Arizona GOP rejects single-day vote proposal

wing2000 · Sep 2, 2023

Some Arizona Republicans wanted the Arizona Republican Party to conduct the GOP primary on a single day, requiring voters to show up in person to vote via a paper ballot. The ballots would then be counted by hand. [Arizona hasn't done manual counting since 1880's, when it was still a territory].

For now, the party chair has rejected the idea:

Jeff DeWit, chair of the state party, concluded that the party does not have the money, the manpower or the infrastructure to run an election for an estimated 1.4 million eligible voters.
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Under state law, parties are allowed to opt out of publicly run elections. Under the county party’s model, the cash-strapped state party would pay for the election, draft election rules, locate and set up hundreds of polling sites, and recruit, hire and train election workers. The state party had about $200,000 cash on hand at the end of June, campaign finance records show.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/01/arizona-republican-primary-election-2024/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

Fantine · Sep 2, 2023

There are extremist groups in my town who are pushing for the same thing. I wouldn't trust partisan workers to count votes as far as I could throw them.

I am in my 70's, and began voting when I was 21 (voting at 18 was not yet legal.) Even then we used voting machines. We would push little levers for the candidates we wanted and a check mark would become visible. When we were finished, the votes were recorded but we did not have a physical printed record. We had a little punch card and put that in the ballot box.

Now I use an electronic voting machine. I select my choices on a touch screen and receive a printed copy that I can put in the ballot box. I can read the ballot and make sure my choices were accurately recorded.

Sadly, I trust impartial machines much much more than voter suppressors.

JustOneWay · Sep 2, 2023

wing2000 said:
Jeff DeWit, chair of the state party, concluded that the party does not have the money, the manpower or the infrastructure to run an election for an estimated 1.4 million eligible voters.

I wonder why?

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Aside from wasting money on two Big Lies, the Arizona GOP spent more than $530,000 on “vanity projects”

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Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 4, 2023

I thought the GOP was against wasting tax payer dollars.

FenderTL5 · Sep 4, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I thought the GOP was against wasting tax payer dollars.

That's a misnomer. The GOP understands spending on the public good on items such as healthcare, social security, infrastructure etc as a waste.

They have absolutely no qualms whatsoever on wasting tax dollars in general.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 4, 2023

FenderTL5 said:
That's a misnomer. The GOP understands spending on the public good on items such as healthcare, social security, infrastructure etc as a waste.

They have absolutely no qualms whatsoever on wasting tax dollars in general.

Yeah like spending tax dollars investigating Hunter Biden's lap top. :sigh:

Pommer · Sep 4, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yeah like spending tax dollars investigating Hunter Biden's lap top.

Where’d that thing wind up anyways?

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 4, 2023

Pommer said:
Where’d that thing wind up anyways?

It got lost somewhere, now they (GOP) want to spend tax dollars looking for it and accusing President Biden of covering it up. ^_^

dogs4thewin · Sep 5, 2023

Fantine said:
There are extremist groups in my town who are pushing for the same thing. I wouldn't trust partisan workers to count votes as far as I could throw them.

I am in my 70's, and began voting when I was 21 (voting at 18 was not yet legal.) Even then we used voting machines. We would push little levers for the candidates we wanted and a check mark would become visible. When we were finished, the votes were recorded but we did not have a physical printed record. We had a little punch card and put that in the ballot box.

Now I use an electronic voting machine. I select my choices on a touch screen and receive a printed copy that I can put in the ballot box. I can read the ballot and make sure my choices were accurately recorded.

Sadly, I trust impartial machines much much more than voter suppressors.

What if they had it where they were counted either by two people and/or by someone who had no dog in the fight as it were say someone who could not vote in that particular district and therefore would have little to no reason to not count honestly (particularly in cases where local issues were on the ballot even if state and federal ones were as well; sense such a person would have no reason to really care who held local office. You could even in some districts close to a state line do that with ballots that only had state issues because why for example would I, here in GA care who held SC office. ( closest state line in my case) though it would still be a little far to do something like that(

NxNW · Sep 6, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yeah like spending tax dollars investigating Hunter Biden's lap top.

Alleged laptop.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 6, 2023

NxNW said:
Alleged laptop.

Well, it is reported that there is an actual laptop.

Nithavela · Sep 6, 2023

Just mentioning that lots of countries are able to do elections with hand counted paper ballots. I'm sure the USA could do it too.

Pommer · Sep 6, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Well, it is reported that there is an actual laptop.

“Hunter’s Laptop” is the “Russell’s Teapot” of the 21st Century.

wing2000 · Sep 6, 2023

Nithavela said:
Just mentioning that lots of countries are able to do elections with hand counted paper ballots. I'm sure the USA could do it too.

Name one.

Nithavela · Sep 7, 2023

wing2000 said:
Name one.

Germany.

PsaltiChrysostom · Sep 7, 2023

Except hand counted ballots produce more errors

Hand-Counting Votes: A Proven Bad Idea

Efforts to replace modern voting machines with hand-counting are based on false conspiracy theories. But the machines do still need to be protected and kept up to date.

www.brennancenter.org

Why do election experts oppose hand-counting ballots?

Why do election experts oppose hand-counting ballots? It takes longer than counting with machines, it’s less reliable, and it’s a logistical nightmare for U.S. elections.

apnews.com

Gene2memE · Sep 7, 2023

Australia hand counts too.

With our first past the post & preferences system, this can make things slow. A full count can take up to 10 days.

wing2000 · Sep 7, 2023

Nithavela said:
Germany.

Germany "hand counts" their ballots? Arizona hasn't done that since the 19th Century....

wing2000 · Sep 7, 2023

A small Arizona county did a test hand count earlier this year....local officials thought twice after that experience.

Conservative Arizona county votes against hand-counting ballots in 2024 election

A conservative county in northwestern Arizona voted Tuesday against a proposal to hand-count ballots in the 2024 election, after the local elections director argued against the proposal due to its …

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