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Florida family behind ‘church’ that sold bleach as a COVID cure goes to trial this week

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The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing was operated out of a home in Bradenton in Manatee County. Through websites, social media, books and podcasts, the Grenon family promoted their “Miracle Mineral Solution” as a cure for 95% of the world’s known diseases, including HIV/AIDS, autism, Alzheimer’s, leukemia and COVID-19.

Prosecutors say the Grenons made over $1 million before federal authorities cracked down on them for distributing an unapproved and misbranded drug in 2020.

The family — Mark Grenon and his sons Jonathan Grenon, Joseph Grenon and Jordan Grenon — were arrested and charged after they continued to distribute and promote the substance and were openly defiant of court orders.

Officials have blamed the ingestion of MMS for several deaths, as well as severe illness and hospitalization.

In April 2020, federal authorities sent the Grenons a warning letter ordering them to stop sales of MMS.

“We can say cure, heal and treat as a Free Church,” Genesis allegedly said in a response letter. “There will be NO corrective actions on our part. ... You have no authority over us! ... Never going to happen.”

The Grenons’ open defiance of the court order ultimately led to criminal charges and a federal raid on the family’s Bradenton home, where federal investigators say they found loaded guns, nearly 10,000 pounds of sodium chlorite powder and thousands of bottles of MMS.


Religious Persecution!
 

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Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week

The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.
 
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I guess this is the sort of story that gives some people the warm fuzzies.
Do I get warm fuzzies from dangerous scam artists being brought to justice? Guilty as charged!
 
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Do I get warm fuzzies from dangerous scam artists being brought to justice? Guilty as charged!
No I mean, you get the warm fuzzies particularly because the scam artists in this case just so happen to be Christian.
 
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No I mean, you get the warm fuzzies particularly because the scam artists in this case just so happen to be Christian.
Although they used a 'church' to allegedly shield their crimes, I have no idea what their religious affiliation is.
 
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Although they used a 'church' to allegedly shield their crimes, I have no idea what their religious affiliation is.
So you're saying there's a chance they may actually not be Christian?
 
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So you're saying there's a chance they may actually not be Christian?
Does it matter? They were scam artists pedaling poison, they should be behind bars no matter the religion they are hiding behind.
 
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So you're saying there's a chance they may actually not be Christian?
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
 
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
I mean, I think you know they claim to be Christian. They've got "GENESIS" in the name of their church lol
 
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Does it matter? They were scam artists pedaling poison, they should be behind bars no matter the religion they are hiding behind.
True. I agree. I'm not defending them.
 
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I mean, I think you know they claim to be Christian. They've got "GENESIS" in the name of their church lol
If the church is (as prosecutors allege) a scam, I don't know how much you can learn about the scam artists by looking at the 'theology' of the church.
 
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If the church is (as prosecutors allege) a scam, I don't know how much you can learn about the scam artists by looking at the 'theology' of the church.
well that's... ambiguous
 
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well that's... ambiguous
If you're going to run a religious scam in the US, and your goal is to make a lot of money, you don't pretend to be a Zoroastrian agiary.

You drop your bait in the largest pond.
 
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If you're going to run a religious scam in the US, and your goal is to make a lot of money, you don't pretend to be a Zoroastrian agiary.

You drop your bait in the largest pond.
Free-market theology?
 
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A federal jury in Miami found Mark Grenon, 65, and his sons, 37-year-old Jonathan, 35-year-old Joseph and 29-year-old Jordan, guilty of conspiring to defraud the United States and deliver misbranded drugs, according to court records. That charge carries up to five years in prison. Their sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 6.

Interesting detail: U.S. authorities agreed to drop ... contempt charges against Mark and Joseph Grenon as a condition of their extradition from Colombia.
 
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A federal jury in Miami found Mark Grenon, 65, and his sons, 37-year-old Jonathan, 35-year-old Joseph and 29-year-old Jordan, guilty of conspiring to defraud the United States and deliver misbranded drugs, according to court records. That charge carries up to five years in prison. Their sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 6.

Florida man, sons sentenced to years in prison after being convicted of selling bleach as fake COVID-19 cure


Jonathan Grenon, 37, and Jordan Grenon, 29, were sentenced on Friday to 151 months in prison for conspiring to defraud the United States by distributing an unapproved and misbranded drug, and for contempt of court, according to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office Southern District of Florida. Mark Grenon, 66, and Joseph Grenon, 36, were sentenced to 60 months in prison, the statutory maximm for conspiring to defraud the United States by distributing an unapproved and misbranded drug.

Prosecutors called the Grenons "con men" and "snake-oil salesmen" and said the family's Genesis II Church of Health and Healing sold $1 million worth of their so-called Miracle Mineral Solution, distributing it to tens of thousands of people nationwide. In videos, the solution was sold as a cure for 95% of known diseases, including COVID-19, Alzheimer's, autism, brain cancer, HIV/AIDS and multiple sclerosis, prosecutors said.
 
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