believe Something Came From Nothing!)

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Look closely at the article...



The big bang does not believe something was created out of nothing. It believes that there was matter that was condensed. This is far different then saying God created all things out of nothing.

I would suggest reviewing the early creeds of the church. Christians today don't know what they believe.

xaurora said:

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks. As atheism is on the rise, I decided to research more about what they believe. I came across many articles with conflicting points against Jesus and where we came from and things. I was wondering what other Christians think about this. I do not mean to offend anyone, I am just curious about another Christian's point of view on this.
(Article for reference: Let’s Get One Thing Clear: Atheists Do Not Believe Something Came From Nothing!)

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Unfortunately, there are no scientists. There is only a bunch of greedy people trying to make as much money as they can by finding more about how the physical matter works. The universities promote an anti-scientific religion and a cult of arrogance. Today, the academics even claim that 2+2 is not 5. Also, the "scientists" lied for 50 years about the sugar (link) and the entire "scientific community" was absolutely Ok with that, forgetting that such things affect their credibility even if they work in a very different field (for example electrical engineering). The academic environment has no credibility whatsoever.
What is characteristic for the materialistic knowledge is frowning, complication, dogma and lies.
In contrast, real knowledge is characterized by smile, simplicity, wonder in front of complexity, truth and freedom.

Having said that, I think the best argument for creationism was made by Dinesh D'Souza in his debate with Cristopher Hitchens: If you go to another planet and see machines and pyramids, you will understand they were created by an intelligence. The same apply for the most simple living cell: it is more complex than a computer and therefore it was created by an intelligence. Richard Dawkings try to "explain" that the first living cell was brought by the extraterrestrians, but that evades answering the question: how did the first cell appear on the planet of those ET.

I forgot to mention: Even today, the "scientists" refuse to investigate the raw food diet, which is well known to be healthy. When you look at their deeds and you draw the line, the result is that the "scientific community" is nothing else than a bunch of arrogant liars. They are part of a religion against science and against real knowledge. Science is one thing, but the universities have nothing to do with it.

xaurora said:

I guess I'm just scared about permanent mortality.

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There's nothing like getting sucked into the atheistic black hole.

HarleyER said:

The big bang does not believe something was created out of nothing. It believes that there was matter that was condensed.

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Where did this happen? Where is the center. Liker a firework explodes in the sky there is a center. Yet when we look up into the sky in any direction we see back in time to early stars.

xaurora said:

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks. As atheism is on the rise, I decided to research more about what they believe.

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Atheism, comparably worldwide, is still pitifully low in number, atheist proselytising isn’t making any ground for their religion. They try hard, really hard with empty theories about creation but their numbers are even projected to wain worldwide. Time is running out and this world won’t continue much longer but here is reliable, trustworthy research:

The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050.