DEI officials in New Jersey school district cancel all Halloween celebrations

dzheremi · Oct 27, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
People in my home town and in my state of MA. Calls for calling Christmas Holidays, is mandated in some retail businesses and
Walmart previously had cashiers only wish people Happy Holidays. Now they say Merry Christmas, until after December 25th.

That's businesses, though, that's not "the left". If their stance on unionization and paying their workers fair wages is any indication, then there is no conceivable way that Walmart could ever be associated with the political left. Corporate PC-ism is its own animal, more about protecting and increasing their profits than about any actual political or social stances (as your own example about Walmart going back on saying "Happy Holidays" aptly demonstrates).

JimR-OCDS said:
I don't care that some people don't celebrate Christmas.

I don't think anyone is saying that you have to care, but that cuts both ways, since I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't care that it's Christmas, or that you want them to say "Merry Christmas" in particular.

JimR-OCDS said:
Fact is, Jesus is the reason for the season. If not for the coming of Christ, Christmas would be unheard of.

Of course. I don't think you'll get any disagreement about that from Christians on this website (except for the "Everything I don't like is a pagan holiday" people, who are probably best ignored), but that says nothing about what the world will do either way.

JimR-OCDS · Oct 27, 2023

dzheremi said:
That's businesses, though, that's not "the left". If their stance on unionization and paying their workers fair wages is any indication, then there is no conceivable way that Walmart could ever be associated with the political left. Corporate PC-ism is its own animal, more about protecting and increasing their profits than about any actual political or social stances (as your own example about Walmart going back on saying "Happy Holidays" aptly demonstrates).

I don't think anyone is saying that you have to care, but that cuts both ways, since I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't care that it's Christmas, or that you want them to say "Merry Christmas" in particular.

Of course. I don't think you'll get any disagreement about that from Christians on this website (except for the "Everything I don't like is a pagan holiday" people, who are probably best ignored), but that says nothing about what the world will do either way.

Learn what ESG ratings are and you'll understand how businesses must abide by government leftists ideologies.

dzheremi · Oct 27, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
Learn what ESG ratings are and you'll understand how businesses must abide by government leftists ideologies.

ESG ratings are applied by ESG ratings companies, not by the government. They're not something that is required by law. Not all companies have them. According to what I was able to find just now, 88% of public companies have "ESG initiatives" in place, while two-thirds of private companies have them.

Merrill · Oct 27, 2023

dzheremi said:
ESG ratings are applied by ESG ratings companies, not by the government. They're not something that is required by law. Not all companies have them. According to what I was able to find just now, 88% of public companies have "ESG initiatives" in place, while two-thirds of private companies have them.

In the article you cite, it says:

"Those ratings providers—and the ratings themselves—face increasing scrutiny.

There are calls for the Securities and Exchange Commission and other agencies to regulate the raters. Observers worry that ESG ratings lack clarity, rely on inconsistent criteria, and suffer from conflicts of interest that plague other ratings industries."

ESG is basically a form of global centralized planning, and as we know from history, centrally-planned economies are inefficient, corrupt, and subject to market distortions, shortages, etc.

Let's look at but one example of this: ESG demands environmental initiatives that involve "green" energy, and renewables.

Companies then implement solar power --and the panels, batteries, and other materials for solar come from places like China, which uses slave labor and operates concentration camps. Likewise, China gets things like Cobalt from places like the Congo, where child labor is used in the mines.

The solar plants require 10-20 times the land of a nuclear plant (which produces more power, and is not intermittent), leading to animal habitats getting destroyed. Once the solar panels are end-of-life, they end up in landfills or in the ocean as toxic waste.

So companies can get a better ESG score through this

Other examples would include minority hiring practices which the ESG people love. Unqualified people are put into important positions, and this can have bad outcomes. ESG uses DEI which is CRT in practice

Companies that don't go along with these ESG initiatives suffer financially, as huge investment firms like Vanguard and Blackrock will dump their stock and shun further investment.

Elon Musk was right --this whole thing is a scam

FireDragon76 · Oct 28, 2023

"Fall Festival" is a Fundamentalist-Christian alternative holiday to Halloween.

There are some non-European cultures that might not share traditional white Protestant attitudes to Halloween, as well, as a source of amusement. It's one reason you won't find Disney's Haunted Mansion in Disneyland in Shanghai, for instance. It's called Mystical Manor instead, and doesn't feature ghosts. Mystic Manor - Wikipedia. In China, ghosts have different cultural associations, ones that are more serious or religious. However, I doubt this is the reason for the school board's policy decision.

JimR-OCDS · Oct 28, 2023

dzheremi said:
ESG ratings are applied by ESG ratings companies, not by the government. They're not something that is required by law. Not all companies have them. According to what I was able to find just now, 88% of public companies have "ESG initiatives" in place, while two-thirds of private companies have them.

Nope, the ratings are approved by the government and those companies that don't get a good rating, don't get
government contracts.

RileyG · Oct 28, 2023

Merrill said:
The "Assistant Superintendent of Access and Equity" (wonder how much this job pays) has deemed such celebrations as racist and classicist, and has ordered them cancelled

New Jersey school district cancels Halloween-themed events

School officials say they believe ending Halloween celebrations will build equity and foster inclusion.

www.cbsnews.com

the insanity won't stop, unless parents start pushing back

That's ridiculous IMHO

RileyG · Oct 28, 2023

FireDragon76 said:
"Fall Festival" is a Fundamentalist-Christian alternative holiday to Halloween.

There are some non-European cultures that might not share traditional white Protestant attitudes to Halloween, as well, as a source of amusement. It's one reason you won't find Disney's Haunted Mansion in Disneyland in Shanghai, for instance. It's called Mystical Manor instead, and doesn't feature ghosts. Mystic Manor - Wikipedia. In China, ghosts have different cultural associations, ones that are more serious or religious. However, I doubt this is the reason for the school board's policy decision.

I've heard some Fundamentalist Churches rebrand Halloween as "Jesus-ween." To each their own, I guess.

dzheremi · Oct 28, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
Nope, the ratings are approved by the government and those companies that don't get a good rating, don't get
government contracts.

Again, ESG ratings companies form their own industry. They're not part of the government, which was the point of my post, because you had written that ESG ratings somehow prove that companies need to follow progressive government policies. The stats prove otherwise, as policies that companies actually have to follow don't result in situations where a full 1/3 of private companies don't do that -- e.g., it's not like 1/3 of private U.S. companies freely use child labor, because there are actual laws against that. There is no such law against not having an ESG rating.

Red Gold · Oct 31, 2023

2PhiloVoid said:
I guess we'll just have to realize that U.S. Halloween is thoroughly capitalist in nature and must be called down for that inequality factor.

I mean: WHO KNEW?!!!!!

funny

Geralt · Dec 25, 2023

Celebrations labeled racist and classicist by the "Assistant Superintendent of Access and Equity

FireDragon76 · Dec 25, 2023

Geralt said:
Celebrations labeled racist and classicist by the "Assistant Superintendent of Access and Equity

Christmas isn't necessarily cheery or great for everyone. I would say it's easily one of the most overhyped holidays in a culture dominated by consumerism and sentimentality. Now days there's more eulogizing of Christmas than there is of Christ.

Tropical Wilds · Dec 27, 2023

2PhiloVoid said:
I already know the kinds of things some witches and/or wiccans "do." That doesn't mean anyone else "has" to do what they do; especially not for the same reasons.

Notice, too, that when I speak of "spooky board-games," I'm thinking of something more like the boardgame "Horrified" rather than some mamby-pampy waste of time like a oujia board.

It's important to know a person's referrent when they give a general term like "spooky board-game."

That whole article was hot garbage. Anytime somebody identifies as a white witch, you can tap out.

I’m with you with the board game. They can talk about spooky board games when they’ve played “Mansions of Madness,” “Eldritch Horror,” “Elder Signs,” or even “Pandemic.”

Tropical Wilds · Dec 27, 2023

dzheremi said:
That's businesses, though, that's not "the left". If their stance on unionization and paying their workers fair wages is any indication, then there is no conceivable way that Walmart could ever be associated with the political left. Corporate PC-ism is its own animal, more about protecting and increasing their profits than about any actual political or social stances (as your own example about Walmart going back on saying "Happy Holidays" aptly demonstrates).

I don't think anyone is saying that you have to care, but that cuts both ways, since I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't care that it's Christmas, or that you want them to say "Merry Christmas" in particular.

Of course. I don't think you'll get any disagreement about that from Christians on this website (except for the "Everything I don't like is a pagan holiday" people, who are probably best ignored), but that says nothing about what the world will do either way.

Every year it happens where somebody does or doesn’t say “Merry Christmas” and gets nuked for it. One of my co-workers was wished a happy holiday, she wished it back. She got absolutely lambasted by the next person who was upset she didn’t say “Merry Christmas.” Like, up one side and down the other, in a decidedly unchristian and definitely not Christmasy way. I had to intervene this lady went so nuts.

I just want to tell these people that 90% of people in the service industry aren’t putting that much thought, consideration, or intention in what they’re wishing you and are simply wishing back to you what you wished to them. When you’re as busy as somebody in the service industry is during the holiday season, there’s an insane level of narcissism that comes with assuming whatever superficial sentiment they express is a direct and intentional personal slight to a person, religion, or belief. They simply want you out of the way so they can move to the next person, and then the person after that. They want to move the line, that’s all they’re thinking about.

Truth7t7 · Dec 30, 2023

Merrill said:
The "Assistant Superintendent of Access and Equity" (wonder how much this job pays) has deemed such celebrations as racist and classicist, and has ordered them cancelled

New Jersey school district cancels Halloween-themed events

School officials say they believe ending Halloween celebrations will build equity and foster inclusion.

www.cbsnews.com

the insanity won't stop, unless parents start pushing back

Good, Halloween is a hands down satanic day of celebration, the witches new year

Truth7t7 · Dec 30, 2023

Tropical Wilds said:
Every year it happens where somebody does or doesn’t say “Merry Christmas” and gets nuked for it. One of my co-workers was wished a happy holiday, she wished it back. She got absolutely lambasted by the next person who was upset she didn’t say “Merry Christmas.” Like, up one side and down the other, in a decidedly unchristian and definitely not Christmasy way. I had to intervene this lady went so nuts.

I just want to tell these people that 90% of people in the service industry aren’t putting that much thought, consideration, or intention in what they’re wishing you and are simply wishing back to you what you wished to them. When you’re as busy as somebody in the service industry is during the holiday season, there’s an insane level of narcissism that comes with assuming whatever superficial sentiment they express is a direct and intentional personal slight to a person, religion, or belief. They simply want you out of the way so they can move to the next person, and then the person after that. They want to move the line, that’s all they’re thinking about.

Christmas is also a pagan day of celebration that many have tried to Christianize

It's rooted in the Roman Saturnalia, wine, women, and song (Baccus), it's the time of the winter solstice and rebirth of the sun Dec 21st

Nothing Christian about it, and Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th

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