Christian Preschool Sues State of Colorado

Hank77 · Jul 15, 2023

Another civil rights/religious freedom lawsuit coming out of Colorado.
Colorado instituted the Universal Pre-K program that guarantees at least 15 hrs of free preschool to every 4 yr. old in Colorado. Not really. If your employees must adhere to certain beliefs and be qualified to teach those beliefs then your school's 4 yr. olds are out of luck.
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The preschool is open to children of all faiths and backgrounds and has enrolled families who do not share the school’s religious beliefs. But it says it’s important to have employees who share Christian beliefs.
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The school, which was approved to be a UPK provider, requested and was denied a religious exemption. The school says it now must choose between adhering to its religious beliefs and dropping participating in UPK, or giving up its beliefs and participating equally with other preschools. It alleges that choice is unconstitutional.

Christian preschool sues state, wants to require employees hold specific religious beliefs while still enrolling in Colorado universal pre-k program

The Chaffee County preschool said yes. The state said no. The courts will decide.

www.cpr.org

public hermit · Jul 15, 2023

This is so annoying. I don't want my tax dollars going to support religious ideology of any kind in school and neither should they. I'm sure these same people would be appalled if it were a fundamentalist Muslim UPK. Keep it secular, or you don't get funding.

Hank77 · Jul 15, 2023

public hermit said:
This is so annoying. I don't want my tax dollars going to support religious ideology of any kind in school and neither should they. I'm sure these same people would be appalled if it were a fundamentalist Muslim UPK. Keep it secular, or you don't get funding.

The Christian school's curriculum was accepted in the program, they just ran into problems with employee hiring practices.

Muslims, Jews, etc. would get the same religious exception and I certainly
wouldn't have any problem with that.

RestoreTheJoy · Jul 16, 2023

Hank77 said:
Another civil rights/religious freedom lawsuit coming out of Colorado.
Colorado instituted the Universal Pre-K program that guarantees at least 15 hrs of free preschool to every 4 yr. old in Colorado. Not really. If your employees must adhere to certain beliefs and be qualified to teach those beliefs then your school's 4 yr. olds are out of luck.
...
The preschool is open to children of all faiths and backgrounds and has enrolled families who do not share the school’s religious beliefs. But it says it’s important to have employees who share Christian beliefs.
...
The school, which was approved to be a UPK provider, requested and was denied a religious exemption. The school says it now must choose between adhering to its religious beliefs and dropping participating in UPK, or giving up its beliefs and participating equally with other preschools. It alleges that choice is unconstitutional.

Christian preschool sues state, wants to require employees hold specific religious beliefs while still enrolling in Colorado universal pre-k program

The Chaffee County preschool said yes. The state said no. The courts will decide.

www.cpr.org

Your assertion is only true - that "4 year olds are out of luck" in terms of free preschool IF no other options exist other than Christian preschools. Is that the case? Not seeing that.

The school has to decide whether it will be true to its charter or if it wants the UPK money.

Hank77 · Jul 17, 2023

RestoreTheJoy said:
The school has to decide whether it will be true to its charter or if it wants the UPK money.

Uh, yeah. But should they have to choose?

rambot · Jul 17, 2023

Hank77 said:
Uh, yeah. But should they have to choose?

Why not? I've read thr American public school system should be based on choice.

Hank77 · Jul 17, 2023

rambot said:
Why not? I've read thr American public school system should be based on choice.

Can't you come up with a better argument than that?

I've come to the point where I believe that the tax money per child should go with the child to whichever school the parents choose.

Pommer · Jul 17, 2023

Hank77 said:
Can't you come up with a better argument than that?

I've come to the point where I believe that the tax money per child should go with the child to whichever school the parents choose.

The free-market+a necessary service!
Look how good it has done for the American Healthcare sector!

wing2000 · Jul 17, 2023

Hank77 said:
Uh, yeah. But should they have to choose?

Yes, they should. If you accept state money, expect to play be the state rules.

rambot · Jul 17, 2023

Hank77 said:
Can't you come up with a better argument than that?

I've come to the point where I believe that the tax money per child should go with the child to whichever school the parents choose.

And they still can. It's just that their school would not receive the funding. They can still run the program and parents can still choose it. They will likely pay a higher price, but they can.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jul 17, 2023

If Religious schools want to give their students 15 days of free services. Then it should come from the Church, Temple, or Christians schools. Are Religious schools and Churches paying taxes?

Pommer · Jul 17, 2023

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
If Religious schools want to give their students 15 days of free services. Then it should come from the Church, Temple, or Christians schools. Are Religious schools and Churches paying taxes?

The schools are a necessary element within the communities that they serve.
They educate children, both in the usual secular manner and for parochial matters.

Religious schools do not pay taxes (AFAIK, IANAL), but not allowing them to receive any public-monies to do this work would mean that we’d have to build a lot more schools.
I think it’s a compromise and a work-around…but it sorta works.

Hank77 · Jul 19, 2023

Pommer said:
The free-market+a necessary service!
Look how good it has done for the American Healthcare sector!

Could you be a little more specific? What about the healthcare system are you referring to?

Hank77 · Jul 19, 2023

wing2000 said:
Yes, they should. If you accept state money, expect to play be the state rules.

The state's rules can be changed.
Sex marriage was illegal, now it isn't. Should it not have changed because it wasn't legal and at least in my state of Colorado over 50% of the voters voted to keep it illegal.

Hank77 · Jul 19, 2023

rambot said:
And they still can. It's just that their school would not receive the funding. They can still run the program and parents can still choose it. They will likely pay a higher price, but they can.

I already pointed out all that information previously in this thread. The question is should they have to choose between giving up the funding and having to hire people who they don't feel are qualified to teach in their school?

Pommer · Jul 19, 2023

Hank77 said:
Could you be a little more specific? What about the healthcare system are you referring to?

‘Twas but a jest.

wing2000 · Jul 19, 2023

Hank77 said:
The state's rules can be changed.
Sex marriage was illegal, now it isn't. Should it not have changed because it wasn't legal and at least in my state of Colorado over 50% of the voters voted to keep it illegal.

My point is a religious school should never accept any government funding in the first place.

Hank77 · Jul 20, 2023

wing2000 said:
My point is a religious school should never accept any government funding in the first place.

Why?

Hans Blaster · Jul 20, 2023

wing2000 said:
My point is a religious school should never accept any government funding in the first place.

They should never be *offered* any money.

RestoreTheJoy · Jul 20, 2023

Hank77 said:
Uh, yeah. But should they have to choose?

No, of course not. But the malcontents complain that a Christian school has Christian staff instead of selecting another school. And the government wants everyone working and every kid in Pre-K.

So, the school can either be true to its charter or take the money.

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