Zelensky on Israel attack: ‘everyone who values life must stand in solidarity’

ThatRobGuy · Oct 8, 2023

Zelensky on Israel attack: ‘everyone who values life must stand in solidarity’

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos…

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos from Israel. Terrorists humiliate women and men, detain even the elderly, and show no mercy,” Zelensky’s post read. “In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity.”

...makes me wonder which perceptions and attitudes in the US will change now that the leader of Ukraine has asked the world to stand in solidarity with Israel.

Ukraine's staunchest allies have been on the left (those most skeptical of helping Ukraine are on the right).

However, now that he's voiced his support for Israel and saying that the world needs to stand in solidarity with them, will we potentially seem some of that flip-flop? (where pro-Israel conservatives will start liking Zelensky a little more, and more pro-Palestine "BDS" people on the left will being a little more stand-offish about helping him?)

Pommer · Oct 8, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
Ukraine's staunchest allies have been on the left (those most skeptical of helping Ukraine are on the right).

The reason that the USA has been supporting Ukraine was because Clinton assured Ukraine that we’d help defend the Ukrainians should Russia decide to annex them, if, in 1994 they’d get rid of their stockpile of Soviet-era nuclear weapons.

Reneging on the the Budapest Memorandum would cause the USA to lose face.

Some are beginning to say “we’ve ‘done enough’” to have satisfied the agreement; that’s a valid position to hold, (though I personally am not in favor of quitting just yet).

Hank77 · Oct 8, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
Zelensky on Israel attack: ‘everyone who values life must stand in solidarity’

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos…

thehill.com

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos from Israel. Terrorists humiliate women and men, detain even the elderly, and show no mercy,” Zelensky’s post read. “In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity.”

...makes me wonder which perceptions and attitudes in the US will change now that the leader of Ukraine has asked the world to stand in solidarity with Israel.

Ukraine's staunchest allies have been on the left (those most skeptical of helping Ukraine are on the right).

However, now that he's voiced his support for Israel and saying that the world needs to stand in solidarity with them, will we potentially seem some of that flip-flop? (where pro-Israel conservatives will start liking Zelensky a little more, and more pro-Palestine "BDS" people on the left will being a little more stand-offish about helping him?)

...
Former Israeli minister and Jewish Agency chief Natan Sharansky responded to Putin by saying Ukrainians should be proud of having elected a Jewish president.
“Zelensky unites the Ukrainian people against barbaric aggression, and we Jews can be proud that a representative of our people plays a historic and significant role in uniting the whole world for the sake of protecting our future,” he said in a statement.
...
Zelensky has said he has relatives who moved to Israel in the 1990s, during the wave of Jewish emigration from the newly dissolved Soviet Union. He also visited as an actor and comedian, and performed in venues throughout the country. As Ukrainian president, he has visited just once, for the Holocaust commemoration shortly before the COVID-19 pandemic began.

Putin: My Jewish friends say Zelensky isn’t Jewish, is a ‘disgrace’ to the faith

Russian president wonders why Ukrainian president with 'Jewish blood' is covering 'for these freaks and neo-Nazis'

www.timesofisrael.com

FireDragon76 · Oct 8, 2023

Seeing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through an American political partisan lens isn't very useful.

Lukaris · Oct 8, 2023

The Palestinian people have been manipulated by criminal terrorists all along. While the Israelis have committed crimes also, their collective attitude is live & let live. The political and armed terrorists that lord over the Palestinians have no intention of live & let live. This even extends sometimes to other Arab nations as in the case of the Black September takeover attempt of Jordan in 1970.

Black September - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

ToddNotTodd · Oct 8, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
Zelensky on Israel attack: ‘everyone who values life must stand in solidarity’

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos…

thehill.com

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos from Israel. Terrorists humiliate women and men, detain even the elderly, and show no mercy,” Zelensky’s post read. “In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity.”

...makes me wonder which perceptions and attitudes in the US will change now that the leader of Ukraine has asked the world to stand in solidarity with Israel.

Ukraine's staunchest allies have been on the left (those most skeptical of helping Ukraine are on the right).

However, now that he's voiced his support for Israel and saying that the world needs to stand in solidarity with them, will we potentially seem some of that flip-flop? (where pro-Israel conservatives will start liking Zelensky a little more, and more pro-Palestine "BDS" people on the left will being a little more stand-offish about helping him?)

It’s possible to both be horrified at how Israel has treated Palestinians, and horrified at how Israel has been treated by the Arab world. Personally, my views haven’t changed at all.

ThatRobGuy · Oct 8, 2023

FireDragon76 said:
Seeing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through an American political partisan lens isn't very useful.

In this case, it is applicable because how people see the Ukraine-Russia conflict is through the same partisan lens.

D: "Russia helped trump win, therefore, Russia is the bad guy in any conflict, so we need to stand with Ukraine"
R: "The libs want to help Ukraine against Russia because of the Trump stuff, so we need to find reasons why we shouldn't"

When counterbalanced against

R: "We need to stick with Israel for religious reasons, and because we know our party is distrusting of Muslims"
D: "Palestinians are a little browner so it would appeal to our base if we sided with them, and we know conservatives back Israel, so we need to back Palestine"

The leader of the Ukraine siding with Israel throws a wrench into things a bit, you have to admit...

jacks · Oct 8, 2023

Regardless it will be the people just trying to get on with their lives that suffer, on both sides.

ThatRobGuy · Oct 8, 2023

Lukaris said:
The Palestinian people have been manipulated by criminal terrorists all along. While the Israelis have committed crimes also, their collective attitude is live & let live. The political and armed terrorists that lord over the Palestinians have no intention of live & let live. This even extends sometimes to other Arab nations as in the case of the Black September takeover attempt of Jordan in 1970.

Black September - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Correct, I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating.

When Muslim majorities were left in charge, this is what happened (they forced them out of their countries):

When Jewish majorities are left in charge, they allow Muslims to serve as judges and have seats in the Knesset.

Do you think for a second that Yemen Syria and Libya would allow Jews to serve in their federal legislative branch?

Pommer · Oct 8, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
Correct, I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating.

When Muslim majorities were left in charge, this is what happened (they forced them out of their countries):
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When Jewish majorities are left in charge, they allow Muslims to serve as judges and have seats in the Knesset.

Do you think for a second that Yemen Syria and Libya would allow Jews to serve in their federal legislative branch?

All I see is a graphic representation of what happens when a religious minority gets a country of their “own” to travel to.
It’s not so much Muslim countries expelling their Jews, but their Jews deciding that maybe Tel Aviv is “nice”?

Lukaris · Oct 9, 2023

Over time the majority just ends up crowding out the minority in most cases. Reasons are complicated & to blame a present generation for mistakes of the past is the ignoramous, woke way of the present.

Look at the case of Constantinople and Istanbul. In 1453 it was a Greek Orthodox capital that was conquered and for 5 centuries, the Greek Orthodox were eventually crowded out. In 1955, a pogrom against the native Greeks in Istanbul eliminated their community.

Fall of Constantinople - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Istanbul pogrom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How many wokes today would care about the fate of the Orthodox Greeks of Istanbul? I doubt they care much for any concerns the Israelis have for their survival also.

ThatRobGuy · Oct 9, 2023

Pommer said:
All I see is a graphic representation of what happens when a religious minority gets a country of their “own” to travel to.
It’s not so much Muslim countries expelling their Jews, but their Jews deciding that maybe Tel Aviv is “nice”?

Time for a brief history lesson it would appear...

Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From 1948-1970, roughly 900k Jews faced expulsion.

And in some countries, while there was no law formally expelling Jews, they passed laws (or neglected to enforce laws) that made leaving a necessity.

For instance:

In Morocco the Vichy regime during World War II passed discriminatory laws against Jews; for example, Jews were no longer able to get any form of credit, Jews who had homes or businesses in European neighborhoods were expelled, and quotas were imposed limiting the percentage of Jews allowed to practice professions such as law and medicine to no more than two percent

In Tunisia, attacks against Jewish settlements went unpunished.

In Libya: Following the liberation of North Africa by allied forces, antisemitic incitements were still widespread. The most severe racial violence between the start of World War II and the establishment of Israel erupted in Tripoli in November 1945. Over a period of several days more than 140 Jews (including 36 children) were killed, hundreds were injured, 4,000 were displaced and 2,400 were reduced to poverty. Five synagogues in Tripoli and four in provincial towns were destroyed, and over 1,000 Jewish residences and commercial buildings were plundered in Tripoli alone.

Iraq flat-out embraced Nazi Propaganda.

...so while there's a few countries from which, Jews willfully left and went to Israel facing no direct persecution, that certainly wasn't the "norm".

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