Do you believe we went to the moon?

NewLifeInChristJesus · Nov 15, 2023

RDKirk said:
No, they couldn't have. Large portions of the Air Force would have had to be in on it. And, again, they'd have to get the Soviets and NATO involved...all of them were able to track the spacecraft. If the craft were unmanned, the Air Force would have to keep up the ruse of having retrieved them.

And frankly, that many Americans don't keep secrets as "nationalistically" as you think. We keep secrets we're convinced need keeping, particularly from real or prospective enemies, which as a practical matter means keeping those secrets from the public. You can't get that many people to keep a secret from the American public that isn't a matter of the security of the public. A small cabal of highly invested operatives might do that, but not the thousands of ordinary clerks and sergeants over decades that kind of ruse would require. Maintaining that ruse until now would require the sign-on of newly hired Gen-Z employees even today.

Be prepared to argue against a flat earth next.

RDKirk · Nov 15, 2023

John 6:29 said:
Then you should understand my first post when, without spelling it out r e a l s l o w, the picture of the "earth" I showed had ZERO to do with lighting but the FACT is, when adjusting the levels and contrast of the image through any photo editor, one can see the scattering of pixilated artifacts around that "photo of the earth", and regardless of where that part of the composite image came from, it is clearly a, as modern terms would refer, a cut and paste.

There were no such things as "pixelated artifacts" at the time that silver halide analog hardcopy photograph was taken. If you see "pixelated artifacts," you're looking at a digitized copy of the analog image, and that is where the "pixelated artifacts" were created. A "cut and paste" in those days was literally two photographs cut by an X-Acto knife and pasted together; close examination would not reveal "pixelated artifacts," it would reveal a hard edge where the photograph was cut by a knife.

Once you've scanned and digitized a silver halide analog hardcopy photograph, you can adjust levels and contrast of the digital copy to reveal whatever you want to reveal.

Back during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, there was a dispute between DIA and CIA over whether Soviet-built FROGFOOT aircraft in Afghanistan were actually Red Air Force planes flown by Soviet pilots or Afghan Air Force planes flown by Afghan pilots. The difference would be shown in whether the rondels on the wings and tail were bare stars (Soviet) or encircled stars (Afghan).

CIA imagery analysts tweaked the levels and contrast of the best digital image we had, and Voila!, the stars were bare.
DIA imagery analysts tweaked the levels and contrast of the same digital image and Behold!, the stars were encircled.

Aussie Pete · Nov 15, 2023

John 6:29 said:
That photo is a fabrication made before anyone knew there would be something called Photoshop where an elementary level PS user can adjust the contrast and levels to show the pasted artifacts around that supposed view of earth. How about showing something legit and recent where we can see the entirety of the 'globe' spinning at 1033mph while rotating in an elliptical orbit around the sun at 66,600mph

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The photo was taken in 1968. That was years before the PC. It was taken on film, not digitally. You will answer to God for your slanderous accusations.

You seem to forget that the earth takes 24 hours for a full rotation. Not the kind of home movie I would want to watch. A simple google search will bring up videos of the rotating earth. How about doing some research yourself instead of slandering others.

returntosender · Nov 16, 2023

Desk trauma said:
Bit silly to come post it on a discussion forum if you're not only not going to explain it but are going to be defensive about it.

I'm not being defensive. i give my opinion and if you all don't agree you rake me over the coals.. posts are all about opinions. I gave two opinions. I'm sorry if you don't agree but i don't care enough to argue about it. I can easily see it could be .ade up. I remember the contraversi of who was going to get there first. You seem to be threatened by disagreement. Okay, I'm gone having given my opinion. One other thing,. I don't think it was fabricated i was just throwing it out there.
Carry-on

YorkieGal · Nov 16, 2023

No, and I don't care about it to debate it but I do find it interesting how passionate people are about it on either side.

returntosender · Dec 3, 2023

John 6:29 said:
That photo is a fabrication made before anyone knew there would be something called Photoshop where an elementary level PS user can adjust the contrast and levels to show the pasted artifacts around that supposed view of earth. How about showing something legit and recent where we can see the entirety of the 'globe' spinning at 1033mph while rotating in an elliptical orbit around the sun at 66,600mph

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A neat Picture with the snow falling

returntosender · Dec 3, 2023

Desk trauma said:
Bit silly to come post it on a discussion forum if you're not only not going to explain it but are going to be defensive about it.

So what you and Michie are saying is it's mandatory in order to be here you must debate. Is that in the cf rules or a judgment of yours. Your opinion is not wanted only your debate, your argument, your wise council. Otherwise we don't want you here among us the great and mighty among you lowly sinners. I've always been thankful i have no need to ever be Catholic.

Desk trauma · Dec 3, 2023

returntosender said:
So what you and Michie are saying is it's mandatory in order to be here you must debate. Is that in the cf rules or a judgment of yours.

Mine, I don’t presume to speak for Michie.

returntosender said:
Your opinion is not wanted only your debate, your argument, your wise council. Otherwise we don't want you here among us the great and mighty among you lowly sinners. I've always been thankful i have no need to ever be Catholic.

Me neither, I’m atheist not catholic.

Michie · Dec 3, 2023

returntosender said:
So what you and Michie are saying is it's mandatory in order to be here you must debate. Is that in the cf rules or a judgment of yours. Your opinion is not wanted only your debate, your argument, your wise council. Otherwise we don't want you here among us the great and mighty among you lowly sinners. I've always been thankful i have no need to ever be Catholic.

Good grief! I never said that! :scratch:

returntosender · Dec 3, 2023

Michie said:
Good grief! I never said that!

You agreed with him. Isn't that the same thing? And the crack about Catholics was uncalled for on my part. It appears you removed the agree icon, oh well.

returntosender · Dec 3, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
The photo was taken in 1968. That was years before the PC. It was taken on film, not digitally. You will answer to God for your slanderous accusations.

You seem to forget that the earth takes 24 hours for a full rotation. Not the kind of home movie I would want to watch. A simple google search will bring up videos of the rotating earth. How about doing some research yourself instead of slandering others.

That's ridiculous to accuse him of slander. He could easily say the same to you. It's all speculation. Answer to God for speculation?

Michie · Dec 4, 2023

returntosender said:
You agreed with him. Isn't that the same thing? And the crack about Catholics was uncalled for on my part. It appears you removed the agree icon, oh well.

I used the winner icon. And I did not remove it. It is still there. Only because I agreed with him about you getting defensive after starting a thread. I don’t understand it. Your threads are fun. Everyone comes to them. I appreciate you acknowledging the crack about Catholics being uncalled for. And I accept that. I just don’t understand why you are always trying to pick a fight with me. But I’m willing to let whatever the problem is go. Because I do like you and the threads you start. I’m really not your enemy and I mean that sincerely.

Lost4words · Dec 4, 2023

Amazing that many sad people in the world follow along with all these weird conspiracy theories! They get sucked in by lies. They are extremely gullible, believing we never went to or landed on the moon, that the earth is flat, that the moon produces its own light, that no planes crashed into the twin towers, etc etc etc....

Aussie Pete · Dec 4, 2023

returntosender said:
That's ridiculous to accuse him of slander. He could easily say the same to you. It's all speculation. Answer to God for speculation?

Accusing someone of lying about taking a photo of the earth from the moon is not slander? So what is slanderous?

Tropical Wilds · Dec 5, 2023

returntosender said:
Do you believe we went to the moon?

Of course we did. Anybody who doesn’t think we did needs to go back to grade school.

Tropical Wilds · Dec 5, 2023

John 6:29 said:
That photo is a fabrication made before anyone knew there would be something called Photoshop where an elementary level PS user can adjust the contrast and levels to show the pasted artifacts around that supposed view of earth. How about showing something legit and recent where we can see the entirety of the 'globe' spinning at 1033mph while rotating in an elliptical orbit around the sun at 66,600mph

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I went to the ocean last month, during the full moon. It was gorgeous.

Pretty, right?

But wait… Look what happens if I manipulate the picture in Photoshop past the natural thresholds of the picture’s color composition…

Pixelation. Something that looks like radial brush strokes. And I don’t see from that picture how the moon orbits the earth, rotates, or travels across the sky. Clearly, the moon must be fake.

Chesterton · Dec 5, 2023

Michie said:
I used the winner icon. And I did not remove it. It is still there. Only because I agreed with him about you getting defensive after starting a thread. I don’t understand it. Your threads are fun. Everyone comes to them. I appreciate you acknowledging the crack about Catholics being uncalled for. And I accept that. I just don’t understand why you are always trying to pick a fight with me. But I’m willing to let whatever the problem is go. Because I do like you and the threads you start. I’m really not your enemy and I mean that sincerely.

I agree. Even though I think she hates me, I like her, I think she's delightful and I like her threads. I just can't understand why she has weird reasons for getting testy with people.

Michie · Dec 5, 2023

Chesterton said:
I agree. Even though I think sher hates me, I like her, I think she's delightful and I like her threads. I just can't understand why she has weird reasons for getting testy with people.

I do not understand it either. :shrug:

Chesterton · Dec 5, 2023

Tropical Wilds said:
Of course we did. Anybody who doesn’t think we did needs to go back to grade school.

I don't know if going back to grade school is the answer. When I was in grade school they taught me that we did not go to the moon, that Pee Wee Herman assassinated J.F.K., and that the Keebler elves secretly controlled the world's currency markets. I don't know, maybe I just went to a weird school.

Tropical Wilds · Dec 5, 2023

Chesterton said:
I don't know if going back to grade school is the answer. When I was in grade school they taught me that we did not go to the moon, that Pee Wee Herman assassinated J.F.K., and that the Keebler elves secretly controlled the world's currency markets. I don't know, maybe I just went to a weird school.

So we are saying those things aren’t true…? Asking for a friend.

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