Did Jesus ABOLISH the Mosaic Law?

tonychanyt said:

That depends on what you mean by abolish.

Moses' Law separated Jews from the Gentiles.

Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple in Matthew 24:

2 he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down [G2647].”​

thrown down
καταλυθήσεται (katalythēsetai)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 2647: From kata and luo; to loosen down, i.e. to demolish.

Strong's Greek: 2647. καταλύω (kataluó) — 17 Occurrences

Jesus predicted the temple would be G2647-demolished or broken down or dismantled.

This same Greek word was used earlier. Jesus declared in Matthew 5:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish [G2647] the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.​

Jesus did not H2647-dismantle the Law but the physical Jerusalem temple would be H2647-dismantled. The demolition of the temple was a sign that Jesus fulfilled the Law. The temple was no longer necessary to reach the LORD.

Paul added in Ephesians 2:

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15a by abolishing [G2673] in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees.​

This is a different κατα-word.

by abolishing
καταργήσας (katargēsas)
Verb - Aorist Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 2673: From kata and argeo; to be entirely idle

Strong's Greek: 2673. καταργέω (katargeó) — 27 Occurrences

HELPS Word-studies:

2673 katargéō (from 2596 /katá, "down to a point," intensifying 691 /argéō, "inactive, idle") – properly, **idle down**, rendering something inert ("completely inoperative"); i.e. being of no effect (totally without force, completely brought down); done away with, cause to cease and therefore abolish; make invalid, abrogate (bring to nought); "to make idle or inactive".​

By his sacrifice on the cross in the flesh, Jesus G2673-abolished or idled down the Law and did not G2647-demolish it.

15b He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace​

In Christ, there is no more distinction between Jews and Gentiles. There is only one new humanity.

16 and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.​

In Christ, there is no partition between Jews and Gentiles and there is no partition between men and God. Now, everyone can approach God through the sacrifice of Christ.

Instead of abolished, the Berean Literal Bible uses:

having annulled in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances, so that He might create in Himself the two into one new man, making peace,​

Did Jesus abolish Moses' law?

Because the meanings of καταλύω and vκαταργέω overlap, I am not even against people who say that Jesus abolished the Law so long as they understand that Jesus did not dismantle the Law into fallen pieces as the Romans did to the Temple in 70 AD. In any case, Jesus did abolish the partition between Jews and Gentiles, and between men and God, by fulfilling the Law and the Prophets.

Paul explained in Acts 13:

39 Through him [Jesus] everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.​

and in Romans 10:

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.​

Bottom line, Hebrews 8:

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.​

The Mosiac Law is not destroyed but is annulled.

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SabbathBlessings said:

A covenant is just an agreement, not a set of laws. God did not delete His laws and fulfilled does not mean the same thing Jesus said He came not to do, destroy. Fulfill in Matthew 5:17 means to fill-full. Like when one fill-full their wedding vows does not mean destroy and can now commit adultery.

Jesus said not to break the least of the commandments

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myst33 said:

So, what specific laws from the Old Testament still apply? From what you quote, all of them.

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SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus was quoting from the Ten when He said not to break the least of the commandments. Matthew 5:19-30 This came in a unit of Ten that God personally spoke and wrote and added no more Deut 4:13, Exodus 32:16 Deut 5:22

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myst33 said:

So Christians are to keep only the 10 and nothing more, from the Old Testament?

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SabbathBlessings said:

You are changing what is being discussed. Jesus said not to break the least of the commandments quoting from the Ten Matthew 5:19-30.

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myst33 said:

Its a simple question, because you are unclear. Are we to keep just the 10? Or more? It should be very easy to answer that.

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SabbathBlessings said:

I'm not unclear, but I am trying to stay on topic. I already said there are more laws to keep other than the Ten, like the greatest commandments from the law of Moses that Jesus quotes. I would be concerned about the warning Jesus gives about not keeping the least of the commandments or teach others to not keep. Matthew 5:19

If you want to talk about all other laws aside from the Ten why don't you start a new post.

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tonychanyt said:

Right

Is the old covenant obsolete?

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tonychanyt said:

That depends on what you mean by abolish.

Moses' Law separated Jews from the Gentiles.

Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple in Matthew 24:

2 he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down [G2647].”​

thrown down
καταλυθήσεται (katalythēsetai)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 2647: From kata and luo; to loosen down, i.e. to demolish.

Strong's Greek: 2647. καταλύω (kataluó) — 17 Occurrences

Jesus predicted the temple would be G2647-demolished or broken down or dismantled.

This same Greek word was used earlier. Jesus declared in Matthew 5:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish [G2647] the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.​

Jesus did not H2647-dismantle the Law but the physical Jerusalem temple would be H2647-dismantled. The demolition of the temple was a sign that Jesus fulfilled the Law. The temple was no longer necessary to reach the LORD.

Paul added in Ephesians 2:

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15a by abolishing [G2673] in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees.​

This is a different κατα-word.

by abolishing
καταργήσας (katargēsas)
Verb - Aorist Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 2673: From kata and argeo; to be entirely idle

Strong's Greek: 2673. καταργέω (katargeó) — 27 Occurrences

HELPS Word-studies:

2673 katargéō (from 2596 /katá, "down to a point," intensifying 691 /argéō, "inactive, idle") – properly, **idle down**, rendering something inert ("completely inoperative"); i.e. being of no effect (totally without force, completely brought down); done away with, cause to cease and therefore abolish; make invalid, abrogate (bring to nought); "to make idle or inactive".​

By his sacrifice on the cross in the flesh, Jesus G2673-abolished or idled down the Law and did not G2647-demolish it.

15b He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace​

In Christ, there is no more distinction between Jews and Gentiles. There is only one new humanity.

16 and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.​

In Christ, there is no partition between Jews and Gentiles and there is no partition between men and God. Now, everyone can approach God through the sacrifice of Christ.

Instead of abolished, the Berean Literal Bible uses:

having annulled in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances, so that He might create in Himself the two into one new man, making peace,​

Did Jesus abolish Moses' law?

Because the meanings of καταλύω and vκαταργέω overlap, I am not even against people who say that Jesus abolished the Law so long as they understand that Jesus did not dismantle the Law into fallen pieces as the Romans did to the Temple in 70 AD. In any case, Jesus did abolish the partition between Jews and Gentiles, and between men and God, by fulfilling the Law and the Prophets.

Paul explained in Acts 13:

39 Through him [Jesus] everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.​

and in Romans 10:

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.​

Bottom line, Hebrews 8:

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.​

The Mosiac Law is not destroyed but is annulled.

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tonychanyt said:

Do you obey the OT laws and regulations?

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d taylor said:

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Jesus did not come to abolish The Mosaic Law and during the 1000 millennium rule of Jesus. The Law will be enforced by Jesus to rule the people of earth during the millennium with an iron hand.

Even your thoughts will be judged by The Law

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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SabbathBlessings said:

Judgement is on the last day, its before the millennium.

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Matthew 5:17-30 is before the Second Coming of Jesus helping us prepare for Judgement Day and Jesus does know our every thought.

There are two resurrections one for those in Christ and one after the millennium for those not written in the book of life. During the millennium, the saints will go up with Christ for the 1000 years and Satan will be bound on earth with no one to tempt.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 20: 1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.

When Satan is bound on the earth for a 1000 years the Earth will be desolate. Jer 4:23-26 Those who are alive at the time of His Second Coming and are not part of the Book of Life will be slain at Christ's coming. 2 The 1:5-8, Rev 19 and will not rise until after the 1000 years to face Judgement/death. Rev 20:5

After this, Jesus will make a New Heaven and New Earth and everything will be made new and Jesus will dwell with His people forevermore and sin will never rise up again. Rev 21

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d taylor said:

I reject all SDA teaching, so i disagree with what you wrote.

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SabbathBlessings said:

I only quoted scripture, so I guess that's your loss because its not SDA teaching that is being rejected. If you have a scripture argument, you want to present that shows any error in the scripture I posted, feel free to do so.

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d taylor said:

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Everybody when supporting their theology quotes scripture so that means nothing, that you can quote scripture.

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