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Is Jesus God?

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Yes according to Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen.

Is Jesus = God?

The equal sign carries mathematical transitivity import. In some sense, this is true; in some other sense, it is not. It is better to stick to the wording of the Bible and not to over-generalize. God (or Godhead the Divine Being) is a complex concept in the Bible. God and Jesus are distinct manifestations.

Jesus says in Luke‬ ‭8:39‬ "Return to your home, and declare how much God has done for you." And he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city how much Jesus had done for him.

The above is a significant parallel between God and Jesus.

The church obtained by Jesus is the church of God in Acts 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

Paul describes some bodily mechanics in Colossians 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Jesus]

Colossians 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.

Titus 2:13 [We are] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

The phrase could refer to one or two entities. Either way is fine.

2 Peter 1 echoes the same concept:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Christ is God.

Now, let statement H = ∀h, if h is a human, then h is not God.

One can produce logical proofs/evidences that Jesus was a human because Jesus was born a man.
But then we cannot apply H to Jesus. Jesus is the unique exception to that rule.

At the same time, one can also find logical proofs that Jesus is God because he is.

So how do I resolve the issue?

I look at two sets of proofs/evidences/arguments:

1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus is not God, ignoring the ones that merely prove that Jesus was a man.

I assign a weight to each argument in the two sets according to this weighting scheme: I overweight direct statements over implied conclusions. I overweight simple arguments over complicated ones.

So far, according to my weighting, Jesus is God comfortably outweighs the opposite.

BTW, I have not heard of a proof of "Jesus is not God" that I didn't already know 10 years ago, i.e., in the last 10 years, I haven't heard anything new concerning Jesus is not God.

Next, is Jesus the Son of God?

John 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

Jesus claims that he is the Son of God.

How can Jesus be both God and Son of God?

With humans, that is impossible but not with God. Jesus continued:

38b "even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”​

Yes, this is a first-order logical mystery. By faith, I believe that Jesus is God and Jesus is the Son of God. It is a mysterious divine nature/attribute.
 
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Yes Jesus is God, He is the Son the visible part of The Godhead, being that in The Tanakh when you see Moses, Abraham, Jacob (wrestling with God), etc...actually seeing and speaking to The Angel of The Lord. They are speaking to and seeing a preincarnate Jesus. Who they all state, acknowledge or understand they are speaking to God.
 

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Yes according to Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen.

Is Jesus = God?

The equal sign carries mathematical import. In some sense, this is true; in some other sense, it is not. It is better to stick to the wording of the Bible and not to over-generalize. God (or Godhead the Divine Being) is a complex concept in the Bible. God and Jesus are distinct manifestations.

Jesus says in Luke‬ ‭8:39‬ "Return to your home, and declare how much God has done for you." And he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city how much Jesus had done for him.

The above is a significant parallel between God and Jesus.

The church obtained by Jesus is the church of God in Acts 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

Paul describes some bodily mechanics in Colossians 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Jesus]

Colossians 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.

Titus 2:13 [We are] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

The phrase could refer to one or two entities. Either way is fine.

2 Peter 1 echoes the same concept:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Christ is God.

Now, let statement H = ∀h, if h is a human, then h is not God.

One can produce logical proofs/evidences that Jesus was a human because Jesus was born a man.
But then we cannot apply H to Jesus. Jesus is the unique exception to that rule.

At the same time, one can also find logical proofs that Jesus is God because he is.

So how do I resolve the issue?

I look at two sets of proofs/evidences/arguments:

1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus is not God, ignoring the ones that merely prove that Jesus was a man.
Jesus is God and man. He is the mingling of God with man.

To "mingle" two or more things together means to combine them so that they remain distinguishable in the combination.
In Jesus Christ we discern God. In Jesus Christ we discern man.
He is the mingling of God and man.

If I wanted to be a bit mischevous I would put it this way "Jesus Christ is New and Improved God."
There, that should get me into some trouble.
How can perfect be "improved?"

Well, this is a good point. But God became mingled with humanity.
And you know what? God became mingled with man so that He could reproduce and mass produce this mingling in millions of sons of God.

John 12:24 - Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

Unless this God-man dies the divine life of the Father is ever concealed only in Him.
He dies not only to shed His redeeming blood. But He died to break open the shell of His humanity to release the divine life from within Him. He would go into the ground and die in order to multiply and produce "much fruit". The one grain was meant to multiply to produce many grains in reproduction.

The church is the mingling extendend. The church is not an organization but a organism. It is the organism of God and man united, mingled, in mutual incorporation. The church is the mingling of God and man produced by the death and resurrection of God-man Jesus the Son of God.

Yes, this is a first-order logical mystery. By faith, I believe that Jesus is God and Jesus is the Son of God. It is a mysterious divine nature/attribute.
Yes, there are things which are mysterious which we can experience and enjoy.

We shall be like Him.
His Godhead we do not share. But the communicable attributes of the Son of God God intends we share.

He came not for a one-way trip but a round-trip.
He came as God in a man to reproduce God in many men.

We will never be objects of worship.
We will never be creators of universes.
We will not be omnipresnet, omnipotent, or omniscient.
We had a beginning and cannot like God have no beginning.

But God became man that man might become God in life and nature but not in His Godhead.
Now lets see the mighty prayer the the Son petitioned the Father with.
We will see that the oneness He had with the Father He petitions that His redeeed be brought INTO that same.

John 17:21-24 -

That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.


And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one;

I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me.

Father, concerning that which You have given Me, I desire that they also may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory, which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
 
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The Father and Son are One (John 10:30)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it ... (John 1:1-5)​
14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth ... (John 1:14)​
 

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Amen indeed to the above post.

I am not adept at graphics. But I would like to know what was so "ha-ha" about my post on
the mingling of God and man in Jesus Christ and our being brought also into that mingling?

tonychanyt, why was your reaction a "ha-ha" graphic ?
 
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