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Anyone notice that many people are scientifically illiterate

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Bradskii

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What I do find surprising is that Darwin's racist and genocidal attitudes are ignored by much of the scientific community.
Pythagoras was cruel to animals. Newton was a sexist. Leibniz couldn't hold a tune.

The square on the hypotenuse is still equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides. Every action still has an equal and opposite reaction. And an indefinite integral F is still obtained as the integral of f over an interval with a variable upper bound (I had to look that one up).

If you prefer to believe biblical accounts of creation and ignore the scientific explanations of why we are here, then pointing out that Darwin thought that being an Englishman was a distinct moral advantage over other people is utterly, completely and totally irrelevant.
 
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So what theory was relevant before this guy?
I don't know what the point of your question is but here is the history of climate change science which can be described as a work in progress where current improvements are seen in the use of ever increasingly powerful supercomputers resulting in greater accuracy in the predictions made by climate change models.

 
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I did not deny climate change exists either
You've been questioning the cause. You are free to accept the scientific finding that it's man made or reject it. You can stand here with those that do accept it (all those countries that signed on to the agreement) or stand with those three that don't.
 
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I don't know what the point of your question is but here is the history of climate change science which can be described as a work in progress where current improvements are seen in the use of ever increasingly powerful supercomputers resulting in greater accuracy in the predictions made by climate change models.

Thank you. It appears this has been an issue naturally
 
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Yes imo science isn't omniscient. Seems that really gets under others skin.
Then what I said earlier stands. You can stand with those who are determined to find ways to solve the problem. Or stand over there with Yemen.
 
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Thank you. It appears this has been an issue naturally
In the past it was about natural warming and cooling but not so today.
As I pointed out in post #212, the signature for human induced climate warming is lower stratospheric cooling, natural climate warming cannot cause the lower stratosphere to cool.

This was a prediction made in the 1960s which has been subsequently confirmed by satellite measurements.
This is an example of how science works.
 
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Then what I said earlier stands. You can stand with those who are determined to find ways to solve the problem. Or stand over there with Yemen.
I will stand where I stand thank you. There is a habit of forcing others where you think they should be if they don't agree with you.
 
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I will stand where I stand thank you. There is a habit of forcing others where you think they should be if they don't agree with you.
Darn right it's a habit. You either agree with me or you do not. I like to know who actually appreciates the problem and who I can rely on to help solve it. You don't have to move. So you can stand wherever you like. But it won't be with me.
 
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Eugenics was founded on Darwinian principles. The word was coined by Francis Galton, a cousin of Darwin. Eugenics was promoted by the Nazis

"During the Nazi era in Germany, eugenics prompted the sterilisation of several hundred thousand people then helped lead to antisemitic programmes of euthanasia and ultimately, of course, to the death camps." Quote from the National Library of Medicine, 'Eugenics and Human Rights', Prof. Daniel J Kevles.

The Creationist v science argument is a false dichotomy. The question is not whether Creationism is scientific but whether or not it is true. If Creationism is true, then evolution is false.

"Equally evolved"? What does that mean? Some people are born with a stronger physical frame than others, some are more intelligent, some have darker skin, some are prone to baldness, some are shortsighted and so on. "Equally evolved" plainly does not mean everyone is the same. The Bible says that humanity is unique, which it is, and is made in the image of God.

"With the tongue we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, this should not be!…" James 3:9 & 10

There is no room for eugenics in God's creation. Darwin was racist and believed in the superiority of some races. This is a logical conclusion from evolution. I agree that Darwin was opposed to slavery. However, he promoted genocide, not exactly a superior philosophy.

'In 1881, toward the end of his life, Charles Darwin wrote to a colleague that the “more civilised so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.”' (Darwin writing to William Graham 3rd July 1881)

Also, "The Descent of Man" (1871), where he claimed, “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races." Darwin saw this as a good thing, not evil.

There are many more references to Darwin's racism, which was not unusual for the time. That the Nazis embraced the same philosophy is hardly surprising. What I do find surprising is that Darwin's racist and genocidal attitudes are ignored by much of the scientific community.
It's pretty simple.
You grossly misrepresent Darwin.

And even if he werimes worse than your
Chick tract cartoon, the science is sound.

Also simple-
Science got it right; creationism is 100% wrong.
Every detail. Zero evidence for any of it.

Few creationists are educated enough to grasp that.
If they were they'd mostly no longer be creationists,
because it's impossible to be an educated yec with integrity.

Integrity matters to some people.

Any educated person knows there's no more place for eugenics in the theory of evolution then there is in church.
And they could explain why. Unlike those who make things up, like " good thing" and "genocidal attitude", and think
that scurrilous attacks on man somehow could invalidate
a theory- a thoroughly uneducated notion, btw.


The ignorant perfer polemics to fact, or else
they'd have some education.

People with education and integrity are in a good position.
They don't need to make things up, when facts are the topic. And they avoid falsehood anyway as a matter of character; the religious ones my also take seriously
words against bearing false witness.

Ignorance is no excuse for falsehoods
No more than there's an excuse for being ignorant here.

By any comparison, the creationists as represented in your post put on a shabby and disgraceful display.
 
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I am asking a simple question.

What I am questioning is the cause of global warming, from it's beginning. What are the reasons as science has said. It is very simple.

But, I was told there were expectations that did not get met? So something must have been off on whatever those expectations were based. I can't agree (maybe I am to stupid) how that is either without integrity on the part of either of us.
I don't think you are stupid but you are not
tracking much of what i said, as shown by the
irrelevance of your response.
 
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So what theory was relevant before this guy?

I don't know and it doesn't matter. Of what use is a theory of climatology before the development of meteorology?

If you really care about early historical ideas about glaciation, you could look into a pioneer of the field:
Louis Agassiz - Wikipedia
 
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It's pretty simple.
You grossly misrepresent Darwin.

And even if he werimes worse than your
Chick tract cartoon, the science is sound.

Also simple-
Science got it right; creationism is 100% wrong.
Every detail. Zero evidence for any of it.

Few creationists are educated enough to grasp that.
If they were they'd mostly no longer be creationists,
because it's impossible to be an educated yec with integrity.

Integrity matters to some people.

Any educated person knows there's no more place for eugenics in the theory of evolution then there is in church.
And they could explain why. Unlike those who make things up, like " good thing" and "genocidal attitude", and think
that scurrilous attacks on man somehow could invalidate
a theory- a thoroughly uneducated notion, btw.


The ignorant perfer polemics to fact, or else
they'd have some education.

People with education and integrity are in a good position.
They don't need to make things up, when facts are the topic. And they avoid falsehood anyway as a matter of character; the religious ones my also take seriously
words against bearing false witness.

Ignorance is no excuse for falsehoods
No more than there's an excuse for being ignorant here.

By any comparison, the creationists as represented in your post put on a shabby and disgraceful display.
I am so sorry you are so bothered at my stupidity, and shabby display. Just no excuse for it. My lack of integrity of making stuff up.
I am so stupid I did not realize asking a question was that? oops no excuse for that here.
 
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What an ironic way to demonstrate the gist of the OP. There was no natural immunity to Covid. It was a new disease.
Coronavirus new?

Laodicean60 said:
It's amazing how science had forgotten about natural immunity, especially during covid.

How many vaccines and boosters were pushed down our throats after the first? What happened to natural immunity?
 
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I don't know and it doesn't matter.
You don't know if there were other scientific theories before this one? But I am stupid, since I think it would be relevant if the educated at one time were wrong or irrelevant in the past.
Of what use is a theory of climatology before the development of meteorology?

If you really care about early historical ideas about glaciation, you could look into a pioneer of the field:
Louis Agassiz - Wikipedia
I was concerned about the educated class and their thoughts at various times. So far all I have been able to discern is natural occurrence in the past.
 
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I am so sorry you are so bothered at my stupidity, and shabby display. Just no excuse for it. My lack of integrity of making stuff up.
I am so stupid I did not realize asking a question was that? oops no excuse for that here.
Why are you responding so to a post that makes no reference to you?
 
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I don't know what the point of your question is but here is the history of climate change science which can be described as a work in progress where current improvements are seen in the use of ever increasingly powerful supercomputers resulting in greater accuracy in the predictions made by climate change models.
Expanding further on supercomputers and climate models.

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The increase in computational capacity of supercomputers has allowed climate scientists to develop increasingly more complicated climate models.

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This includes climate models of ever increasing resolution.

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