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the seven trumpets

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Thought I would share the following regarding the seven trumpets. God bless. :)

The first four trumpets were judgments that fell upon Pagan Rome before 476 A.D. at the hand of the barbarian tribes. The fifth and sixth trumpets were judgments that fell upon Papal Rome between 1299 and 1840 at the hand of the Turks and the seventh trumpet will be the judgments that will fall upon Babylon the Great after the close of probation. In other words the seventh trumpet is the seven last plagues.

The bowing down at the feet of the saints does not take place before probation closes but at the time of the fifth plague.

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Sky, I need proof that this happened at that time and I am very sure it didn't.

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Gibs, you ask me to prove what you believe to be mere assertions on my part regarding the trumpets. I stand on what I said based on the clear declarations of inspiration. In the book The Great Controversy,334,335, we are told, in no uncertain terms, that the sixth trumpet ended on August 11,1840 with the fall of the Ottoman empire.

"In the year 1840 another remarkable fulfillment of prophecy excited widespread interest. Two years before, Josiah Litch, one of the leading ministers preaching the second advent, published an exposition of Revelation 9, predicting the fall of the Ottoman Empire. According to his calculations, this power was to be overthrown "in A.D. 1840, sometime in the month of August;" and only a few days previous to its accomplishment he wrote: "Allowing the first period, 150 years, to have been exactly fulfilled before Deacozes ascended the throne by permission of the Turks, and that the 391 years, fifteen days, commenced at the close of the first period, it will end on the 11th of August, 1840, when the Ottoman power in Constantinople may be expected to be broken. And this, I believe, will be found to be the case."--Josiah Litch, in Signs of the Times, and Expositor of Prophecy, Aug. 1, 1840.

At the very time specified, Turkey, through her ambassadors, accepted the protection of the allied powers of Europe, and thus placed herself under the control of Christian nations. The event exactly fulfilled the prediction. When it became known, multitudes were convinced of the correctness of the principles of prophetic interpretation adopted by Miller and his associates, and a wonderful impetus was given to the advent movement. Men of learning and position united with Miller, both in preaching and in publishing his views, and from 1840 to 1844 the work rapidly extended." The Great Controversy,334,335.

The fifth trumpet is mentioned. It lasted 150 literal years from 1299 to 1449 and the sixth trumpet lasted 391 years and 15 days ending on August 11,1840.

So this implies that the judgments of the first four trumpets fell before 1299. They were the judgments that fell upon Pagan Rome at the hand of the barbarian tribes which brought about the fall of the Roman empire in A.D.476. Uriah Smith was right about that.

In 1844 the seventh trumpet sounded when Jesus passed from the holy to the most holy apartment of the sanctuary above. This meant that the judgments of God were about to fall upon a wicked world but before they fell the people of God were to give the last warning, the last message of mercy to the world.

We are told in The Great Controversy,457,458, that if the advent people had labored unitedly in the work in 1844, had received the third angel's message and proclaimed it in the power of the Holy Spirit, the Lord would have wrought mightily with their efforts and a flood of light would have been shed upon the world and Christ would have come for the redemption of His people.

So we are living in the time of the seventh trumpet but these judgments to fall upon Babylon the Great, the seven last plagues, will not fall until the the last message of mercy has been proclaimed to the world in demonstration of the Spirit and power of God and probation has closed.

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Regarding the sixth trumpet, Rev.9:13,14 mentions the fact that a third of the river Euphrates was dried up between 1449 and 1840. The name Euphrates is the symbolic name for the people who were supporting the papacy. Rev.17:15 clearly says that the waters upon which the papacy sits represent the multitudes of this earth (Europe at that time) who give their support to the papal power. It is said that during the sixth trumpet a third of that river was dried up. In other words a third of the population of Europe during the sixth trumpet was killed.

Notice how after the close of probation, during the sixth plague, this river of people will be completely dried up. Rev.16:12. Before probation closes the papacy will be supported by all nations but at the time of the fifth plague the people will have their eyes open and they will turn their back on her and the sixth plague is the destruction of Babylon the Great by the very people who minutes before were given her their full support.

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The details of what happens DURING the seven last plagues are of little consequence, but they are interesting. Probation has closed when the plagues start, there will be no "conversions" for anybody. I see the details of the plagues as encouragment to "get ready", to trust in Him. Who bows down to whom at what point during the plagues is just another interesting detail.

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"You think that those who worship before the saint's feet (Rev.3:9), will at last be saved. Here I must differ with you; for God shew me that this class were professed Adventists, who had fallen away, and 'crucified to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.' And in the 'hour of temptation,' which is yet to come, to show out everyone's true character, they will know that they are forever lost; and ovewhelmed with anguish of spirit, they will bow at the saint's feet." E.G. White A Word To The Little Flock, 12.

This bowing at the feet of the saints in the "hour of temptation" which is to come upon the world takes place at the time of the fifth plague as shown in the book The Great Controversy,635,636,655,656.

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The seventh trumpet/third woe began Sept 11/01... the key is the fact that the last three trumpets were grouped differently as woes. Using the triple application of prophesy, the first two prophesy's characteristics will culminate in the third. The first woe was Islam attacking suddenly and without warning the western power, in a terrorist or guerrila style. The second woe was Isalm using newly developed explosives in their war against the powers of Christianity. The culmination of these was Islam attacking the western power of Christianity, suddenly in a guerrila or terrorist style using explosives.... 9/11.
 
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The seventh trumpet/third woe began Sept 11/01... the key is the fact that the last three trumpets were grouped differently as woes. Using the triple application of prophesy, the first two prophesy's characteristics will culminate in the third. The first woe was Islam attacking suddenly and without warning the western power, in a terrorist or guerrila style. The second woe was Isalm using newly developed explosives in their war against the powers of Christianity. The culmination of these was Islam attacking the western power of Christianity, suddenly in a guerrila or terrorist style using explosives.... 9/11.

I hear what you are saying.

The 7th trumpet signals the completion of the judgment in heaven, the close of probation and the start of 7 last plagues.

If you are right about 9/11, then we are all in serious trouble (and you weren't even a SDA back then if I remembered correctly).
 
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The 7th trumpet signals the completion of the judgment in heaven, the close of probation and the start of 7 last plagues.

Actually, I will disagree that the last trump is the seventh trumpet....

“This seventh trumpet is not that which is spoken of in 1Cor. 15:52 as the last trump, which
wakes the sleeping dead; but it is the seventh of the series of the seven trumpets, and like the
others of this series, occupies days (years) in sounding. In the days when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God shall be finished.
Not in the day when he shall begin to sound, not in the very commencement of his sounding, but in the early years of his sounding, the mystery of God shall be finished.
“From the events to take place under the sounding of the seventh trumpet, its commencement may be located with sufficient definiteness at the close of the prophetic periods in 1844.
Not many years from that date, then, the mystery of God is to be finished.” Daniel and the Revelation, 525.
 
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Actually, I will disagree that the last trump is the seventh trumpet....
“This seventh trumpet is not that which is spoken of in 1Cor. 15:52 as the last trump, which
wakes the sleeping dead; but it is the seventh of the series of the seven trumpets, and like the
others of this series, occupies days (years) in sounding. In the days when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God shall be finished.
Not in the day when he shall begin to sound, not in the very commencement of his sounding, but in the early years of his sounding, the mystery of God shall be finished.
“From the events to take place under the sounding of the seventh trumpet, its commencement may be located with sufficient definiteness at the close of the prophetic periods in 1844.
Not many years from that date, then, the mystery of God is to be finishedDaniel and the Revelation, 525.


Can you clarify what you are saying in regard to the quote you gave above?

I mean the DR quote refers to the Mighty Angel of Rev 10, not the 7th trumpet. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

 
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Can you clarify what you are saying in regard to the quote you gave above?

I mean the DR quote refers to the Mighty Angel of Rev 10, not the 7th trumpet. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

I was refering to your quote above that stated the 7th trumpet signals the end of judgement... it was actually began sounding at the beginning of the judgement and continues to blow.
 
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The seventh trumpet in 1844 announced that the mystery of God was to be finished. But because of unbelief the work was not finished. See The Great Controversy, 457,458. The work was delayed. It has been delayed ever since.

The mystery of God is "Christ in you the hope of glory." Col.1:27; Rev.10:7.

This mystery which was to be finished in the days following Jesus entering the most holy place in 1844 is described in the following words:

"The revelation of His own glory in the form of humanity (divinity and humanity combined; see F.W.27) will bring Heaven so near to men that the beauty adorning the inner temple will be seen in every soul in whom the Saviour dwells. Men will be CAPTIVATED bythe glory of an abiding Christ. And in currents of praise and thanksgiving from the many souls THUS won to God, glory will flow back to the great Giver." Christ's Object Lessons,420. *parenthesis supplied

"The divine fullness will flow through the consecrated human agent to be given forth to others... So from every true disciple is to be diffused an influence for life, courage, helpfulness, and true healing." Ibid,419.

When this witness shall have been given into all the world, the end will come and the judgments of God, the seven last plagues, will fall upon those who will have sealed their rejection of God's mercy.

"When He leaves the sanctuary, darkness (spiritual darkness) covers the inhabitants of the earth. In that fearful time the righteous must live in the sight of a holy God without an Intercessor. The restraint which has been upon the wicked is removed, and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent... The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation; the Spirit of God, persistently resisted, has been at last withdrawn. Unsheltered by divine grace, they have no protection from the wicked one. Satan will plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old." The Great Controversy,614.

Notice how it says that the angels will cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion.

"Soon God will show that He is indeed the living God. He will say to the angels, 'No longer combat Satan in his efforts to destroy. Let him work out his malignity upon the children of disobedience; for the cup of iniquity is full. They have advanced from one degree of wickedness to another, adding daily to their lawlessness. I will no longer interfere to prevent the destroyer from doing his work." RH Vol.4,335.

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I hear what you are saying.

The 7th trumpet signals the completion of the judgment in heaven, the close of probation and the start of 7 last plagues.

If you are right about 9/11, then we are all in serious trouble (and you weren't even a SDA back then if I remembered correctly).
I wouldn't put much stock with 9/11
 
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