Today at 04:23 AM Andrew said this in Post #39
I gave you a link to a whole article abt Christian suffering with lots of scripture but you just dismissed it as an old thread.
btw: I'm talking about the types of trials/sufferings of a Christian here so what has Ga 3:13 and Deu 27,28 gotta do with the topic?
First I wanted you to interact with me not make me look at an old thread. Secondly you brought up Gal. and Deut. to say that we are no longer under the curse of the law. up
If you insist there's no difference in the way God deals with his people betw the OC and NC then I really dont know what to say to you.
Well since I did not say that then I guess you can talk to me. What I did say was that I do not believe the NC changes the fact that God brings evil into our lives to bring us closer to him. He did it in the OC and the NC. He is not the author of evil but he allows it to occur in our lives for a greater purpose.
As for evil in the Christian's lives, the problem is that many Christians dont know the diff between a curse and a blessing, dont know what is of God and what is of the devil. In essence, they dont know their Father's heart and get the 2 mixed up.
eg: Christians can still call some sicknesses a blessing from God when Deu 28:61 makes it crystal clear that all sickness is a curse. Or, that God uses evil to bring us closer to him when the Bible makes it clear that it is Christ' work that has brought us near to God, and that it is the devil (not God) that comes to steal, kill and destroy, and it is Jesus who came to give us life abundant.
You keep saying this but never back it up when pressed.
ps: martyrdom is a specific calling. not all Christians are called to be martyrs so dont use that as a general 'evil' that all Christians can expect. also true Biblical martyrdom is one where the martyr has a choice between deliverance and death but chooses death. IOW just becos you are sent to the jungles to preach and your head gets choped off dont make you a martyr. The Bible says they refused deliverance but chose death.
No we are not all called to be martyrs in a literal sense. That is we are not all called to literally die for our faith. However we are called to take up our cross daily and follow him. We are called to die to ourselves and live for Christ. So in a very real way we are all called to be matyrs. Also where in the Bible does it say that a true matyr is one that has a choice between deliverence or death but choose death? Unless you are saying they could of rejected God and that would make them delivered. However to me that wuld not be deliverence.
Let's look at the first martyr Stephen.
Acts 6:5-15
5 The statement found approval with the whole congregation; and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch.
6 And these they brought before the apostles; and after praying, they laid their hands on them.
7 The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.
8 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.
9 But some men from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, {including} both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia, rose up and argued with Stephen.
10 But they were unable to cope with the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking.
11 Then they secretly induced men to say, "We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and {against} God."
12 And they stirred up the people, the elders and the scribes, and they came up to him and dragged him away and brought him before the Council.
13 They put forward false witnesses who said, "This man incessantly speaks against this holy place and the Law;
14 for we have heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and alter the customs which Moses handed down to us."
15 And fixing their gaze on him, all who were sitting in the Council saw his face like the face of an angel.
(NAU)
Stephen makes a great speech in the middle of these two passages that is too long to be copied here but I do not see where he could of been delivered by God but chose not to be. Maybe I am wrong so please show me.
Acts 7:54-60
54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they {began} gnashing their teeth at him.
55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse.
58 When they had driven him out of the city, they {began} stoning {him;} and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on {the Lord} and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!"
60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.
(NAU)
And those some are right:
9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Now either you are right and His Word is wrong, or God and his Word are true and you are wrong. Guess which I choose? 
according to your faith be it unto you.
I am confused were you not the same person that said that a Christian would suffer? I can go find the actual post but basically it said that Christians do suffer but not in certain ways. That they do not get sick and are wealthy if they have faith. I am confused.
