Controversial Teddy B ear Teachings

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

rambot said:
Ahhh yes. Using their philosophy against them.

My philosophy as you put is, learn a little bit about the topic rather than operate in complete ignorance. Or do you want this thread to be 80 pages of me Googling the answers to endless questions?

A2SG · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
No I'm bring up things I took a bit of time to learn about. The way you seem to operate, is if the discussion was about bicycle riding you'd constantly be asking questions like "what's a bicycle? Can you prove bicycles exist? How do you know you're supposed to peddle a bicycle to make it move, and can you prove that?" etc etc ad nauseum.

Have I asked you for basic, factual information like that?

No. I simply asked you to back up claims you made that did not seem credible to me. If you're unwilling to do that, I can only conclude that you're unable to, and will take those claims as seriously as that suggests.

If you're content to leave your arguments there, so am I.

-- A2SG, no skin off my nose, really....

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

rambot said:
No. They're normalized.

What's normalized mean? Can you back up that claim?

rambot said:
And someday I hope to live in a world where everyone understands that gender is a man made social construct.

What's a man made social construct? Can you provide evidence that man made constructs exist and furthermore provide evidence to support your claim that it's a man made construct?

rambot said:
Someday.

What does someday mean? Next week, next moth, next year? And please provide evidence to back up your explanation.

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

A2SG said:
Hey, if he doesn't take the conspiracy theory seriously enough to do the research himself, why would I?

What's a conspiracy theory? Can you provide proof to support your claim of a conspiracy theory?

A2SG said:
-- A2SG, got a turkey dinner to get prepared for, after all....

Do you have any proof of your claim that you have a turkey dinner to prepare? Until you do I'll remain skeptical of so called turkey dinners.

ViaCrucis · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Yeah but in this case it's telling an apple that it can be an orange, or an orange and banana combination, or a fruit salad, or asparagus or lots of things that are contrary to God's design. I really don't get that kind of ungodly worldliness receiving so much support from Christians. Especially when it comes to little kids. I don't get Christians being so in support of what's obviously Satan spreading as much confusion, chaos and deception as possible. But to each their own I suppose.

It seems to me that what is happening is someone is telling an orange that it has to be an apple or a banana, that it can't be an orange because oranges shouldn't exist. The apple is an apple, the banana is a banana. If it is an orange than it was always an orange--even if other people insist on telling it that it has to be an apple.

It is not telling an apple to be an orange; it is telling an orange that it has to either be an apple or banana because only apples and bananas exist and oranges don't, or shouldn't.

You are saying an orange can't be an orange because oranges don't or shouldn't exist--even though oranges are oranges, not apples or bananas.

-CryptoLutheran

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

A2SG said:
Have I asked you for basic, factual information like that?

No. I simply asked you to back up claims you made that did not seem credible to me. If you're unwilling to do that, I can only conclude that you're unable to, and will take those claims as seriously as that suggests.

If you're content to leave your arguments there, so am I.

-- A2SG, no skin off my nose, really....

I already Googled and posted a bunch of citation for you and provided you with learning materials. And without charging you a tutoring fee.

ViaCrucis · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Certainly it's man made rather than God made. Because God made us male and female and heterosexual, period end of story. Anything else is a gross distortion brought on by the fallen nature of man.

Did you notice that in Genesis it doesn't say "God made them male and female, and nothing else"? Also, we would agree that God made all animals and plants, right? Including snails and fish and other creatures that express sexual fluidity, yes?

I don't think you have a biblical argument, I think you have a personal opinion that you want to force upon Scripture in order to create a semblance of divine authority.

The natural order of creation presents us with a deep complexity of living things. Human beings, as part of the natural order, are very likely to also be complex.

Scripture never says "there is only male and female". That isn't a biblical claim. It is also a claim that is contrary to observed reality where it is obvious that not everyone and everything fits.

If we take the Bible seriously, if we take God's Revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ seriously, if we take our religion seriously, how can we ever justify turning toward our neighbor and say, "Your existence is wrong, you shouldn't exist."?

And that is exactly what is happening. "You shouldn't exist". It's not saying "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", it's saying, "You are, yourself, wrong, a mistake, something that shouldn't exist." That's not calling sin sin, that is itself sinful--it is denying in my neighbor the Divine Image. And what does Scripture say about this?

"So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things.

How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of injustice. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, or reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth comes blessing and cursing. My brothers, this should not be so." - James 3:5-10

And concerning the Divine Commandments of God, what has the Apostle written?

"For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by another." - Galatians 5:13-15

To despise my neighbor is not of God, that is my flesh. That is the "law of sin that dwells in my members" (Romans 7:23).

Here is a gross distortion and perversion: That we who have been called out of the darkness and into the marvelous light of Christ, to deny our flesh, take up our cross and follow Christ should betray Him, and fight against the Holy Spirit, by doubling down in our flesh to despise others, to treat others with cruelty, to hold grudges, to slander, and to think evil thoughts of others in our hearts.

Thus the finger of condemnation turns toward us, and the Law condemns us as sinners. Telling us to repent, to confess our sins. St. John reminding us, "If we say we have no sin then we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, but if we confess our sin then God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Great is our sin.
Greater still is God's grace.

The Penitential Prayer:
"Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved You with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry and we humbly repent. For the sake of Your Son Jesus Christ, have mercy on us and forgive us; that we may delight in Your will, and walk in Your ways, to the glory of Your Name. Amen."

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

-CryptoLutheran

A2SG · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
What's a conspiracy theory? Can you provide proof to support your claim of a conspiracy theory?

Sure. A conspiracy theory is a theory that a conspiracy of some kind exists. Absent evidence, such theories can be dismissed as specious if they don't seem credible.

Ordinary Christian said:
Do you have any proof of your claim that you have a turkey dinner to prepare? Until you do I'll remain skeptical of so called turkey dinners.

No problem. I accept your skepticism.

-- A2SG, it seems credible to me....

A2SG · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
I already Googled and posted a bunch of citation for you and provided you with learning materials. And without charging you a tutoring fee.

Well, you posted a list of gender identities, and I had no problem with them. You didn't support your claim that it's being presented to little kids, though, so that claim remains specious.

-- A2SG, if you're fine with leaving that there, so am I....

Pommer · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Yeah but in this case it's telling an apple that it can be an orange, or an orange and banana combination, or a fruit salad, or asparagus or lots of things that are contrary to God's design. I really don't get that kind of ungodly worldliness receiving so much support from Christians. Especially when it comes to little kids. I don't get Christians being so in support of what's obviously Satan spreading as much confusion, chaos and deception as possible. But to each their own I suppose.

Wow, I didn’t know they were such dramatic differences between the genders!

The truth is that gender “happens” in the brain.
The parts (penis/vulva) emerge firstly, then after some weeks the brain is wired to accommodate these “parts”.
99.4% of the time it’s all hunky-dory, but for 0.6% something “goes wrong” and the brain is expecting to see the opposite parts the body it is housed in, sports.
If the 99.4% of us have any compassion for the 0.6% of us who have this condition, then we should be okay to inform both the 99.4% of the children that they’re “okay” and assure the 0.6% that we know about their condition and it’s “okay”, and we’ve learned not to be mean to them, anymore.

rambot · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
What's a man made social construct?

A man made social construct is a social construct that is man made; usually these arise from a certain cultural context. For example, the understanding that women should be at the home; the idea that men should never cry. There is no inherent biological reason for those things to be true and yet society accepted these things to be associated with a certain sex. The idea that a woman with a REALLY long neck is more physically attractive has led to this:

This is a social construct.

Though your post seemed to be a bit like goading, I had a bunch of other stuff typed up but I was worried they would end up being distractions from actually on topic information.

Belk · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Which doesn't occur in mammalian biology.

While it is less common in mammals it does still occur.

Ordinary Christian said:
History is stacked with examples of humans being programmed to feel a certain way, so sci-fi robots are superfluous in that regard.

Robot examples in sci-fi are generally a reflection of the human condition and an exploration of fundamental philosophical questions so while you are correct I think it is a useful litar

rambot · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
History is stacked with examples of humans being programmed to feel a certain way...

And yet folks can't grasp that gender is a social construct......

SimplyMe · Nov 23, 2023

ViaCrucis said:
Did you notice that in Genesis it doesn't say "God made them male and female, and nothing else"? Also, we would agree that God made all animals and plants, right? Including snails and fish and other creatures that express sexual fluidity, yes?

I don't think you have a biblical argument, I think you have a personal opinion that you want to force upon Scripture in order to create a semblance of divine authority.

The natural order of creation presents us with a deep complexity of living things. Human beings, as part of the natural order, are very likely to also be complex.

Scripture never says "there is only male and female". That isn't a biblical claim. It is also a claim that is contrary to observed reality where it is obvious that not everyone and everything fits.

If we take the Bible seriously, if we take God's Revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ seriously, if we take our religion seriously, how can we ever justify turning toward our neighbor and say, "Your existence is wrong, you shouldn't exist."?

And that is exactly what is happening. "You shouldn't exist". It's not saying "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", it's saying, "You are, yourself, wrong, a mistake, something that shouldn't exist." That's not calling sin sin, that is itself sinful--it is denying in my neighbor the Divine Image. And what does Scripture say about this?

"So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things.

How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of injustice. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, or reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth comes blessing and cursing. My brothers, this should not be so." - James 3:5-10

And concerning the Divine Commandments of God, what has the Apostle written?

"For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by another." - Galatians 5:13-15

To despise my neighbor is not of God, that is my flesh. That is the "law of sin that dwells in my members" (Romans 7:23).

Here is a gross distortion and perversion: That we who have been called out of the darkness and into the marvelous light of Christ, to deny our flesh, take up our cross and follow Christ should betray Him, and fight against the Holy Spirit, by doubling down in our flesh to despise others, to treat others with cruelty, to hold grudges, to slander, and to think evil thoughts of others in our hearts.

Thus the finger of condemnation turns toward us, and the Law condemns us as sinners. Telling us to repent, to confess our sins. St. John reminding us, "If we say we have no sin then we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, but if we confess our sin then God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Great is our sin.
Greater still is God's grace.

The Penitential Prayer:
"Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved You with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry and we humbly repent. For the sake of Your Son Jesus Christ, have mercy on us and forgive us; that we may delight in Your will, and walk in Your ways, to the glory of Your Name. Amen."

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

-CryptoLutheran

It's worth adding Matthew 19, which appears to reinforce what you are stating. In talking about divorce, Christ makes the oft quote statement, "4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’". Of course, what gets left behind is verse 12 "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven."

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

rambot said:
And yet folks can't grasp that gender is a social construct......

Therefore?

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

rambot said:
A man made social construct is a social construct that is man made; usually these arise from a certain cultural context. For example, the understanding that women should be at the home; the idea that men should never cry. There is no inherent biological reason for those things to be true and yet society accepted these things to be associated with a certain sex. The idea that a woman with a REALLY long neck is more physically attractive has led to this:
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This is a social construct.

Though your post seemed to be a bit like goading, I had a bunch of other stuff typed up but I was worried they would end up being distractions from actually on topic information.

I thought I'd try out asking questions instead of discussing. What I'm actually interested in is your conclusion regarding social construct.

rambot · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Therefore?

Therefore, they are wrong.

What do you mean?

rambot · Nov 23, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
I thought I'd try out asking questions instead of discussing. What I'm actually interested in is your conclusion regarding social construct.

OK. We'll I gave you a starting point there

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

Pommer said:
Wow, I didn’t know they were such dramatic differences between the genders!

The truth is that gender “happens” in the brain.
The parts (penis/vulva) emerge firstly, then after some weeks the brain is wired to accommodate these “parts”.
99.4% of the time it’s all hunky-dory, but for 0.6% something “goes wrong” and the brain is expecting to see the opposite parts the body it is housed in, sports.
If the 99.4% of us have any compassion for the 0.6% of us who have this condition, then we should be okay to inform both the 99.4% of the children that they’re “okay” and assure the 0.6% that we know about their condition and it’s “okay”, and we’ve learned not to be mean to them, anymore.

And do you know how many genders there are supposed to be and what they're called and the various combinations thereof?

Servus · Nov 23, 2023

rambot said:
Therefore, they are wrong.

What do you mean?

Could you elaborate as to how they're wrong and what conclusion can be drawn from that? That would be the starting point of the position you're maintaining, providing a foundation to be agreed or disagreed upon.

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