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It would actually be nice if that was the end of the story. If it had been I'd be fine with homosexual civil unions and the like...
But no... that's not the issue.
When we have LGBTQ (+ the rest of the alphabet most likely) activists invading our churches so that we have no space for proper worship, our schools trying to indoctrinate our children into LGBTQ lifestyles, when they flood our televisions with advertisements in an attempt to desensitize the shock factor of the grotesque, when we are hammered ON EVERY Single Front (businesses, higher educational opportunities and more) with all this LGBTQ nonsense....
Then no... Your definitely making a declaration of war. And when you declare war... You can be certain there's going to be a fight.
So here we are, full of regrets for not listening to those crazy preachers who were spouting warnings that sounded like nutty conspiracy theories 30 and 40 years ago ...
Because you know what? We should have listened back then, and done anything within our power to prevent what is happening right now in this nation. Because we have now witnessed those conspiracy theories come to life.
But instead, we listened to people who claimed they only wanted to be left alone. One of the biggest LIES in history.
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You don't have to. But like the kid with the t shirt, there's a time and a place and a way to put a point across. But you don't get to demand anything. Your arsenal consists of reasonable argument. And let me tell you plainly, those are pretty thin on the ground. And all that is presented is a fingers-in-the-ears, repetitive 'But...but...there are only 2 genders!' Which flies in the face of every medical paper, any dictionary, any article, any personal testimony, literally anything that's available. You are literally denying the very basis on which a reasonable discussion could be held.
It's not then possible to discuss something you say doesn't exist. So you can't win an argument you refuse to address. All you are doing is digging yourself in deeper with the tiny minority who also thinks there are just two. So there's this little foxhole of deniers thinking they're fighting a battle against....I dunno, sin, sex, liberalism, the MSM, the Dems, add to the list anything you think applies, when everyone else is simply bypassing you. You are making a lot of noise, which some people find annoying, but there's no substance. It's just a lot of shouting.
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First up, I'm not admitting they are frivolous. I was pointing that fact out to someone who is so caught up in this anti lgbt cause that they'll take any nonsense and treat it seriously. That's the type of debate we're having. It's embarrassing to have to point out to someone that they are looking foolish.
Secondly, the problem with saying that there are only two genders is wrong. There is nothing available to back up that claim other than the claim itself. Literally nothing. And it's a religious argument. God made man and woman and that's it. This is an argument that the religious right is having with anyone who doesn't agree with them. And why now? Because it's the cause de jour. It's an easy target. And they need some targets to keep the morale up. They lost the homosexuality position. They lost the SSM position. The abortion one is a matter they realise they may have pushed too far, so they're backing away from that. So....what's next? Where do erect the next barricade. Where do we make a stand!
Hey, we found one. Gender identity! Look, I found an article about a trangender woman using the wrong toilet. We must stop this! Look, they are teaching children that such a thing as gender exists. We must stop this! Look, they sent a kid home because he wanted to make a political point on a t shirt. We must make a stand!
And all this based on a biblical belief that there is only male and female? Arguing with some people about this is like debating the cause of homosexuality and they say the devil did it. What possible argument can one use against such a position. It's not possible. They have no basis for making an argument other than the belief itself.
All these 'debates' do is entrench the 'Only 2 gender!' people more deeply into their position and they start grasping at anything to sound relevant (like genders aligned with silly putty or fantasy worlds), and quite frankly move reasonable people who are undecided about the matter into the opposite camp.
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What did I say @ThatRobGuy? The argument is not based on anything other than a belief that people are sinning. Nothing else. It's a religious argument.
It's nice to have someone admit it rather then spend umpteen posts trying to dig out an admission. So, shall I check out how many threads we've had this year on drunkenness? Or maybe idolatry? All those that they stand firmly in opposition to? Gimme a minute....
OK, I checked. It was the number you first thought of. Zero. So what does that tell you about the sin that people are really worried about, despite them being firmly in opposition to all of them? Bzzz. Rob? Yes, correct. It's sex.
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Flat earthers have no evidence. They have nothing to show that could convince any reasonable person. They only have a belief. They can keep saying 'The earth is flat' until the cows come home, but it won't change the facts of the matter. Why should we give their beliefs any credibility?
I hope you can join the dots on that argument and I don't have to actually explain it.
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Have you ever tried having a discussion on a topic that every single person in the room agrees with?
You can't... There's literally nothing to discuss when everyone agrees.
What makes discussion, discussable IS diversity of opinion. It's what makes any discussion interesting or otherwise thought provoking when people don't always agree.
Homosexuality and how Christians should deal with various issues regarding it's practice in society where it affects our lives is one of the relevant topics that Christians find themselves with diverse opinions concerning .. it's like the once saved always saved topics, lots of discussion there too because there is diversity of opinion on it.
But general sins? Yeah we pretty much all agree on the list of what sins are sins with little exceptions... Except for homosexuality - entire denominations are splitting over it.
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Oh that’s a great excuse not to care about offending someone. All the sudden your “compassion” for those who are being offended just went out the window. How is that not being hypocritical? At least I’m consistent in my argument, I call it the way it is regardless of who I’m in a discussion with. If someone is claiming that a fallacy is true I confront it with the truth regardless of who the person is. I’m not going to call an apple a banana just because someone wants me to. Truth is truth regardless of whether or not someone wants to accept it. Just because some people like to indulge in ridiculousness doesn’t mean that I have to go along with it, condone it, or put up with it.
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I got a little drunk last night. A lot of people would have. And would have no problem about it. I've had sex outside marriage. Most people do and see no problem with it. I've used drugs. As have very many people. And don't see it as a sin. I've lied. There isn't anyone who hasn't. Most people do these things on a daily basis. A vast majority of people I would say.
Gay people make up...what? Four percent of the population? And I'd reckon the vast majority of Christian complaints on this forum are about sex and specifically homosexuality and associated matters.
And you say you're an equal opportunity religion? Treat all sins equally? Why are you trying to tell me something that is so obviously untrue?
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But your truth consists of only a belief. You specifically said a few posts ago that this was a religious fight. You have been asked to back up your position with some evidence. Any evidence. And all we get is a statement of belief.
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"They just want to be left alone" vs them trying to get as much attention as possible.
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HIV for one thing and then there’s a place called hell on top of that. And I get it, you don’t believe in hell but NEWSFLASH welcome to Christian forums, a Christian website where people actually believe in the Bible. So while you may not believe in hell, don’t expect people on a Christian website to not believe in it as well. That would be like me going to an atheist websites and expecting people to believe in Christ.
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No she’s arguing that according to you only one side should be able to voice their opinion about it. That’s like saying hey let’s have a presidential election, everyone who wants to vote for Biden is allowed to vote but everyone against him is not allowed to vote.
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Are you also a practicing believing Christian?
According to your profile your not. So what you see as sin is definitely going to be different.
When I was a practicing Muslim I had no general issues with the killing of homosexuals and many other beliefs that are antithetical to Christianity...
What Christians talk about amongst ourselves, Christians talking to other Christians, is what I'm talking about... This is a Christian forum after all and you seem disappointed by the lack of discussion on the topic of other sins on this forum.
And quite frankly, the LGBTQ agenda affects me and mine more than someone having one too many last night. It's literally the only reason I am even talking about it, it's affecting all of society in exceedingly negative ways.
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There are umpteen STDs. If anyone sleeps around they take a chance on catching one. You can't say heterosexuality is wrong because there are STDs. It is equally absurd to say that being gay is wrong because of AIDS.
And remember the equal opportunity Christian, concerned for all sins which could send you to hell? Your batting average would increase dramatically in saving souls by trying to save all people from every sin rather than specifically concentrating on gay people. Makes you look anti gay rather than anti sin.
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I have a 9 year old and a four year old who is starting school later this year so this specific topic greatly affects me and my family. I don’t need someone telling my kids that unacceptable behavior is acceptable.
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I have 5 grandchildren... So yes.. I'm right there with you.
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Most people take drugs and get drunk on a daily basis? What?
Also, what would that prove even if that were the case? Is this website supposed to be a place for atheists to make hollow arguments from numbers? If so, it should probably be rebranded, because its name and themes seem to indicate otherwise.
Can you even access most of the forums here, given your non-religious affiliation? I'm not sure of the current rules regarding non-Christians accessing the faith forums, but suffice it to say that your characterization of what the majority of 'complaints' on this forum consist of is heavily colored by your own participation in threads about political topics, to the exclusion of faith issues as Christians talk about them amongst ourselves away from the political/news forums. I don't know that I've ever seen the issue of homosexuality come up on my own faith's subforum, and I've only seen it come up on the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic subforums relative to statements about it made by bishops and priests in those churches which their faithful wanted to discuss among themselves, which is a completely reasonable thing to do.
Why do you think you have an accurate picture of this in the first place?
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