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School faces lawsuit for making student remove 'only two genders' shirt: 'Censoring a 7th-grader'

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It's owned and operated by Auscan Alliance, a one-man internet marketing firm (they also own disability-world.com). The bulk of the site's content appears to be scraped articles from all over the internet relating to sexuality and gender. Having a ".org" URL is meaningless - anyone can register a .org site. They are not an actual organization relating to sexuality or gender. Their list of genders (which isn't the same as the one you posted) is just copied from Wikipedia, which is a user-edited source and should not be taken as an actual academic listing of genders. The list you copied earlier is a collection of people's drabbles and thoughts, mainly from Tumblr (note that one definition is credited to "lolzmelmel"). Again, not an actual academic listing. Just people bouncing ideas around in an echo chamber.

Anyone can give a TED talk. There have been some pretty strange ones. Just asking though - did you actually watch that one? Because the title of the video has very little to do with the actual talk (which only mentions "112 genders" in passing).

That tends to happen when you build a strawman.
There are lists from numerous LGBTQQIP2SAA+ friendly sources. There's too much of it out there for anyone to convincingly pretend it doesn't exist or that it's some kind of hoax perpetrated by right wingers.
 
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That's because they put themselves so far forward seeking attention and making demands.

As I've said before it's like:

It’s not about privacy. What are you talking about?
 
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Is the standard that "you have to go long with, and concede to the position of, everything people on the progressive left want, otherwise you're a hater"?
No. Just leave LGBTQ+ alone.
 
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Christians are supposed to oppose sin.
And that causes all of these issue. If you guys kept your nose out of other people’s non-law breaking business this wouldn’t even be an issue.

It’s Christians who make this problem: everyone else can do without busy bodies annoying them.
 
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I wonder if this 12 yr. old wore T-shirts that stood firmly in opposition to any of the other sins you mentioned or maybe a shirt that said there is only one religion or there is only one denomination?

I don't believe that any behavior that can disrupt the peaceful atmosphere in a school system should be allowed. Most kids don't do their best in chaotic and disruptive environments whether that's at home or a school.

In our own homes, we can discuss and teach our children whatever we choose but school should be a neutral environment, especially in K-8.
I disagree in this case because schools are teaching children that sexual immorality is acceptable behavior, so they are teaching the exact opposite of what I want my kids to be taught. Furthermore with this new wide acceptance it will only result in more and more people wanting to join in thereby only increasing the amount of sexual immorality in the next generation. And on top of all that no one is allowed to speak out against it in schools, they are only allowed to speak favorably about it. That’s blatant censorship. These people not only want the freedom to commit such acts, because they already have that, now we’re expected to keep our mouth shut while the schools teach that it is perfectly acceptable behavior. That to me is unreasonable. What’s the goal here, is it to stop oppressing people who are behaving immorally? Is that what we really want because it only results in more people indulging in immorality. What’s next, beastiality becomes acceptable, then peophilia? Where do we draw the line if not here and now? These people make up 7% of America’s population so why should the vast majority accept and cater to their immoral behavior?
 
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And that causes all of these issue. If you guys kept your nose out of other people’s non-law breaking business this wouldn’t even be an issue.

It’s Christians who make this problem: everyone else can do without busy bodies annoying them.
My children are my business and so are my grandchildren. Not only that I’m an American citizen who has the RIGHT to voice my opinion on the matter whether you or anyone else likes it or not. 7% of the population doesn’t overrule the other 93%. If you don’t like to hear Christian opinions on this subject then you’re on the wrong website.
 
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Since the school already has rainbow pride imagery displayed, I figure they already do. Now I'd rather there be neither t-shirt or imagery in public schools. However, if a school is going to have one, then by all fairness it should allow the other. But neither would be best.
You're arguing that inclusion is the same thing as exclusion?
 
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Is the standard that "you have to go long with, and concede to the position of, everything people on the progressive left want, otherwise you're a hater"?

Yes that’s exactly what they expect. You don’t have the right to voice your opinion unless it’s in favor of their agenda.

No. Just leave LGBTQ+ alone.

So basically just keep your mouth shut if you don’t agree with us. Lol not going to happen.
 
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There are lists from numerous LGBTQQIP2SAA+ friendly sources.
Then why would you continue to cite the poor sources that you use? I've seen you post this same video and reference "sexualdiversity.org" many times over the past few months, and yet it would seem that you've never actually bothered to watch the video or look into the website. That doesn't help the credibility of your arguments.
There's too much of it out there for anyone to convincingly pretend it doesn't exist or that it's some kind of hoax perpetrated by right wingers.
I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or that it's a hoax - just that you're making it out to be far more significant than it actually is. You wouldn't consider the United Church of Christ a representative Christian community, would you? You might agree with some things they say, but if someone were to characterize the UCC's full set of beliefs and policies as "what Christians want," I imagine you'd have a problem with that.
 
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My children are my business and so are my grandchildren. Not only that I’m an American citizen who has the RIGHT to voice my opinion on the matter whether you or anyone else likes it or not. 7% of the population doesn’t overrule the other 93%. If you don’t like to hear Christian opinions on this subject then you’re on the wrong website.
Please don’t pretend that I am saying I don’t like to hear Christian opinions. Christian opinions are not synonymous with poking one’s nose into other people’s business.

If there is a demographic you don’t want your kids to engage with simply forbid them to do so.

For example, I always steer my son away from street preachers, vicars, priests and pastors. But I don’t put it on a t shirt. Because that would be needlessly offensive. Which is what the t shirt in the OP is.
 
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I disagree in this case because schools are teaching children that sexual immorality is acceptable behavior, so they are teaching the exact opposite of what I want my kids to be taught.
If you have religious reasons for not wanting you kids to engage with certain people/concepts take them out of the lesson in question.

Simple.
 
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So basically just keep your mouth shut if you don’t agree with us.
It’s more like we don’t want you (not you you, the other you) poking your nose into our business.

As long as they are not breaking the law you’ve no business with them. That you feel compelled to interfere and then get all bent out of shape when society calls you haters is on you.

If you’re happy to be hated and persecuted for something you choose to do have at it (but quietly please).

Inserting your values into other people’s live is the kind of Christian Imperialism that is happily being consigned to the musty drawers of history.
 
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Please don’t pretend that I am saying I don’t like to hear Christian opinions. Christian opinions are not synonymous with poking one’s nose into other people’s business.

If there is a demographic you don’t want your kids to engage with simply forbid them to do so.

For example, I always steer my son away from street preachers, vicars, priests and pastors. But I don’t put it on a t shirt. Because that would be needlessly offensive. Which is what the t shirt in the OP is.
Which brings us right back to the question you never answered, should we remove all globes from the schools so as to not offend flat earthers?
 
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If you have religious reasons for not wanting you kids to engage with certain people/concepts take them out of the lesson in question.

Simple.
I wish I could but unfortunately it’s not an option. My kids have to attend public schools.
 
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No. Just leave LGBTQ+ alone.
But that's not a balanced ask given some of the extraneous topics.

When some of the things being requested by a community have potential externalities, external entities get to have a say in some aspects of the debate.

I'm pretty consistent on this as well...as I've told the same thing to certain conservatives on the topics of gun ownership and vaccines. I've heard a few conservatives say things to the effect "If you don't like guns, then you don't have to own one, but if I want one it's none of your business" or "If you want to get the vaccine go for it...but leave me alone" ...to which I've made the same externalities argument I'm making here.

But one simply can't say "I want to do this thing that could potentially have impacts on other people, but everyone has to just leave me alone and zip their lip about it". We wouldn't except that rationale for anything else...the fact that certain progressives have made it their mission take a particular side no matter what (and are refusing to acknowledge any nuance in the debate as a result) doesn't change that.

Otherwise, it ends up coming across looking like this:
 
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should we remove all globes from the schools so as to not offend flat earthers?
Being a flat earther is not a protected class in any state of the nation (I'm willing to bet). But gender identity is a protected class in the Massachusetts school where the OP occurred.
 
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Which brings us right back to the question you never answered, should we remove all globes from the schools so as to not offend flat earthers?
Flat Earther's are not a protected demographic. So no.
 
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I wish I could but unfortunately it’s not an option. My kids have to attend public schools.
Tough break. Can't you take them out of classes that you don't wish them to be in?
 
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