Doctor says there is no way Biden would pass mental competency test

Always in His Presence · Sep 24, 2023

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Readers will note Dr. Lieberman is board certified and has trained in both the US and Europe. She has been considered enough of an expert to be called by Democratic Congressmen as an expert witness three different times.

Arcangl86 · Sep 24, 2023

Based on her CV and publications I'm seeing much to indicate she has any real experience with geriatrics or neurocognitive disorders, discounting anything she got in her medical training decades ago. And yes she was a expert witness to Congress multiple times, but each time speaking about the link between psychology and media. That has nothing to do with cognition or aging. I see no reason her opinion should hold any weight.

USincognito · Sep 24, 2023

hislegacy said:
In an interview on “Real America’s Voice” last week, Dr. Carole Lieberman — who has appeared on Oprah Winfrey, Dr. Phil, Fox News, CNN and many other venues, according to her website — said voters shouldn’t simply focus on the fact Biden is an octogenarian.

This is supposed to engender confidence in her opinion?

Landon Caeli · Sep 24, 2023

USincognito said:
This is supposed to engender confidence in her opinion?

She's obviously famous in doing what she does. Her opinions seem to be valued by a lot of people.

...Why shrug her off?

USincognito · Sep 24, 2023

Landon Caeli said:
She's obviously famous in doing what she does. Her opinions seem to be valued by a lot of people.

...Why shrug her off?

Famous medical doctors have articles published in JAMA. Pop psychologists appear on Oprah.

Landon Caeli · Sep 25, 2023

USincognito said:
Famous medical doctors have articles published in JAMA. Pop psychologists appear on Oprah.

Just because Oprah is a woman of colour, and Dr. Carole Lieberman is a woman, doesn't mean we should just write them off. Especially in defence of a wealthy white male president.

What makes you think that appearing on the Oprah Winfrey show automatically qualifies someone as lesser of a person?

...That seems either racist or sexist. Possibly both.

JustOneWay · Sep 25, 2023

Landon Caeli said:
Just because Oprah is a woman of colour, and Dr. Carole Lieberman is a woman, doesn't mean we should just write them off. Especially in defence of a wealthy white male president.

What makes you think that appearing on the Oprah Winfrey show automatically qualifies someone as lesser of a person?

...That seems either racist or sexist. Possibly both.

WOW! The race card AND the sexist card tossed out all in one post while building the strawman.

Dr. Oz got his big start on Oprah. He wasn't posting his studies in medical journals; he was spewing them out on the television.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 25, 2023

hislegacy said:
She is expressing an opinion.

Before having ever evaluated the patient. Not a good look for this “doctor.”

JustOneWay · Sep 25, 2023

GoldenBoy89 said:
Before having ever evaluated the patient. Not a good look for this “doctor.”

Indeed

quack: an ignorant, misinformed, or dishonest practitioner of medicine

DaisyDay · Sep 25, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
Isn't there supposed to be an ethical problem with diagnosing problems in people you've never even met?

Goldwater Rule.

JustOneWay · Sep 25, 2023

DaisyDay said:
Goldwater Rule.

Thanks for this.

APA’s formal response came in 1973 with the adoption of Section 7.3 in the Principles of Medical Ethics with Annotations Especially Applicable to Psychiatry, which became known as the Goldwater Rule.

The rule applies to public figures and states: it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement” (see sidebar).

Saber Truth Tiger · Sep 25, 2023

DaisyDay said:
Goldwater Rule.

I believe it is not wise to diagnose someone with a mental illness or psychological problems without speaking to them for several hours spread out over a few days. I have schizophrenia and I was not diagnosed as schizophrenic just because I lived on the street and had a history of hospital stays. I had to be interviewed by staff members of an agency that helped people with mental illnesses getting off the street. Then, I had to be interivewed by two doctors, one representing the state, and the other was hired by the agency to interview me. A month after the second interview, I was diagnosed as someone with a mental illness. I qualified for social security disability and medicare and medical and I was eventually able to get off the streets and have been for over 26 years. I don't believe you can diagnose someone you never met.

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