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Human footprints found at White Sands date back 19,000 to 26,500 years ago

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" 60 footprints embedded in an ancient lake bed in what is now White Sands National Park in south central New Mexico are strong evidence that humans occupied the New World between about 21,000 and 23,000 years ago. "

"These prints were made during the height of the Last Glacial Maximum, the span between about 19,000 and 26,500 years ago when the ice age was at its peak and glaciers covered roughly one-third of Earth's land."

Fossilized footprints in New Mexico are earliest 'unequivocal evidence' of people in the Americas
 

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I guess they did not yet discuss how those footprints became fossilized?
It's implicit in the depositional environment of the sediments containing the footprints. From the paper in Science:
The precise history of Lake Otero is not currently known, but it was the largest of several perennial lakes that filled the basin between ~36 and 19 ka (15). Throughout this period, changes in the hydrological budget in the Tularosa Basin led to a range of water levels and therefore lake and wetland extents associated with fluctuations in precipitation, groundwater input, and inflow or outflow.

Humans walk on soft sediment and leave footprints; footprints covered by fresh sediment; sediment slowly lithifies; researchers cut trenches, exposing footprints. Again, from the journal article:
A sedimentary sequence exposed by trenching consists of 1.25 m of lacustrine clays and silts intercalated with thinly bedded gypsiferous and siliciclastic sands, silts, and clays, which represent a transition from a lacustrine ecosystem to an alluvial regime in response to changing hydroclimate conditions during the late Pleistocene (Fig. 2 and fig. S2). Endocarps of ditch grass (Ruppia cirrhosa) occur as discontinuous layers throughout the sequence. Footprints (human, proboscidean, and canid) occur at all levels, both in cross sections and on excavated surfaces adjacent to the trench (Figs. 1, B to E, and 2 and figs. S4 to S10). A total of 61 human tracks have been identified and documented.
 
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It's implicit in the depositional environment of the sediments containing the footprints.
Thanks for taking the time to look up the explanation. I think that as a YEC I would tend to believe that some faster processes created those fossilized footprints. But the authors then do not make that connection.

Thanks for a refreshing news relevant in the YEC debate arena :)
 
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The flood caused all these layering of sediments. How long does it take for a fossil to form?

Here's a doosey of deep-time propaganda for you:

Fossils, by definition, require at least ten thousand years to form, or it's not a true fossil.

Only on paper! :doh:
 
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Big deal.

I believe Noah lived in [what is now] New Jersey before the Flood; and built the Ark there.
and Pandora and Epimetheus lived in what is now Bayonne.
 
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and Pandora and Epimetheus lived in what is now Bayonne.

“After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear.”

― J.R.R. Tolkien
 
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The flood caused all these layering of sediments. How long does it take for a fossil to form?
Your premise is flawed and so the scientific answer to your question would be meaningless to you. But, if you insist: go to the miscellaneous draw in your kitchen, find a piece of string, measure it, convert the length to time using a suitable conversion factor.
 
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Your premise is flawed and so the scientific answer to your question would be meaningless to you. But, if you insist: go to the miscellaneous draw in your kitchen, find a piece of string, measure it, convert the length to time using a suitable conversion factor.
Do you dispute that there was a world wide flood about 4500 years ago? Is that the "flawed premise" ?
 
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Do you dispute that there was a world wide flood about 4500 years ago? Is that the "flawed premise" ?
I rarely deal in absolutes, but I make the occassional exception. There is no evidence for a global flood 4,500 years ago that matches in any meaningful shape, form, or fashion the flood described in Genesis. There is a multitude of evidence for fluctuations in sea level throughout the Earths history, more recently as part of the response to the current interglacial. There is similar diverse evidence for local flooding events in many places around the globe. Falsely conflating any of that evidence into evidence for a global flood is not just bad science, it philosophically unsound, and spiritually questionable. (I am not saying you are doing this, just covering the ground for any one who is guilty of it.)
 
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I rarely deal in absolutes, but I make the occassional exception. There is no evidence for a global flood 4,500 years ago that matches in any meaningful shape, form, or fashion the flood described in Genesis. There is a multitude of evidence for fluctuations in sea level throughout the Earths history, more recently as part of the response to the current interglacial. There is similar diverse evidence for local flooding events in many places around the globe. Falsely conflating any of that evidence into evidence for a global flood is not just bad science, it philosophically unsound, and spiritually questionable. (I am not saying you are doing this, just covering the ground for any one who is guilty of it.)
Right ok, well evidence is always evidence within some system of interpretation. So when you say that there is no evidence for a global flood, you should probably then clarify what kind of evidence you would be looking for, within some system.

For me there is so ample evidence
I realize it is then within my frame of interpretation, but a short list
- the existence of grand canyon
- the death and burial of a lot of animals, including dinosaurs
- the fact that one can find seeming tropical remains under antarctica
- the historical record of a flood e.g. in the Bible
- the fact that continents seem to match, and must have been torn apart by something really violent
- massive sand deposits in some places, massive limestone deposits in other places. I do not think these deposits were made over long stretches of time. It makes more sense that it would have happened rapidly in some sort of major geological event
OK I should stop here. You get the gist, I am sure.

feel free to attack my ideas :)
ps. I go to my summer house in a few moments, and will only be back monday evening, but I will see your answer in the notification.
 
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