How come every rule, law, industry, country seems to be against the USA right?

stevil · Jan 3, 2024

I'm starting this thread because there is so much grumbling by many people on the USA right where they think everything is against them.
They think

media is against them
Movie and tv industry is against them
Social media is against them
DOJ, FBI, CIA is against them
Science is against them
Pretty much all of the other western democratic countries are against them.

They believe in some Deep State conspiracy, even believe "establishment" Republicans are against them.

I'm not sure if this predates D Trump or not, but obviously it's D Trumps schtick. Woo is me, no one has ever had such a hard time as me, please donate to my "Mega Wealthy highly connected and influential old white man needs money to keep rich, connected and powerful" fund.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
I'm starting this thread because there is so much grumbling by many people on the USA right where they think everything is against them.
They think

media is against them

Movie and tv industry is against them

Social media is against them

DOJ, FBI, CIA is against them

Science is against them

Pretty much all of the other western democratic countries are against them.

They believe in some Deep State conspiracy, even believe "establishment" Republicans are against them.

I'm not sure if this predates D Trump or not, but obviously it's D Trumps schtick. Woo is me, no one has ever had such a hard time as me, please donate to my "Mega Wealthy highly connected and influential old white man needs money to keep rich, connected and powerful" fund.

This looooong predates Trump. This dynamic has existed within fundamentalist Christianity for at least a century.

Laodicean60 · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
grumbling by many people on the USA

I believe the government is against me, but it's not listed. I'm curious what you mean by science?

BPPLEE · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
I'm starting this thread because there is so much grumbling by many people on the USA right where they think everything is against them.
They think

media is against them

Movie and tv industry is against them

Social media is against them

DOJ, FBI, CIA is against them

Science is against them

Pretty much all of the other western democratic countries are against them.

They believe in some Deep State conspiracy, even believe "establishment" Republicans are against them.

I'm not sure if this predates D Trump or not, but obviously it's D Trumps schtick. Woo is me, no one has ever had such a hard time as me, please donate to my "Mega Wealthy highly connected and influential old white man needs money to keep rich, connected and powerful" fund.

You can check media sources here:

Media Bias/Fact Check News

We are the most comprehensive media bias resource on the internet. There are currently 3900+ media sources listed in our database and growing every day.

mediabiasfactcheck.com

I’m not going to comment on the rest of your claims

jacks · Jan 3, 2024

Everyone hates a winner.

stevil · Jan 3, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
I believe the government is against me, but it's not listed. I'm curious what you mean by science?

Many people and Right wing media deny global warming and at first denied Covid as a threat, then denied recommendations by scientists for measures to reduce the spread, then denied warnings by scientists about unproven cures, and then denied recommendations by scientists to take the vaccine, and now many on the Right are still on the attack on Faucci, a scientist, as if the political right stance is to go against the scientists who were leading the scientific aspect of the Corona task force.

stevil · Jan 3, 2024

BPPLEE said:
You can check media sources here:

Media Bias/Fact Check News

We are the most comprehensive media bias resource on the internet. There are currently 3900+ media sources listed in our database and growing every day.

mediabiasfactcheck.com

I’m not going to comment on the rest of your claims

Um, that was quite random.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

BPPLEE · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
Many people and Right wing media deny global warming and at first denied Covid as a threat, then denied recommendations by scientists for measures to reduce the spread, then denied warnings by scientists about unproven cures, and then denied recommendations by scientists to take the vaccine, and now many on the Right are still on the attack on Faucci, a scientist, as if the political right stance is to go against the scientists who were leading the scientific aspect of the Corona task force.

Is it global warming again? Are we back to that? I thought it was climate change

Laodicean60 · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
Many people

Gothcha.

stevil said:
deny global warming

I believe the hard science and I have my views also about it.

stevil said:
then denied recommendations by scientists to take the vaccine,

I did this. For me it wasn't political. Peace

stevil · Jan 3, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Gothcha.

I believe the hard science and I have my views also about it.

I did this. For me it wasn't political. Peace

I wasn't talking about you specifically.

BPPLEE · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
I wasn't talking about you specifically.

You’re talking about all of us with the broad terms you used in the OP. But we’re a lot more diverse than you imagine

Laodicean60 · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
I wasn't talking about you specifically.

Hey, no problem 'I'm not easily offended, and I knew what your OP was about, but I had a brain fart when it came to science part. Peace.

Brihaha · Jan 3, 2024

Whatever folks are aggrieved with, there's a very high probability that politics will not remedy the malaise. Which seems counterintuitive in our current state of polarization in America. People are getting more tribal at the nadir of our government's effectiveness.

Trump didn't invent the nonstop belly aching we see daily. He merely had research done before running for president in 2016. They presented him with the "grievances" list and turned him loose on the belly achers. And voila...the cult was founded.

I found a remedy during the pandemic. I read my bible. And haven't stopped. Politicians can never supplant my faith now.

Fantine · Jan 3, 2024

In this state you hear lots of grumbling about the economy. TBT, the national economy is booming. Stock market highs. Tumbling gas prices. Higher wages. Inflation receding at record clips.

In addition, the city I live in has a booming economy, lots of new business coming in (partly because of a new military mission.) A medical school. A health sciences college (in addition to our existing university.) New homes and businesses all over. Soaring home prices (which can be a negative, of course.)

Restaurants are busy. Stores are busy. Retail parking lots are full.

But the conservative media promotes that the economy is terrible, and people believe it. They believe what they hear, and never look beyond to see if it's accurate.

BPPLEE · Jan 3, 2024

Fantine said:
In this state you hear lots of grumbling about the economy. TBT, the national economy is booming. Stock market highs. Tumbling gas prices. Higher wages. Inflation receding at record clips.

In addition, the city I live in has a booming economy, lots of new business coming in (partly because of a new military mission.) A medical school. A health sciences college (in addition to our existing university.) New homes and businesses all over. Soaring home prices (which can be a negative, of course.)

Restaurants are busy. Stores are busy. Retail parking lots are full.

But the conservative media promotes that the economy is terrible, and people believe it. They believe what they hear, and never look beyond to see if it's accurate.

Actually people believe what they are experiencing. That’s why Biden’s approval ratings are so poor despite what they are telling you.
Not everyone is experiencing what you are.

stevil · Jan 3, 2024

BPPLEE said:
You’re talking about all of us with the broad terms you used in the OP. But we’re a lot more diverse than you imagine

I said some, I didn't say all.

BPPLEE · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
I said some, I didn't say all.

You said many, so it’s true you didn’t say all.

QvQ · Jan 3, 2024

What I can't understand is the media and Trump. I looked at several mainstream outlets, The Hill, CNN, MSNBC and Trump is plastered wall to wall. Most of the articles are Trump and very anti-Trump at that.
I counted 11 articles on one site and 9 of them were about Trump.
I have my own opinions about Trump.
I find that news sites where the only "news" is Trump and mostly Trump Bad are a waste.
I go to other sites to find some news articles about what else is happening in the world and surprisingly enough, those sites are conservative. Very little mention of Trump or Biden other than coincidental to the News.

stevil · Jan 3, 2024

On CNN right now,

the main article is about the Epstien documents
Several articles about a plane crash in Japan
More than 100 killed in blast near Iranian military commander
Stuff about the Israel/Hammas war
Trump asks supreme court to overturn Colorado ruling (this is neither positive or negative, just factual)
Why Trump's rivals won't dare mention his greatest liability (not sure if this is positive or negative but it is pertinent to the Republican primary which is in full swing)
An article on BYD, the Chinese EV giant
Ex-trump lawyer on why he thinks the Colorado ballot appeal was delayed (not sure if this is positive or negative but seems pertinant as it is a big deal if Trump is removed from the primary ballot)
Two Key military appointments reflecting Xi's territorial ambitions

So three articles about Trump, but they are very relevant to very recent and important events in USA. Can't tell from the titles if these are pro or anti trump, One is factual, two are opinons.

On MSNBC right now

The main article is about Trump's claims about Liz Cheeny collapsing (this is a negative article on D Trump, probably shouldn't be the headline)
Several articles on Epstien, (a picture of Trump and Epstien together, this was unneccessary)
Article on RFK Jr doubling down on his antivax stance
A new immunity argument could doom Trump's appeal (negative on Trump, but pertinent to the ongoing court case of an ex-president)
GOP group that spent millions to stop Trump reportedly want to call a truce (not sure if this is pro or anti, or just factual)
Trump appeals Collerado ballot rulling to Supreme Court (not negative, just factual and pertinent)
He knew what he was doing, : Jena Griswold condems Trump after post about Maine official (negative on Trump, probably not front page worthy stuff here)
White rage is coming for College Campuses, Harvard is proof
Mark Meadows brings on new legal firepower
Trump gets dealt a bad hand after psychic pulls Grim Reaper card live on Fox News (negative, this is a nonsense article, shouldn't be on the front page)

Most articles on MSNBC front page are about Trump, many seem unnecessary and many seem negative.
Seems to have quite a USA Political focus

New York Times right now

The main article is about Bombing in Iran killing 100
Gold Bars and Luxury Watches: How the U.S says Qatar wooed Mendez

Have to scroll down to get more than just these two articles

Articles on Israel/Hammas war
The word that undid Claudine Gay
Japan Airline crash
Trump asks supreme court to keep him on Colorado Ballet (not negative or positive, just factual)
Mexico Authorities rescue 31 migrants near border with USA

Just one article which is factual on Trump. Strange that there is nothing about Epstein

New York Post right now

The main article is about Epstien with focus on Clinton
Al Sharpton slammed by Ex-ESPN host (doesn't seem to be front page worthy)
Claudine Gay says she fell victim (doesn't seem to be front page worthy)
Elon Musk spent time with son on NYE (doesn't seem to be front page worthy)

Nothing at all about Trump, his court cases, his petitioning of the supreme court.

Fox News right now

The main article is about Epstien
Former 80's rock musician arrested after girlfriend's body found in woods
Disgraced former Harvard president pens Op-Ed (doesn't seem to be front page worthy)
Biden's green goals suffer blow as developer axes project
Biden's admin shifts blame as national debt reaches historic high
Trashed and dirty hotwings are becoming a classic (doesn't seem to be front page worthy)
Man lunges at Nevada judge and attacks her
Chic fil a raises its prices (doesn't seem to be front page worthy)

Nothing at all about Trump, his court cases, his petitioning of the supreme court.

QvQ · Jan 3, 2024

stevil said:
So three articles about Trump, but they are very relevant to very recent and important events in USA. Can't tell from the titles if these are pro or anti trump, One is factual, two are opinons.

2 too many. One news article is enough. "Trump appeals to Supreme Court" Period

Count the number of times the name Trump appears in the headline even if Trump is not directly involved. "Associate of Trump" sort of mention and you have to read the article to find out who the associate is and that he actually had nothing to do with Trump directly

stevil said:
Nothing at all about Trump, his court cases, his petitioning of the supreme court.

It is certainly nice to open a news site and not see a huge picture of Trump. And have to wade through endless articles about every single bit of information that can be dredged up and opined about Trump.

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