Looks like Climate Change worries might be experiencing a setback

Servus · May 17, 2023

Some of the biggest focus on there being a climate change catastrophe in progress has been Lake Mead in Nevada, USA drying up.
But now the tables have turned and it's filling up. The Great Salt Lake in Utah is experiencing the same results.

Hans Blaster · May 17, 2023

Nothing long term has changed globally.

The active drought crisis is lessened, but not even solved for the short term.

Servus · May 17, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
Nothing long term has changed globally.

The active drought crisis is lessened, but not even solved for the short term.

But it seems to be going in a better direction. I believe climate goes in cycles. I used to live in Las Vegas and I've seen photos of Hoover Dam from the 50's when the water level was pretty low. And I remember being at the dam in the 80s when the water level was so high, they had to open the spillways, which was quite a site. So personally I wouldn't be surprised if the climate trend changes to where the water levels continue to get higher in the following years.

Halbhh · May 17, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Some of the biggest focus on there being a climate change catastrophe in progress has been Lake Mead in Nevada, USA drying up.
But now the tables have turned and it's filling up. The Great Salt Lake in Utah is experiencing the same results.

Climate change is understood (for a long time now) to create more intense rainfall events which in many places will also be interspersed by more frequent droughts also -- both.

So, what's happened in California has been in keeping with what the modeling generally expects -- more drought, interrupted by bigger rainfall events. Basically that both droughts and flooding become worse: both.

California is by far the biggest agricultural state.

It's a concerning pattern in most states to have more droughts and floods instead of more frequent smaller rains of the past... Agricultural production mostly depends on having enough rain in a given year, not years apart.

In California, agriculture has been relying on huge water extraction from a giant aquifer, and that aquifer was getting lower and lower before the big rains of this year.

This was the situation already!:

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1019483661/without-enough-water-to-go-around-farmers-in-california-are-exhausting-aquifers

So, it will be a very large interest to see whether these great participation events (which climate change generally predicted) will result in the aquifer lifespan increasing significantly....

Servus · May 17, 2023

Halbhh said:
Climate change is understood (for a long time now) to create more intense rainfall events which in many places will also be interspersed by more frequent droughts also -- both.

So, what's happened in California has been in keeping with what the modeling generally expects -- more drought, interrupted by bigger rainfall events. Basically that both droughts and flooding become worse: both.

California is by far the biggest agricultural state.

It's a concerning pattern in most states to have more droughts and floods instead of more frequent smaller rains of the past... Agricultural production mostly depends on having enough rain in a given year, not years apart.

In California, agriculture has been relying on huge water extraction from a giant aquifer, and that aquifer was getting lower and lower before the big rains of this year.

This was the situation already!:

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1019483661/without-enough-water-to-go-around-farmers-in-california-are-exhausting-aquifers

So, it will be a very large interest to see whether these great participation events (which climate change generally predicted) will result in the aquifer lifespan increasing significantly....

In the case with Lake Mead its water level depends on in the Rocky Mountains snowpack. If the snowpacks are getting bigger that means it's both snowing more and the temperature is getting cooler or staying cooler for a longer period of time.

Hans Blaster · May 17, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
But it seems to be going in a better direction. I believe climate goes in cycles. I used to live in Las Vegas and I've seen photos of Hoover Dam from the 50's when the water level was pretty low. And I remember being at the dam in the 80s when the water level was so high, they had to open the spillways, which was quite a site. So personally I wouldn't be surprised if the climate trend changes to where the water levels continue to get higher in the following years.

The active drought crisis is lessened, but not even solved for the short term.

This news, while welcome, is not a valid excuse to solve our long term problems.

Servus · May 17, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
The active drought crisis is lessened, but not even solved for the short term.

This news, while welcome, is not a valid excuse to solve our long term problems.

Only time will tell. But I'll find it quite interesting if it continues to get better while the climate change doomsday clock is ticking down.

Wings like Eagles · May 17, 2023

I drove over the Hoover Dam a few weeks ago and was like thank you Jesus!

Halbhh · May 17, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
If the snowpacks are getting bigger that means it's both snowing more and the temperature is getting cooler or staying cooler for a longer period of time.

Snowpack varies a lot from year to year. But recent years have been rather low snowpacks, and that's part of why the lake was so low.

It's really great so much precipitation arrived during cold enough weather this year! Or....let me say, that's great if it doesn't result in big flooding at least.
We're not out of the woods yet on that part:

In the video a woman says, "It's like a once in a lifetime experience." (though of course she means only 'so far' I expect)

Halbhh · May 18, 2023

Fun that just after I wondered about how California aquifers might be recharging and wondered how much, NPR radio news, which always does a good job, has a segment on efforts to try to increase the recharge amount/speed.

Audio and full transcript at link, but I'll quote the beginning:

With a historic snowpack starting to melt, increasing flood concerns in central California, there's an effort under way to capture as much of the water as possible in underground aquifers.

With a historic snowpack starting to melt, increasing flood concerns in central California, there's an effort under way to capture as much of the water as possible in underground aquifers.
AILSA CHANG, HOST:

From extreme drought to extreme floods, this is what California is experiencing this year after a series of epic winter storms. And it's a window into the state's climate future. You see, California is trying to capture as much water in wet years like this one as it can, and its biggest storage container is underground. But as NPR's Nathan Rott reports, in the largely developed Central Valley, it's hard to figure out how to get water there.

NATHAN ROTT, BYLINE: It seems pretty simple in theory, right? For much of the last decade of water shortages, California has drained its underground aquifers to meet the growing thirst of towns and farms, even causing the land itself to sink.

(SOUNDBITE OF VALVE OPENING)

ROTT: So now, when there's too much water, why not just put it back underground? That's what Khaled Bali, an irrigation specialist with the University of California, is trying to do at this research plot in the Central Valley.

KHALED BALI: Groundwater recharge is basically taking excess flood water and putting it in the underground aquifer.

....(continues, and the report is in audio also, so you can hear the voices

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1176759977/efforts-to-recharge-californias-underground-aquifers-show-mixed-results

...ROTT: The challenge is figuring out where. The state has recharge pools - places where the ground is porous, and water sinks back to the aquifers fast. But with so much water this year and only so many pools, the state is pushing another approach - flooding farms.

Wolseley · May 18, 2023

The Europeans appear to be opting out of the hysteria; the Germans are tearing down wind turbines to make way for an expanded coal mine, LOL!

MSN

www.msn.com

Frank Robert · May 19, 2023

Wolseley said:
The Europeans appear to be opting out of the hysteria; the Germans are tearing down wind turbines to make way for an expanded coal mine, LOL!

MSN

www.msn.com

Technology will save us. Party on!

Wings like Eagles · May 19, 2023

I cant keep up with all the name changes, I think I am still back on the polar shift scare:

Servus · May 19, 2023

Wings like Eagles said:
I cant keep up with all the name changes, I think I am still back on the polar shift scare:

If things were as bad as Al Gore etc were telling us 20 years ago, we'd all be long dead by now. It all requires a short term memory. No one remembered the teenage girl addressing the UN about global warming in the 90s saying she has no future. So when Gretta Thunberg shows up it's something band new.

Frank Robert · May 19, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
My partying on or not isn't going to make any difference either way. It seems like average people think they need to worry it because their worrying will somehow save the planet.

A slacker here, a slacker there, pretty soon its a trend.

So raise a glass to all the slackers,

And let's all rejoice in our laziness.

We are the best of the best,

And we don't have to prove it to anyone.

Frank Robert · May 19, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
If things were as bad as Al Gore etc were telling us 20 years ago, we'd all be long dead by now. It requires a short term memory. No one remembered the teenage girl addressing the UN about global warming in the 90s saying she has no future. So when Gretta Thunberg shows up it's something band new.

I didn't know that Al Gore was a climate scientists. Learn something new everyday.

Servus · May 19, 2023

Frank Robert said:
I didn't know that Al Gore was a climate scientists. Learn something new everyday.

Most people probably can't name a climate scientist. All they know is Al Gore, Bill Nye the Science Guy, and a teenager we don't seem to her much from or about anymore.

Servus · May 19, 2023

Frank Robert said:
A slacker here, a slacker there, pretty soon its a trend.

So raise a glass to all the slackers,
And let's all rejoice in our laziness.
We are the best of the best,
And we don't have to prove it to anyone.

Slacking what?

Frank Robert · May 19, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Slacking what?

There once were slackers, you see,

Blind to the Earth's desperate plea,

As climate change loomed,

They napped and assumed,

No worries for you and for me.

Servus · May 19, 2023

Frank Robert said:
There once were slackers, you see,
Blind to the Earth's desperate plea,
As climate change loomed,
They napped and assumed,
No worries for you and for me.

What were they supposed to be doing instead? I mean you know, something actually proactive as compared to writing bad poetry.

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