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[Margaret3110]

I don't mean to be too intrusive and feel free to put me in my place but, how long ago was your experience?

4-5 years. I know a lot has happened since then ...

But I hope you understand that is absolutely not happenning. Doctors don't do surgeries to kids who are "just confused". Never ever ever. As far as I know the Dutch Protocol is the recommended treatment when someone presents with a desire to be transgender. It involves a sizeable amount of psychological support and investigation to ensure that a child is not MERELY "confused".

I think my concerns have more to do with how gender is being viewed in our society as a whole and the ultimate ramifications of that. I do believe we human beings were created male and female. There are exceptions and variations on that, obviously, but I don't agree with scrapping the whole gender binary and that is what I see happening.

Now if you believe the gender binary is socially constructed and has no real value, then of course you won't worry about any of this.

 

[rambot]

4-5 years. I know a lot has happened since then ...

I think my concerns have more to do with how gender is being viewed in our society as a whole and the ultimate ramifications of that. I do believe we human beings were created male and female. There are exceptions and variations on that, obviously, but I don't agree with scrapping the whole gender binary and that is what I see happening.

Now if you believe the gender binary is socially constructed and has no real value, then of course you won't worry about any of this.

Well, there is a difference between "sex" and "gender" and it's not a matter of "believing" gender is socially constructed. The definition of "gender" is that it is a "socially constructed expression or understanding of sex"; gender IS socially constructed.

I understand that this idea is worrying and I don't think it's that helpful for people but I truly don't think it's destructive because it isn't going against what "God Created"....because again, gender (specifically) IS man made.

I'm appreciating our conversation. Thank you.

 

[ViaCrucis]

What do you think nonbinary and genderfluid means?

At my shop you can buy an apple and a banana. We also have oranges for sale at my shop.

Does the existence of oranges make apples and bananas disappear? You can still have an apple. And you can still have a banana. It's just that there are also oranges. There isn't just apples and bananas. In fact there are a lot of different kinds of fruit. There are peaches, plums, cherries, avocados, even tomatoes are a fruit. But there are still apples and bananas.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Servus]

At my shop you can buy an apple and a banana. We also have oranges for sale at my shop.

Does the existence of oranges make apples and bananas disappear? You can still have an apple. And you can still have a banana. It's just that there are also oranges. There isn't just apples and bananas. In fact there are a lot of different kinds of fruit. There are peaches, plums, cherries, avocados, even tomatoes are a fruit. But there are still apples and bananas.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah but in this case it's telling an apple that it can be an orange, or an orange and banana combination, or a fruit salad, or asparagus or lots of things that are contrary to God's design. I really don't get that kind of ungodly worldliness receiving so much support from Christians. Especially when it comes to little kids. I don't get Christians being so in support of what's obviously Satan spreading as much confusion, chaos and deception as possible. But to each their own I suppose.

 

[A2SG]

Yeah but in this case it's telling an apple that it can be an orange, or an orange and banana combination, or a fruit salad, or asparagus or lots of things that are contrary to God's design.

If the apple feels, on the inside, that they are really a banana, on what basis do you claim they're wrong? How do you know what the apple feels like?

As to God's design....if God is infinite and omnipotent, I'm sure he can find a way to adjust. Seems to me we've deviated from his design quite a few times over the years. He should be used to that by now.

I really don't get that kind of ungodly worldliness receiving so much support from Christians. Especially when it comes to little kids. I don't get Christians being so in support of what's obviously Satan spreading as much confusion and chaos as possible. But to each their own I suppose.

Again, the assumption that something is being done to little kids. I've yet to see any evidence to suggest little kids are being subjected to anything nefarious regarding gender and/or sex. Even at an early age, kids know there's a difference between boys and girls, and many of them also may realize that they don't feel, on the inside, like they look on the outside. Why do you insist on telling them they're wrong to feel this way? How do you know?

How would you react if someone told you it was wrong to feel that you believe in God?

-- A2SG, something tells me you wouldn't react positively to that.....

 

[Servus]

Just wanted to point out that fish changing gender is a not uncommon occurrence.

Which doesn't occur in mammalian biology.

Also robot characters being programmed to feel a certain way is a common sci Fi trope.

History is stacked with examples of humans being programmed to feel a certain way, so sci-fi robots are superfluous in that regard.

 

[A2SG]

History is stacked with examples of humans being programmed to feel a certain way, so sci-fi robots are superfluous in that regard.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of examples of people being "programmed" to feel differently than they normally do (aka brainwashing) fails over time. It just isn't all that easy to convince someone they're something they're not.

Which is why conversion therapy doesn't work very well to change someone's sexual orientation.

If someone doesn't actually feel they're the wrong gender, you simply can't convince them they are. And the same for the reverse. Not long term.

So, I don't buy this idea that people are out there trying to convince kids (or anyone else) they're transgender when they really aren't. It isn't all that easy a thing to do. It seems a lot more reasonable to think that those people who say they're transgender....really are.

-- A2SG, try it yourself....see how long you can convince yourself you're something you're not.....

 

[Servus]

I think you'll find that the vast majority of examples of people being "programmed" to feel differently than they normally do (aka brainwashing) fails over time. It just isn't all that easy to convince someone they're something they're not.

Which is why conversion therapy doesn't work very well to change someone's sexual orientation.

If someone doesn't actually feel they're the wrong gender, you simply can't convince them they are. And the same for the reverse. Not long term.

So, I don't buy this idea that people are out there trying to convince kids (or anyone else) they're transgender when they really aren't. It isn't all that easy a thing to do. It seems a lot more reasonable to think that those people who say they're transgender....really are.

-- A2SG, try it yourself....see how long you can convince yourself you're something you're not.....

According to LGBTQQIP2SAA+ sources there are over 70 genders and over 50 sexual orientations and multiple combinations thereof. Which is what is being taught to little kids lately.

 

[A2SG]

According to LGBTQQIP2SAA+ sources

Who are these sources?

there are over 70 genders and over 50 sexual orientations and multiple combinations thereof.

Okay. So what? People come in all varieties. I, personally, prefer to think of sexuality more as a spectrum than a list, so I suppose it could be as wide a spectrum as anyone would like. People are individuals, after all.

Which is what is being taught to little kids lately.

What exactly is being taught, and how, exactly, is this information disseminated?

I know I sound like a broken record here, asking for sources and evidence and all that...but I hear many wild claims on these forums (and elsewhere), and there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there, especially from the right wing blogosphere and echo chamber (and not just from Faux News these days), so it would help to get specific information. That way, I can verify these things actually happen; otherwise I have no reason to believe these wild, absurd sounding claims.

I tend to be skeptical, to be honest.

-- A2SG, I know, hard to tell from my demeanor here.....

 

[Servus]

Who are these sources?


Okay. So what? People come in all varieties. I, personally, prefer to think of sexuality more as a spectrum than a list, so I suppose it could be as wide a spectrum as anyone would like. People are individuals, after all.


What exactly is being taught, and how, exactly, is this information disseminated?

I know I sound like a broken record here, asking for sources and evidence and all that...but I hear many wild claims on these forums (and elsewhere), and there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there, especially from the right wing blogosphere and echo chamber (and not just from Faux News these days), so it would help to get specific information. That way, I can verify these things actually happen; otherwise I have no reason to believe these wild, absurd sounding claims.

I tend to be skeptical, to be honest.

-- A2SG, I know, hard to tell from my demeanor here.....

Go to Google or whatever search engine you prefer.

Type in "how many genders are there?" or similar.

Then pick sources that are LGBTQIA2+ or promotes LGBTQIA2+ and read the information provided.

Such as:

How Many Genders Are There? List of Gender Identities

Explore the spectrum of gender identities with clear definitions and inclusive insights for all audiences.

www.sexualdiversity.org

Pretty soon you'll know as much as I do, which was achieved by using this process. If you actually know about things, then you can engage in an actual discussion, instead of constantly asking questions.

 

[A2SG]

Go to Google or whatever search engine you prefer.

Type in "how many genders are there?" or similar.

Then pick sources that are LGBTQIA2+ or promotes LGBTQIA2+ and read the information provided.

Such as:

How Many Genders Are There? List of Gender Identities

Explore the spectrum of gender identities with clear definitions and inclusive insights for all audiences.

www.sexualdiversity.org

Pretty soon you'll know as much as I do, which was achieved by using this process. If you actually know about things, then you can engage in an actual discussion, instead of constantly asking questions.

Okay, that's something, at least. Still, no mention of any of it being taught to little kids, so we'll put that in the conspiracy theory pile for now.

As to discussing the different ways people can express their sexuality...again, I say so what? As I said before, I consider sexuality to be a spectrum rather than two rigidly defined boxes, so I have no problem with any of those descriptions. Whatever floats yer boat, I say.

I still see nothing nefarious or dangerous in any of that.

-- A2SG, will define my own sexuality however I like, and will happily allow you to do the same...

 

[rambot]

If the apple feels, on the inside, that they are really a banana, on what basis do you claim they're wrong? How do you know what the apple feels like?

As to God's design....if God is infinite and omnipotent, I'm sure he can find a way to adjust. Seems to me we've deviated from his design quite a few times over the years. He should be used to that by now.


Again, the assumption that something is being done to little kids. I've yet to see any evidence to suggest little kids are being subjected to anything nefarious regarding gender and/or sex. Even at an early age, kids know there's a difference between boys and girls, and many of them also may realize that they don't feel, on the inside, like they look on the outside. Why do you insist on telling them they're wrong to feel this way? How do you know?

How would you react if someone told you it was wrong to feel that you believe in God?

-- A2SG, something tells me you wouldn't react positively to that.....

There's also not much wiggle room for the belief that God made THEM how THEY are. We are willing to allow that God has "made" some people with some altogether hideous deformities that can almost make a person look nonhuman; and that God has allowed some people to live with some pretty horrendous mental health issues like schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, so many things.

But if someone has something inside of themselves that we don't understand, we assume they are working AGAINST God....[edit:] as opposed to working with God has given them.

 

[Servus]

Okay, that's something, at least. Still, no mention of any of it being taught to little kids, so we'll put that in the conspiracy theory pile for now.

As to discussing the different ways people can express their sexuality...again, I say so what? As I said before, I consider sexuality to be a spectrum rather than two rigidly defined boxes, so I have no problem with any of those descriptions. Whatever floats yer boat, I say.

I still see nothing nefarious or dangerous in any of that.

-- A2SG, will define my own sexuality however I like, and will happily allow you to do the same...

Once again.

Go to Google or whatever search engine you prefer.

Type in "transgenderism taught in schools" or similar.

I'll let you pick what what you want to read about it.

Google Search

You can also watch a large number of videos available.

Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI)

Everyone has a sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI). It's an inclusive term that applies to everyone, whether they identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, two-spirit, heterosexual or cisgender

www2.gov.bc.ca

sogi curriculum - Google Search

I encourage you to put a little bit of effort into bringing yourself up to speed regarding matters being discussed.

 

[Servus]

There's also not much wiggle room for the belief that God made THEM how THEY are. We are willing to allow that God has "made" some people with some altogether hideous deformities that can almost make a person look nonhuman; and that God has allowed some people to live with some pretty horrendous mental health issues like schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, so many things.

But if someone has something inside of themselves that we don't understand, we assume they are working AGAINST God.

As a Christian you should know that that which is contrary to God's design is the result of that design being corrupted due to the fallen nature of this world. And things like schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder aren't celebrated, promoted and hugely embellished the way the kaleidoscope rabbit hole of transgender ideology is.

 

[rambot]

As a Christian you should know that that which is contrary to God's design is the result of that design being corrupted due to the fallen nature of this world. And things like schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder aren't celebrated, promoted and hugely embellished the way the kaleidoscope rabbit hole of transgenderism aka gender dysphoria is.

No. They're normalized.

And someday I hope to live in a world where everyone understands that gender is a man made social construct.

Someday.

 

[A2SG]

Once again.

Go to Google or whatever search engine you prefer.

Type in "transgenderism taught in schools" or similar.

I'll let you pick what what you want to read about it.

Google Search

Wait. You made the claim, and you expect me to do your research for you?

Nah. I'll just take it as yet another unfounded conspiracy theory and go about my business.

-- A2SG, I do have other stuff to do, ya know...

 

[rambot]

Wait. You made the claim, and you expect me to do your research for you?

Nah. I'll just take it as yet another unfounded conspiracy theory and go about my business.

-- A2SG, I do have other stuff to do, ya know...

Ahhh yes. Using their philosophy against them.

 

[Servus]

No. They're normalized.

And someday I hope to live in a world where everyone understands that gender is a man made social construct.

Someday.

Certainly it's man made rather than God made. Because God made us male and female and heterosexual, period end of story. Anything else is a gross distortion brought on by the fallen nature of man.

 

[Servus]

Wait. You made the claim, and you expect me to do your research for you?

Nah. I'll just take it as yet another unfounded conspiracy theory and go about my business.

-- A2SG, I do have other stuff to do, ya know...

No I'm bring up things I took a bit of time to learn about. The way you seem to operate, is if the discussion was about bicycle riding you'd constantly be asking questions like "what's a bicycle? Can you prove bicycles exist? How do you know you're supposed to peddle a bicycle to make it move, and can you prove that?" etc etc ad nauseum.

 

[A2SG]

Ahhh yes. Using their philosophy against them.

Hey, if he doesn't take the conspiracy theory seriously enough to do the research himself, why would I?

-- A2SG, got a turkey dinner to get prepared for, after all....