Catholics coming to Orthodoxy

Light of the East · Jan 2, 2024

In a recent interview, Rod Dreher discusses the recent Declaration entitled “Fiducia Supplicans” with Metropolitan Hilarion:

In the course of the discussion of this document, and the fallout from it, it is mentioned that there are Catholics who are leaving the Roman Church because this is absolutely the last straw for them.

Do you see a problem with this? My thought is that pure and simple disgust over sin in the Latin church is a problematic reason for leaving. My conversion took place because in looking over the history of the Christian faith and the works of the Fathers, I could not find certain Roman dogmas, and in fact found that they were invented after the schism of 1054 AD.

What I am saying is that one should be attracted to the Orthodox faith because it is truth, not because of emotional issues within the body you are leaving.

ArmyMatt · Jan 2, 2024

folks come to Orthodoxy for a myriad of reasons, but they should stay because they realize it’s the truth.

if folks are gonna leave Rome due to disgust over some sin, I’d rather they come to the Orthodox Church than go elsewhere.

Light of the East · Jan 2, 2024

ArmyMatt said:
folks come to Orthodoxy for a myriad of reasons, but they should stay because they realize it’s the truth.

if folks are gonna leave Rome due to disgust over some sin, I’d rather they come to the Orthodox Church than go elsewhere.

I certainly cannot argue with that logic!

rusmeister · Jan 3, 2024

I’ve said everything I can say about language, and it’s unfortunate, that even the good Metropolitan here, adopts some of it, such as “sexual orientation”, rather than speaking of sexual passions, which would immediately speak to the truth of the issue, and make it clear. Even calling someone “homosexual“ is giving in to that earlier concession that made all of this modern insanity possible.

This falling away, this gradual apostasy, step-by-step, is happening everywhere, in all Christian confessions, including in the Orthodox Church. it is happening faster outside of the Church.

A person should not leave the confession of faith they have held for emotional reasons, but rather for dogmatic reasons, when it shows clearly and unmistakably that it has departed from the ancient Faith. Personally, I sum it up by saying that CS Lewis could not remain in the Anglican Church of today.

The Liturgist · Jan 3, 2024

ArmyMatt said:
folks come to Orthodoxy for a myriad of reasons, but they should stay because they realize it’s the truth.

if folks are gonna leave Rome due to disgust over some sin, I’d rather they come to the Orthodox Church than go elsewhere.

Indeed, and it is not as though we are gloating over this human tragedy that has befallen the Roman church, far from it. My prayers are with the traditional Catholics who are being persecuted so viciously by their own hierarchy. Not that we haven’t ever had that sort of thing in the darker hours of Orthodoxy, but thankfully, at present most of the Orthodox churches of the world are governed in a compassionate and commendable manner.

ArmyMatt · Jan 3, 2024

The Liturgist said:
Indeed, and it is not as though we are gloating over this human tragedy that has befallen the Roman church, far from it. My prayers are with the traditional Catholics who are being persecuted so viciously by their own hierarchy. Not that we haven’t ever had that sort of thing in the darker hours of Orthodoxy, but thankfully, at present most of the Orthodox churches of the world are governed in a compassionate and commendable manner.

prayers that the compassion continues

The Liturgist · Jan 3, 2024

ArmyMatt said:
prayers that the compassion continues

Indeed, there was an unhappy reason why I said “most”, not wanting to get into specifics.

ArmyMatt · Jan 4, 2024

The Liturgist said:
Indeed, there was an unhappy reason why I said “most”, not wanting to get into specifics.

I hear you

zippy2006 · Jan 4, 2024

Light of the East said:
My thought is that pure and simple disgust over sin in the Latin church is a problematic reason for leaving. My conversion took place because in looking over the history of the Christian faith and the works of the Fathers, I could not find certain Roman dogmas, and in fact found that they were invented after the schism of 1054 AD.

What I am saying is that one should be attracted to the Orthodox faith because it is truth, not because of emotional issues within the body you are leaving.

Those who disagree with Fiducia Supplicans have a doctrinal disagreement with Pope Francis, just as you had a doctrinal disagreement with the Catholic Church. I do not see how this is a matter of "sin" or "emotional issues."

I believe Metropolitan Hilarion was saying that someone coming to Orthodoxy should come because of something that Orthodoxy has, not merely because of something that their own communion lacks.

abacabb3 · Jan 5, 2024

My own story in Orthodoxy began on this forum and it wasn't because I instantly thought the Church had it all right. Army Matt was very patient. I say this because I think for the inquirers I think it's good to let them approach from where they are and simply keep them catechumens until they really go "all in" and buy the whole bill of goods.

Light of the East · Jan 6, 2024

zippy2006 said:
Those who disagree with Fiducia Supplicans have a doctrinal disagreement with Pope Francis, just as you had a doctrinal disagreement with the Catholic Church. I do not see how this is a matter of "sin" or "emotional issues."

My response in indicating that this was an emotional subject comes from reading numerous posts by Roman Catholic who are having real emotional struggles with this and who have express this in an emotional manner. Therefore, I am only responding within kind.

zippy2006 said:
I believe Metropolitan Hilarion was saying that someone coming to Orthodoxy should come because of something that Orthodoxy has, not merely because of something that their own communion lacks.

Which is exactly the point I was trying to make.

ArmyMatt · Jan 7, 2024

two Catholic inquirers this morning. what started as them being miffed at the Pope’s recent letter turned into a discussion about proper ecclesiology.

Nick1000 · Jan 7, 2024

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ArmyMatt · Jan 8, 2024

wonderful

Markie Boy · Jan 8, 2024

I agree. As one that left the Catholic Church, but did not go into Orthodoxy. The absence of an Orthodox church to check out for too far of a drive really kept me from going too deep to look into it.

It's better to be going To something rather than running From something.

But we are all different. If God reaches them this way, and they leave because they can't tolerate what's going on - that's still a good thing. Once someones eyes are opened, it's often then easier to see the other things too.

ArmyMatt · Jan 8, 2024

Markie Boy said:
It's better to be going To something rather than running From something.

yep, that’s why if someone is running from their former faith, they need to shift to find a reason to run toward Orthodoxy.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 21, 2024

rusmeister said:
I’ve said everything I can say about language, and it’s unfortunate, that even the good Metropolitan here, adopts some of it, such as “sexual orientation”, rather than speaking of sexual passions, which would immediately speak to the truth of the issue, and make it clear. Even calling someone “homosexual“ is giving in to that earlier concession that made all of this modern insanity possible.

This falling away, this gradual apostasy, step-by-step, is happening everywhere, in all Christian confessions, including in the Orthodox Church. it is happening faster outside of the Church.

A person should not leave the confession of faith they have held for emotional reasons, but rather for dogmatic reasons, when it shows clearly and unmistakably that it has departed from the ancient Faith. Personally, I sum it up by saying that CS Lewis could not remain in the Anglican Church of today.

Some ARE preaching against it!

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