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'Gay is slay': Seattle middle schoolers forced to send hate mail to Moms for Liberty

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It's not "hate" when parents want their children to have traditional Christian values. It is NOT "hate" when parents don't want schools shoving the LGBTQ agenda down the throats of their children.
Who is stopping any parents from raising their kids with traditional Christian values?

How are you raising your kids? Is it according to your beliefs and values?
 
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It's not "hate" when parents want their children to have traditional Christian values. It is NOT "hate" when parents don't want schools shoving the LGBTQ agenda down the throats of their children.
So schools should ignore the actual legal landscape that lies before them?
SCOTUS has ruled that LGBTQIA+ people are protected by the 1964 CRA and are to be accorded all rights due them.
It took a decade for Brown v Board of Education to filter down through to local school districts too.
 
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So schools should ignore the actual legal landscape that lies before them?
SCOTUS has ruled that LGBTQIA+ people are protected by the 1964 CRA and are to be accorded all rights due them.
It took a decade for Brown v Board of Education to filter down through to local school districts too.
That doesn't have anything to do with LGBTQIA+ ideology being taught in public schools. All that needs to be taught is that everyone should be treated equally and properly.
 
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That doesn't have anything to do with LGBTQIA+ ideology being taught in public schools. All that needs to be taught is that everyone should be treated equally and properly.
And schools are doing that, which MFL takes as having LGBTQIA+ issues shoved down children’s throats.
The loss of privilege looks like persecution to the formerly advantaged.
 
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The SPLC is a joke. The SPLC has consistently labeled conservative organizations as being hate groups. The SPLC is a very biased organization that leans strongly to leftists ideology.


As for the LGBTQTIA agenda, it has been well documented. I am not going to waste any time looking that up because even when the agenda is shown to liberals and leftists, there's a tendency for them to either agree with it or say it ain't a big deal.

Having and practicing a homosexual and/or transsexual lifestyle should not be considered normal. And it not be provided as an acceptable lifestyle to pre-adolescent children.


May the love, grace, mercy, and blessings of the Savior... the Lord Jesus Christ be upon you all.
 
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That doesn't have anything to do with LGBTQIA+ ideology being taught in public schools. All that needs to be taught is that everyone should be treated equally and properly.

If everyone should be treated equally, why is Mom's For Liberty pushing to have libraries remove books with anything other than heteronormative content?

Doesn't seem very equal or proper.
 
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Who is stopping any parents from raising their kids with traditional Christian values?

To be fair, if attempting to use the power of the state to enforce one's random opinions on other peoples' children is part of their traditional values, opposing this might feel like a violation of their religious freedoms.

Not that anyone should care about those feelings when making public policy, of course. But it might offer some explanation.
 
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If everyone should be treated equally, why is Mom's For Liberty pushing to have libraries remove books with anything other than heteronormative content?
I guess an argument could be made that all children will equally get to learn that only heterosexuality is normal? Not to be confused with an argument to take seriously, of course.
 
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If everyone should be treated equally, why is Mom's For Liberty pushing to have libraries remove books with anything other than heteronormative content?

Doesn't seem very equal or proper.
Well one reason is in elementary schools some contain material that's too obscene to be read out loud by a parent during school board meetings. I don't want to get a warning for posting a video of that so folks can take their pick: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=parent+reading+book+at+school+board+meeting

Now when I was in high school around 1977/78 I remember a paperback novel in the school library about gay students. So such material has been available in high schools for at least 45 years.

Edit - I actually tracked it down: Trying Hard to Hear You (1974) by Sandra Scoppettone
 
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And schools are doing that, which MFL takes as having LGBTQIA+ issues shoved down children’s throats.
The loss of privilege looks like persecution to the formerly advantaged.
Elementary school students can be taught to treat everyone equally and fairly, without being immersed in the ideology of a particular group. If an emphasis is being put on LGBTQIA+ that's not equality. The only way to make things equal would be to either drop the emphasis on LGBTQIA+ or put an equal emphasis on each and every individual group in society.
 
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Elementary school students can be taught to treat everyone equally and fairly, without being immersed in the ideology of a particular group. If an emphasis is being put on LGBTQIA+ that's not equality. The only way to make things equal would be to either drop the emphasis on LGBTQIA+ or put an equal emphasis on each and every individual group in society.
But recent (2015 onward) SCOTUS decisions have affected the legal bearing of LGBTQIA+ people and the schools are simply reflecting those legal realities in what they feel they need to inform their students on.
 
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But recent (2015 onward) SCOTUS decisions have affected the legal bearing of LGBTQIA+ people and the schools are simply reflecting those legal realities in what they feel they need to inform their students on.
No, such "classes" are activist courses. It doesn't take long to tell kids to try and treat others without bias, a class on the subject is not needed. Teachers should be teaching English and math and not their spin on Supreme Court decisions.
 
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But recent (2015 onward) SCOTUS decisions have affected the legal bearing of LGBTQIA+ people and the schools are simply reflecting those legal realities in what they feel they need to inform their students on.
That can be achieved without immersing elementary school children in LGBTQIA+ ideology and without extensively promoting LGBTQIA+ in public elementary schools.
 
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Well one reason is in elementary schools some contain material that's too obscene to be read out loud by a parent during school board meetings.

Find me the obscenity in And Tango Makes Three - a book about the real story of two male penguins raising a chick. Moms For Liberty seems to think it's worthy of a ban.

Find me obscenity in Alma and How She Got Her Name. Or in Lubna and Pebble, or Plenty of Hugs, or Two Dads, or Worm Loves Worm.
 
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Elementary school students can be taught to treat everyone equally and fairly, without being immersed in the ideology of a particular group. If an emphasis is being put on LGBTQIA+ that's not equality. The only way to make things equal would be to either drop the emphasis on LGBTQIA+ or put an equal emphasis on each and every individual group in society.

This sounds pretty reasonable to me, actually. Teach kids to treat everyone equally and fairly, even people who are different from you. So, yes, teach kids to treat their gay and gender-diverse classmates and teachers with respect. And, to treat their classmates of other ethnicities or nationalities with respect. And their classmates of other religions. And their classmates of other economic backgrounds. I agree that fairness and respect should extend to a wide variety of groups, not just LGBTQIA+ people.

As students move into high school, we'll need to talk about the larger history of what makes things difficult, things like Jim Crow and pogroms and the Trail of Tears. But for elementary kids, emphasizing fairness and respect towards people who are different from you is a great starting point.
 
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This sounds pretty reasonable to me, actually. Teach kids to treat everyone equally and fairly, even people who are different from you. So, yes, teach kids to treat their gay and gender-diverse classmates and teachers with respect. And, to treat their classmates of other ethnicities or nationalities with respect. And their classmates of other religions. And their classmates of other economic backgrounds. I agree that fairness and respect should extend to a wide variety of groups, not just LGBTQIA+ people.

As students move into high school, we'll need to talk about the larger history of what makes things difficult, things like Jim Crow and pogroms and the Trail of Tears. But for elementary kids, emphasizing fairness and respect towards people who are different from you is a great starting point.
What I don't get is the idea of not bullying anyone is supposed to be some new revolutionary teaching in elementary schools. I was taught that more than 50 years ago, and I'm sure you were taught it as well when you were in elementary school.
 
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Well one reason is in elementary schools some contain material that's too obscene to be read out loud by a parent during school board meetings.
To be fair, there are large chunks of the Bible too obscene to be read out loud by a parent during school board meetings, but oddly enough Moms for Liberty isn't trying to get that removed.
 
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Find me the obscenity in And Tango Makes Three - a book about the real story of two male penguins raising a chick. Moms For Liberty seems to think it's worthy of a ban.

Find me obscenity in Alma and How She Got Her Name. Or in Lubna and Pebble, or Plenty of Hugs, or Two Dads, or Worm Loves Worm.
It's doubtful the objection to those books being in elementary school libraries is limited to Moms For Liberty. It's very likely that quite a large number of parents overall consider those books inappropriate for elementary schools. Those books are obviously about sexuality, and there are probably no books about sexuality on that level that are really appropriate for little children.
 
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It's doubtful the objection to those books being in elementary school libraries is limited to Moms For Liberty. It's very likely that quite a large number of parents overall consider those books inappropriate for elementary schools. Those books are obviously about sexuality, and there are probably no books about sexuality on that level that are really appropriate for little children.
It's obvious you know nothing about the books because two of them have nothing to do with LGBT issues or identity at all. Plenty of Hugs and Two Dads and even Tango Makes Three are about loving families, it just happens that the parents are of the same gender. Work loves worm might be borderline, but honestly it just seems silly.
 
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To be fair, there are large chunks of the Bible too obscene to be read out loud by a parent during school board meetings, but oddly enough Moms for Liberty isn't trying to get that removed.
It's highly unlikely that that's limited to Moms For Liberty, but rather there's a huge number of parents overall who don't want certain books in elementary schools, including the Bible. And it's likely there are a large number of books deemed inappropriate for elementary that virtually no one is campaigning to have installed.
 
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