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Jack Smith obtains Trump's WH cell phone data

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Jack Smith got a hold of Trump's cellphone records, NOT the data
That is data.

data /dā′tə, dăt′ə, dä′tə/

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  1. Facts that can be analyzed or used in an effort to gain knowledge or make decisions; information.
  2. Statistics or other information represented in a form suitable for processing by computer.
  3. See datum.
From your link:
This person, whom Smith refers to as "Expert 3" in a court filing, "extracted and processed data from the White House cell phones used by the defendant and one other individual (Individual 1)," Smith's filing said. Expert 3 also "specifically identified the periods of time during which the defendant's phone was unlocked and the Twitter application was open on January 6."

The filing also says the witness "reviewed and analyzed data on the defendant's phone and on Individual 1's phone, including analyzing images found on the phones and websites visited."
 
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You don't know what you are talking about

there is a difference between call records and the actual data. A call record tells me who you called and when.

the transmitted, unencrypted data, show me what you said, what the other person said, what files were exchanged, etc.

where does it say investigators cracked into the data itself and read through the conversations? Now they might have done this, but I don't see that in the articles
 
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You don't know what you are talking about
I just showed you that Smith got access to data on Trump's WH phone.
there is a difference between call records and the actual data.
Call records are data; read the definition. But data are a lot more than that. This is likely to be very useful to the court in determining what Trump's involvement was on that day.

Special Counsel Jack Smith has indicated that he will use data mined from Donald Trump's White House cellphone as prosecutorial evidence during the ex-president's federal election interference case. Smith informed the judge in a court filing that he intended to bring "expert" witnesses who extracted and reviewed data copied from Trump’s phone, as well as a phone used by another unidentified individual in Trump’s orbit. Experts have claimed that the extracted data is “important” for the case and may pose a threat to Trump. The 77-year-old former US president previously entered a not guilty plea in federal court to all four charges resulting from Smith's investigation into the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, and election interference in 2020.
 
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I just showed you that Smith got access to data on Trump's WH phone.

Call records are data; read the definition. But data are a lot more than that. This is likely to be very useful to the court in determining what Trump's involvement was on that day.

Special Counsel Jack Smith has indicated that he will use data mined from Donald Trump's White House cellphone as prosecutorial evidence during the ex-president's federal election interference case. Smith informed the judge in a court filing that he intended to bring "expert" witnesses who extracted and reviewed data copied from Trump’s phone, as well as a phone used by another unidentified individual in Trump’s orbit. Experts have claimed that the extracted data is “important” for the case and may pose a threat to Trump. The 77-year-old former US president previously entered a not guilty plea in federal court to all four charges resulting from Smith's investigation into the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, and election interference in 2020.
I work in this area

there is a fundamental difference between call records and data. There are legal parameters which apply to both. Go try and get call records from someone's phone from Verizon. Then go contact Apple and tell them you want the aggregate data from the same phone, unencrypted, and see how that works out for you. Call up Google and tell them you want Trump's complete Internet history unencrypted.

Now Smith may have actual data from that other cellphone (unnamed individual), but we haven't seen it. I have seen some mentions of websites visited and images--but again, we have no confirmation of what he has, nor have we seen it.

This is an exaggerated claim made by left-wing media by journalists who don't understand the technology or the laws.

Smith likely has some call records, and maybe a few things through a leak. I HIGHLY doubt he got any kind of blanked warrant to grab all of Trump's data off his phone, which would include national security secrets, data on other people (including military), etc.
 
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I work in this area

there is a fundamental difference between call records and data.
See the definition.

noun plural

  1. Facts that can be analyzed or used in an effort to gain knowledge or make decisions; information.
  2. Statistics or other information represented in a form suitable for processing by computer.
  3. See datum.
Call records are data. They are facts that can be analyzed to gain knowledge and make decisions.

Smith likely has some call records, and maybe a few things through a leak. I HIGHLY doubt he got any kind of blanked warrant to grab all of Trump's data off his phone, which would include national security secrets, data on other people (including military), etc.
Likely, whoever did this for him had clearances, and things not applicable to any crimes Trump committed or was an accessory to, would not be provided to Smith. I notice that people with knowledge of the legal implications of this, think that it is a serious problem for Trump.
 
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Smith said Trump is now on notice that Expert 1 (none of the experts were identified by name) has “knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education beyond the ordinary lay person regarding the interpretation and visual representation of geographic location data” and can speak to, through analysis of the data, how various individuals moved towards the U.S. Capitol “during and after” Trump’s fateful speech at the Ellipse, which he encouraged his supporters to attend weeks earlier to protest the “stolen” election.

“Be there, will be wild!” Trump tweeted on Dec. 19, 2020, of the “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th.”

On Jan. 6, 2021, Trump told his supporters, “All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”

As Trump told the crowd “you’ll never take back our country with weakness,” encouraged them to “be strong” and “demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated,” he also said “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

“We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore,” Trump said in closing.

Expert 1 will testify about using “software to create a map of the Google location history data […] for Google accounts and devices associated with individuals who moved, on January 6, 2021, from an area at or near the Ellipse to an area encompassing the United States Capitol building,” Smith’s filing said. “His/her testimony will describe and explain the resulting graphical representations of that data, and it will aid the jury in understanding the movements of individuals toward the Capitol area during and after the defendant’s speech at the Ellipse.”

Expert 2 will similarly testify about how people moved during and after Trump’s speech, and about the technical work involved in determining the “approximate location at which a device with Google location history activated was used at a particular time or range of times.”

“The Government expects that Expert 2 will testify about: the process of determining device location; the collection and use of location history data by Google, LLC; and location history data produced in response to a search warrant and included in the graphical representation prepared by Expert 1,” the Special Counsel’s Office said. “His/her testimony will aid the jury in understanding the movements of individuals toward the Capitol area during and after the defendant’s speech at the Ellipse.”

Expert 3’s expected testimony will be about both Trump’s White House cell phone use and that of unidentified Individual-1 after losing the 2020 election. That testimony will likely include details about when Trump’s phone was unlocked and when his Twitter app (now known as X) was open on Jan. 6:


Expert 3 has knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education beyond the ordinary lay person regarding the analysis of cellular phone data, including the use of Twitter and other applications on cell phones. The Government expects that Expert 3 will testify that he/she: (1) extracted and processed data from the White House cell phones used by the defendant and one other individual (Individual 1); (2) reviewed and analyzed data on the defendant’s phone and on Individual 1’s phone, including analyzing images found on the phones and websites visited; (3) determined the usage of these phones throughout the post-election period, including on and around January 6, 2021; and (4) specifically identified the periods of time during which the defendant’s phone was unlocked and the Twitter application was open on January 6.
 
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Smith said Trump is now on notice that Expert 1 (none of the experts were identified by name) has “knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education beyond the ordinary lay person regarding the interpretation and visual representation of geographic location data” and can speak to, through analysis of the data, how various individuals moved towards the U.S. Capitol “during and after” Trump’s fateful speech at the Ellipse, which he encouraged his supporters to attend weeks earlier to protest the “stolen” election.

“Be there, will be wild!” Trump tweeted on Dec. 19, 2020, of the “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th.”

On Jan. 6, 2021, Trump told his supporters, “All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”

As Trump told the crowd “you’ll never take back our country with weakness,” encouraged them to “be strong” and “demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated,” he also said “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

“We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore,” Trump said in closing.

Expert 1 will testify about using “software to create a map of the Google location history data […] for Google accounts and devices associated with individuals who moved, on January 6, 2021, from an area at or near the Ellipse to an area encompassing the United States Capitol building,” Smith’s filing said. “His/her testimony will describe and explain the resulting graphical representations of that data, and it will aid the jury in understanding the movements of individuals toward the Capitol area during and after the defendant’s speech at the Ellipse.”

Expert 2 will similarly testify about how people moved during and after Trump’s speech, and about the technical work involved in determining the “approximate location at which a device with Google location history activated was used at a particular time or range of times.”

“The Government expects that Expert 2 will testify about: the process of determining device location; the collection and use of location history data by Google, LLC; and location history data produced in response to a search warrant and included in the graphical representation prepared by Expert 1,” the Special Counsel’s Office said. “His/her testimony will aid the jury in understanding the movements of individuals toward the Capitol area during and after the defendant’s speech at the Ellipse.”

Expert 3’s expected testimony will be about both Trump’s White House cell phone use and that of unidentified Individual-1 after losing the 2020 election. That testimony will likely include details about when Trump’s phone was unlocked and when his Twitter app (now known as X) was open on Jan. 6:


Expert 3 has knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education beyond the ordinary lay person regarding the analysis of cellular phone data, including the use of Twitter and other applications on cell phones. The Government expects that Expert 3 will testify that he/she: (1) extracted and processed data from the White House cell phones used by the defendant and one other individual (Individual 1); (2) reviewed and analyzed data on the defendant’s phone and on Individual 1’s phone, including analyzing images found on the phones and websites visited; (3) determined the usage of these phones throughout the post-election period, including on and around January 6, 2021; and (4) specifically identified the periods of time during which the defendant’s phone was unlocked and the Twitter application was open on January 6.
yes, that doesn't contradict anything I said

they have call records and location data

they don't have the full, unencrypted contents of Trump's cellphone, along with all his personal data, and communications with officials, friends, etc.

your article makes the false claim, or at the very least suggests, that they have all his data. They don't
 
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So you realize that it's data, after all? You own link says it's data.


Just data from it.


No, it doesn't. It says nothing about "all his data."
As I said: there is a difference between call records and personal user data / application data, etc.

You made the claim "the Trump cell phone data from that day is in Smith's hands" which suggests

1. Jack Smith has all of Trump's data off his cellphone, including user and application data. Not just call records. You didn't say "Jack Smith has obtained some of the data from Trump's cellphone regarding call records".
2. Starting at 2:18 in your video, they reporter from MSNBC claims that Jack Smith has the "Holy Grail" of evidence against Trump, which is Trump's own, personal, cellphone data. There is no confirmation of that anywhere. The guy then says Smith has records of when Trump made calls, opened his Twitter application, turned on his phone, etc. NONE of that constitutes private user data, conversations, unencrypted transmission contents, etc. Knowing when a person turned on their phone, or when they opened Twitter is not the same thing as knowing what the contents of his personal messages are, having recordings of phone conversations, having access to his photo library, etc.

And to be more specific: cellphone call records are NOT "Trump's data" --they are records held by the carrier and can be easily seen by law enforcement.

Now if the investigators seize Trump's phone and hack into it, pulling the actual user data from it, etc. --that is a totally different situation. But that hasn't happened here, so stop saying it has. You are exaggerating
 
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As I said: there is a difference between call records and personal user data / application data, etc.
I get it. You don't realize what "data" means:

noun plural

  1. Facts that can be analyzed or used in an effort to gain knowledge or make decisions; information.
  2. Statistics or other information represented in a form suitable for processing by computer.
  3. See datum.
Call records are data. They are facts that can be analyzed to gain knowledge and make decisions.
You made the claim "the Trump cell phone data from that day is in Smith's hands" which suggests
The linked article pointed this fact out. Now that you know what "data" means, you should understand.
Jack Smith has all of Trump's data off his cellphone
No. It doesn't mean that he has all of it.
Starting at 2:18 in your video, they reporter from MSNBC claims that Jack Smith has the "Holy Grail" of evidence against Trump, which is Trump's own, personal, cellphone data.
From linked article:
Washington — Federal investigators have gained access to White House cellphone records — including a phone used by former President Donald Trump — and could use that information as evidence in the special counsel's 2020 election-related trial, prosecutors revealed late Monday.

While it remains unclear exactly what prosecutors got their hands on and how much the White House cellphone records account for Trump's past online activity, according to special counsel Jack Smith, a technical witness who examined the phone for usage information "throughout the post-election period" might be called to discuss the data during the trial.

(my emphasis) C'mon. They have his phone from the WH (and that data is not personal; the Presidential Records Act makes it clear that such data is the property of the government) and can get from it what there is to get.

But that hasn't happened here, so stop saying it has. You are exaggerating
I'm just mentioning what the article says.

Special counsel Jack Smith has extracted data from the cell phone Donald Trump used while in the White House and plans to present evidence of his findings to a Washington, D.C. jury to demonstrate how Trump used the phone in the weeks during which he attempted to subvert the 2020 election.

In a court filing Monday, Smith indicated that he plans to call an expert witness who extracted and reviewed data copied from Trump’s phone, as well as a phone used by another unidentified individual in Trump’s orbit.

The data from Trump’s phone could reveal day-to-day details of his final weeks in office, including his daily movements, his Twitter habits and any other aides who had access to his accounts and devices. The data, for example, could help show whether Trump personally approved or sent a fateful tweet attacking his vice president, Mike Pence, during the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol.


This data could be very useful to nail down what Trump's role in the Jan. 6 insurrection was.
 
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I get it. You don't realize what "data" means:

noun plural

  1. Facts that can be analyzed or used in an effort to gain knowledge or make decisions; information.
  2. Statistics or other information represented in a form suitable for processing by computer.
  3. See datum.
Call records are data. They are facts that can be analyzed to gain knowledge and make decisions.

The linked article pointed this fact out. Now that you know what "data" means, you should understand.

No. It doesn't mean that he has all of it.

From linked article:
Washington — Federal investigators have gained access to White House cellphone records — including a phone used by former President Donald Trump — and could use that information as evidence in the special counsel's 2020 election-related trial, prosecutors revealed late Monday.

While it remains unclear exactly what prosecutors got their hands on and how much the White House cellphone records account for Trump's past online activity, according to special counsel Jack Smith, a technical witness who examined the phone for usage information "throughout the post-election period" might be called to discuss the data during the trial.

(my emphasis) C'mon. They have his phone from the WH (and that data is not personal; the Presidential Records Act makes it clear that such data is the property of the government) and can get from it what there is to get.


I'm just mentioning what the article says.

Special counsel Jack Smith has extracted data from the cell phone Donald Trump used while in the White House and plans to present evidence of his findings to a Washington, D.C. jury to demonstrate how Trump used the phone in the weeks during which he attempted to subvert the 2020 election.

In a court filing Monday, Smith indicated that he plans to call an expert witness who extracted and reviewed data copied from Trump’s phone, as well as a phone used by another unidentified individual in Trump’s orbit.

The data from Trump’s phone could reveal day-to-day details of his final weeks in office, including his daily movements, his Twitter habits and any other aides who had access to his accounts and devices. The data, for example, could help show whether Trump personally approved or sent a fateful tweet attacking his vice president, Mike Pence, during the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol.


This data could be very useful to nail down what Trump's role in the Jan. 6 insurrection was.
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There is no evidence prosecutors have Trump's personal data, have broken into his cellphone, etc. --they have call records.

every time you post fake news, try to lie to people on this forum, bend the facts, whatever, it is going to get called out
 
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I'm not saying you're a liar. I'm saying you don't know what "data" means. You do seem excessively partisan, however. There's really no rational way to dodge the fact. Your own sources admit it. From your own link:

This person, whom Smith refers to as "Expert 3" in a court filing, "extracted and processed data from the White House cell phones used by the defendant and one other individual (Individual 1)," Smith's filing said. Expert 3 also "specifically identified the periods of time during which the defendant's phone was unlocked and the Twitter application was open on January 6."

The filing also says the witness "reviewed and analyzed data on the defendant's phone and on Individual 1's phone, including analyzing images found on the phones and websites visited."


BTW, it's a bad idea here to call people liars. I won't report you, but someone else might.
 
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