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Texas judge still fighting to deny wedding ceremonies to gay couples
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Quo warrento?
In addition this judge doesn't seem to understand the difference between a right and a privilege.
License. The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain
privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act.
License
Definition of License in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
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Right. But what people have on their pizza vs. having a standard of morality and promoting a lifestyle that until 20 minutes ago had been considered sinful is a different thing altogether.
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I know that you are new here; so I'll say this one more time.
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I'm not going to mention the statement of purpose for this forum again.
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You are focusing on the second clause, which involves recognition of marriages contracted in other states, and completely ignoring the first clause which involves the state itself licensing marriages.
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This is not related to the topic of the op, but is a general answer to your earlier question on morality in general. And in general I think that something is wrong if it causes harm. It's that simple. That someone might not like it is of no concern. If it offends somebody, it is of no concern. If someone says it contradicts a religious belief, then it is of no concern. If it contradicts a societal norm then it is of no concern. And if there is a single example where it might cause harm, then I won't extrapolate that to the whole, but treat it as a single example.
I hope that helps. Now, I shan't be discussing the morality of SSM in itself, so back to the thread.
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I was trying to cut Okie off at the pass so that he doesn't ask more questions regarding the morality of SSM and derail the thread. Hopefully if has any questions regarding morality in general he'll start a new thread.
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Please pay attention to Hark!'s comments wrt how this forum works. He's on staff.
"Discussion and debate should only be directed toward political, legal..."
There is no compelling interest for the government to prevent SSM as a legal matter between consenting adults.
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Study after study has shown that children without a dad are more likely to be addicted to drugs, alcoholics, self-harming, suicidal, etc. etc.
That should rule out lesbian relationships at the very least - if you are wanting to save people harm. On average kids without a dad in the home are FAR more likely to have problems (although there are many exceptions to every rule).
Now I've heard similar things about children of homosexuals, but I'm sure there are surveys that say the opposite as well (polls/surveys are easy to manipulate). But literally everything I've ever seen shows a correlation between no father in household to many difficulties (on average) for those children.
And I'm trying to figure out how the morality of SSM is NOT related to the initial post?
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Even if I stipulate that that's true, I know it's also true for poor children. But we don't prevent poor parents from marrying. Or from having children (because marriage is actually not required for children to occur.)
No doubt the judge is motivated by her own personal moral standards, but the issue is whether her employer can or can't legally expect her to do her job for everyone legally entitled to marry in her jurisdiction. Do her religious freedom rights outweigh the government's requirement to serve all citizens equally?
Whether SSM is REALLY moral or not doesn't even matter in this case (and is not suitable for discussion on this website). SSM is legal throughout the United States and that's the situation that pertains as the background of this case.
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You should start a thread on the matter. And when you do it's a good idea, if not a necessary requirement, to show where you might be getting your information from. Add a link, quote a person, post a short article...it's par for the course. Then we can check the bona fides of your sources. And when I say that all the reports in the first couple of pages of a Google search regarding children of SSMs show the exact opposite of what you are saying then you can make sure I give examples.
That's the way it generally works.
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If you think a fatherless home is harmful to children, and so lesbian marriages should be oulawed, then you must feel even more strongly that single mothers should be outlawed. If not, then one can logically conclude that two women raising a child would at least be better than one.
And your argument is worthless against lesbian couples who don't intend to raise children.
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SIDEBAR QUESTION:
Can you work in a government position and NOT carry out the job titles of your position for ANY reason other than physical safety?
I don't understand how someone can choose not to do their job. It makes sense to me that EVERY judge should be able to enforce/make judgement on, the totality of the law and if they are UNWILLING (and let's be clear, it's not "unable" it's "unwilling"), they should be demoted to a job where they would be able to fulfil the entirety of the duty and where they feel comfortable.
This seems reasonable.
Can you work in a government position and NOT carry out the job titles of your position for ANY reason other than physical safety?
I don't understand how someone can choose not to do their job. It makes sense to me that EVERY judge should be able to enforce/make judgement on, the totality of the law and if they are UNWILLING (and let's be clear, it's not "unable" it's "unwilling"), they should be demoted to a job where they would be able to fulfil the entirety of the duty and where they feel comfortable.
This seems reasonable.
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Then check with @HARK! He's a staff member and, more to the point, it's his thread. If he says it's ok then go for your life. If he doesn't then start another one.
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