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AI can replicate AI without the aid of humans

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This article causes me to be cautiously pessimistic about Artificial Intelligence.

What are y'alls thoughts about this?
I've just started reading a book by Stuart Russell - seems he's one of the main guys in AI. The book is Human Compatible - AI and the problem of control. Human Compatible: AI and the Problem of Control : Russell, Stuart: Amazon.com.au: Books

From the reviews it seems that he is concerned but there are ways we can develop this without going down some Skynet disaster for humanity. I'm only a chapter or two in, so I don't yet have a grasp on what he suggests is the right route. But he does believe that there are dangers.

I must admit I sat up and took an interest a few months back when I tried ChatGPT. I'd read that it could write computer code which I used to do for draughting software when I was working. So I gave it a simple problem to solve that might have taken me a couple of hours to write and code and check. Three hours tops. I thought it might have given me some basic ideas on how to do it, recommend some sites from which I could learn how to do it, give a rough outline maybe.

It gave me the complete code immediately. And I mean immediately after I hit enter. It took me half an hour to check it. It was better than I could have written. It was...unerving. It had taken me a long time to learn this rather obscure programming language, I didn't know anyone who was competent in it in my line of work (it was why I was in demand at the time) but here was a free facility online that would churn out whatever you wanted whenever you wanted it. Perfectly.

It was a wake up call for me as to where we are going.
 
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I will never trust AI. It's terrifying.
I understand you! I've always been a tech guy and I do believe good people will use it to better humanity but on the other hand there are criminals and other countries that will use it against us. :(
 
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I've just started reading a book by Stuart Russell - seems he's one of the main guys in AI. The book is Human Compatible - AI and the problem of control. Human Compatible: AI and the Problem of Control : Russell, Stuart: Amazon.com.au: Books

From the reviews it seems that he is concerned but there are ways we can develop this without going down some Skynet disaster for humanity. I'm only a chapter or two in, so I don't yet have a grasp on what he suggests is the right route. But he does believe that there are dangers.

I must admit I sat up and took an interest a few months back when I tried ChatGPT. I'd read that it could write computer code which I used to do for draughting software when I was working. So I gave it a simple problem to solve that might have taken me a couple of hours to write and code and check. Three hours tops. I thought it might have given me some basic ideas on how to do it, recommend some sites from which I could learn how to do it, give a rough outline maybe.

It gave me the complete code immediately. And I mean immediately after I hit enter. It took me half an hour to check it. It was better than I could have written. It was...unerving. It had taken me a long time to learn this rather obscure programming language, I didn't know anyone who was competent in it in my line of work (it was why I was in demand at the time) but here was a free facility online that would churn out whatever you wanted whenever you wanted it. Perfectly.

It was a wake up call for me as to where we are going.

Chat GPT is good for concept searches and for basic searches but its code often does not work and it lacks a systematic overview of how different aspects of programs work together. But it makes life easier to get an idea from AI and then by a steady process of refinement improve that idea. Also because it is copying code from literally thousands of other programmers it often comes up with better ways of doing things, so long as it stays up to date with the latest libraries.

The power source is the main form of control, we can switch the thing off. Also, we can use AI against rogue AI, we can limit server power available to good AIs and bad AIs.

Ultimately AI lacks both soul and physical context. You need both for good programming as usually you are trying to solve a specific real-world problem with your code.

IF AI mimics us then it stands a chance of remaining useful. I worry about machine learning in that it allows the machine to go off on its own trajectory which most often turns out to be utter foolishness unless directed to solving specific problems. The machine has to work for us, not the other way around.
 
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I will never trust AI. It's terrifying.
Three untrustworthy things of the 2020s: Unhinged artificial intelligence, corporations and politicians.
 
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Yep. Tesla, Fox, CNN, Disney and others I do not trust. Once those companies get their hands on AI, things will get worse. Luckily, open-source, transparent AI could be a solution to the corporate AI, according to Built-In, a tech news website.

Open-source AI: 3 Reasons AI Should Be Open Source
 
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I find it humorous because the scary part about AI is the same thing in every other monster. I.e. it is the fact of their human traits which turn them into monsters. For AI it takes all the human foibles it learns on the models it is feed and amplifies them.
 
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This article causes me to be cautiously pessimistic about Artificial Intelligence.

What are y'alls thoughts about this?

It gave birth...it's alive now by some definitions.

Look, if it kills us all...it's still a pretty good crowning achievement.
 
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I've just started reading a book by Stuart Russell - seems he's one of the main guys in AI. The book is Human Compatible - AI and the problem of control. Human Compatible: AI and the Problem of Control : Russell, Stuart: Amazon.com.au: Books

From the reviews it seems that he is concerned but there are ways we can develop this without going down some Skynet disaster for humanity. I'm only a chapter or two in, so I don't yet have a grasp on what he suggests is the right route. But he does believe that there are dangers.

I must admit I sat up and took an interest a few months back when I tried ChatGPT. I'd read that it could write computer code which I used to do for draughting software when I was working. So I gave it a simple problem to solve that might have taken me a couple of hours to write and code and check. Three hours tops. I thought it might have given me some basic ideas on how to do it, recommend some sites from which I could learn how to do it, give a rough outline maybe.

It gave me the complete code immediately. And I mean immediately after I hit enter. It took me half an hour to check it. It was better than I could have written. It was...unerving. It had taken me a long time to learn this rather obscure programming language, I didn't know anyone who was competent in it in my line of work (it was why I was in demand at the time) but here was a free facility online that would churn out whatever you wanted whenever you wanted it. Perfectly.

It was a wake up call for me as to where we are going.

It was impressive. Then I saw it was unable to engage in lateral thinking.

It is, in many ways, a very advanced version of "The Chinese Room".
 
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Well, this AI emergence needs regulated somehow. AI regulation seems like an issue that democrats and republicans agree on. I have little faith in our current legislators in DC to be up to this task.

 
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Well, this AI emergence needs regulated somehow. AI regulation seems like an issue that democrats and republicans agree on. I have little faith in our current legislators in DC to be up to this task.

I unwilling to sign up link, but I agree with you. The ignorant politicians will allow corporations to dictate their desires.
 
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I unwilling to sign up link, but I agree with you. The ignorant politicians will allow corporations to dictate their desires.

Dang it, sorry about that. I replaced the article with another one.

Yeah, lobbyists probably make more money than an honest politician, assuming there are honest politicians lol.
 
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