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Has Florida Adopted Communist style Authoritarianism?

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Florida bill would require bloggers who write about governor to register with the state​



TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Florida Sen. Jason Brodeur (R-Lake Mary) wants bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.


...Is this censorship? A violation of the 1st amendment in regards to free speech?
 

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Viktor Orban's government has been doing the same type of things for years in Hungary. It's a way to intimidate and harass the media.
 
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...I'm not so sure speech can be considered "free" when there is a requirement to register first.

...I guess so they can be more easily monitored by the state government?
 
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Viktor Orban's government has been doing the same type of things for years in Hungary.
I'm also not sure, but I think some Southern States copied off of Belarus when they sent a bunch of migrants to the border and forced them over. Kind of like how Southern states were bussing immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and other places.

I'm not against the conservatives or Republicans at all - I agree with many of their policies. But I have to be critical of any attempt by Americans who adopt communist, authoritarian style techniques learned from the haters of freedom.
 
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I'm also not sure, but I think some Southern States copies Belarus, when they sent a bunch of migrants to the border and forced them over. Kind of like how Southern states were bussing immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and other places.

I'm not against the conservatives or Republicans at all - I agree with many of their policies. But I have to be critical of any attempt by Americans who adopt communist, authoritarian techniques learned from the haters of freedom.

It's not some kind of deep secret: many on the Right of a certain persuasion (the "National Conservatives", mostly reactionary Catholics and Orthodox like Rod Dreher) have been participating in Hungarian-funded think-tanks and symposiums that portray Hungary as a "Christian Disneyland", with reactionary, authoritarian politics as the antidote to the perceived ills of liberal modernity. This is where people like DeSantis and Abbot are getting their playbook.


 
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It's not some kind of deep secret: many on the Right of a certain persuasion (the "National Conservatives", mostly reactionary Catholics and Orthodox like Rod Dreher) have been participating in Hungarian-funded think-tanks and symposiums that portray Hungary as a "Christian Disneyland", with reactionary politics as the antidote to the perceived ills of liberal modernity. This is where people like DeSantis and Abbot are getting their playbook.


That's interesting. Thank you for that.
 
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I'm sorry, but this governor is out of control, IMO. This is far too radical.

I could never vote for DeSantis as president, if social policies are such a primary focus for him - which they seem to be. I prefer freedom.
 
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Florida bill would require bloggers who write about governor to register with the state​



TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Florida Sen. Jason Brodeur (R-Lake Mary) wants bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.


...Is this censorship? A violation of the 1st amendment in regards to free speech?

Not censorship in itself. But I'm perplexed by the need to register your intent to publicly comment on members of the Florida government. Although it does say it only applies to those who would be paid for such comments. But I'm at a loss to see what difference that would make.

If it's simply a requirement to identify yourself, then that would be unconstitutional in itself. From wiki:

'In Talley v. California (1960), the Court struck down a Los Angeles city ordinance that made it a crime to distribute anonymous pamphlets. Justice Hugo Black wrote in the majority opinion: "There can be no doubt that such an identification requirement would tend to restrict freedom to distribute information and thereby freedom of expression. ... Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and even books have played an important role in the progress of mankind." '

Other than that, existing laws regarding libel would cover any content and registering with the state wouldn't effect that whatsoever. )
 
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I'm sorry, but this governor is out of control, IMO. This is far too radical.

I could never vote for DeSantis as president, if social policies are such a primary focus for him - which they seem to be. I prefer freedom.

I think it's a case of "the cure can't be worse than the disease".

My former pastor (Lutheran) was inordinately enamored with Rod Dreher. That was really the last straw for me, as it showed a lack of spiritual discernment: at one time I was very much tempted by that kind of mentality myself, years ago, so I understand it all too well. Looking at it from a bigger picture, these types of folks like the existential comforts of religion more than they like Jesus' ethic of loving your neighbor, and they perceive anybody that comes along and challenges their religious-political fantasy as a threat. Being fragile people, they are drawn to authoritarian demagogues like Orban, onto whom they project their fantasies, and discount their deficits.

People are being triggered right now by stuff that's basically BS on social media and on cable TV, but because people live inside media bubbles on their smartphones and have less contact with reality, they've lost much of the ability to make sense of the wider world, so they start believing only dire things about it (due to biases in human cognition towards negativity). And that's what demagogues are taking advantage of right now.
 
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Not censorship in itself. But I'm perplexed by the need to register your intent to publicly comment on members of the Florida government. Although it does say it only applies to those who would be paid for such comments. But I'm at a loss to see what difference that would make.
I'm curious as to the goal of the whole thing, let alone the difference between bloggers who get paid or don't... Probably, introducing "who get's paid", is merely the loophole for making this act legal.

...But still. Why?

...Why on the whole thing?
 
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I'm sorry, but this governor is out of control, IMO. This is far too radical.

I could never vote for DeSantis as president, if social policies are such a primary focus for him - which they seem to be. I prefer freedom.
He’s the social-Darwinist he’s saving Florida from.
 
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I'm curious as to the goal of the whole thing, let alone the difference between bloggers who get paid or don't... Probably, introducing "who get's paid", is merely the loophole for making this act legal.

...But still. Why?

...Why on the whole thing?
Maybe...it's just a means to its own ends. An authoratitive law that does nothing except to send a message. 'Look what I can do! If you want to criticise me I can force you to register your intent with me first.'

And what happens if you don't live in Florida? Or you do, but the blog is off a server in another state? Publishing a blog isn't like printing a pamphlet to distribute in downtown Miami.
 
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I'm curious as to the goal of the whole thing, let alone the difference between bloggers who get paid or don't... Probably, introducing "who get's paid", is merely the loophole for making this act legal.

...But still. Why?

...Why on the whole thing?
This is just beyond the pale.
When government takes upon itself the “arbiter-of-truth” mantle, (oh yes, it’s only “register”, but who decides whether the registration will be “acceptable”?), the Government can pick-and-choose who gets access.
This won’t even be debated.
 
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Here’s the goods:
Hang on it’s quite a ride!
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286.31 Blogger registration and reporting.—
139 (1) As used in this section, the term:
140 (a) “Blog” means a website or webpage that hosts any
141 blogger and is frequently updated with opinion, commentary, or
142 business content. The term does not include the website of a
143 newspaper or other similar publication.
144 (b) “Blogger” means any person as defined in s. 1.01(3)
145 that submits a blog post to a blog which is subsequently
146 published.
147 (c) “Blog post” is an individual webpage on a blog which
148 contains an article, a story, or a series of stories.
149 (d) “Compensation” includes anything of value provided to a
150 blogger in exchange for a blog post or series of blog posts. If
151 not provided in currency, it must be the fair-market value of
152 the item or service exchanged.
153 (e) “Elected state officer” means the Governor, the
154 Lieutenant Governor, a Cabinet officer, or any member of the
155 Legislature.
156 (f) “Office” means, in the context of a blog post about a
157 member of the Legislature, the Office of Legislative Services
158 or, in the context of a blog post about a member of the
159 executive branch, the Commission on Ethics, as applicable.
160 (2) If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state
161 officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that
162 post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office, as
163 identified in paragraph (1)(f), within 5 days after the first
164 post by the blogger which mentions an elected state officer.
165 (3)(a) Upon registering with the appropriate office, a
166 blogger must file monthly reports on the 10th day following the
167 end of each calendar month from the time a blog post is added to
168 the blog, except that, if the 10th day following the end of a
169 calendar month occurs on a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday,
170 the report must be filed on the next day that is not a Saturday,
171 Sunday, or legal holiday.
172 (b) If the blogger does not have a blog post on a blog
173 during a given month, the monthly report for that month does not
174 need to be filed.
175 (c) The blogger must file reports with the appropriate
176 office using the electronic filing system:
177 1. As provided in s. 11.0455 if the blog post concerns an
178 elected member of the Legislature; or
179 2. As provided in s. 112.32155 if the blog post concerns an
180 officer of the executive branch.
181 (d) The reports must include all of the following:
182 1. The individual or entity that compensated the blogger
183 for the blog post.
184 2. The amount of compensation received from the individual
185 or entity, regardless of how the compensation was structured.
186 a. The amount must be rounded to the nearest $10 increment.
187 b. If the compensation is for a series of blog posts or for
188 a defined period of time, the blogger must disclose the total
189 amount to be received upon the first blog post being published.
190 Thereafter, the blogger must disclose the date or dates
191 additional compensation is received, if any, for the series of
192 blog posts.
193 3. The date the blog post was published. If the blog post
194 is part of a series, the date each blog post is published must
195 be included in the applicable report.
196 4. The website and website address where the blog post can
197 be found.
198 (4) Notwithstanding any other law, a magistrate is
199 authorized to enter a final order in determination of the
200 reasonableness of circumstances for an untimely filing of a
201 required report and the amount of a fine, if any.
202 (5) Each house of the Legislature and the Commission on
203 Ethics shall adopt by rule, for application to bloggers, the
204 same procedure by which lobbyists are notified of the failure to
205 timely file a report and the amount of the assessed fines. The
206 rule must also provide for, but need not be limited to, the
207 following provisions:
208 (a) A fine of $25 per day per report for each day late, not
209 to exceed $2,500 per report.
210 (b) Upon receipt of an untimely filed report, the amount of
211 the fine must be based upon the earlier of the following:
212 1. The date and time that the untimely report is actually
213 received by the office.
214 2. The date and time on the electronic receipt issued
215 pursuant to s. 11.0455 or s. 112.32155.
216 (c) The fine must be paid within 30 days after the notice
217 of payment due is transmitted, unless an appeal is filed with
218 the office. The fine amount must be deposited into:
219 1. If the report in question relates to a post about a
220 member of the Legislature, the Legislative Lobbyist Registration
221 Trust Fund;
222 2. If the report in question relates to a post about a
223 member of the executive branch, the Executive Branch Lobby
224 Registration Trust Fund; or
225 3. If the report in question relates to a post about
226 members of both the Legislature and the executive branch, the
227 lobbyist registration trust funds identified in subparagraphs 1.
228 and 2., in equal amounts.
229 (d) A fine may not be assessed against a blogger the first
230 time a report for which the blogger is responsible is not timely
231 filed. However, to receive this one-time fine waiver, all
232 untimely filed reports for which the blogger remains responsible
233 for filing must be filed with the office within 30 days after
234 the notice of untimely filing was transmitted to the blogger. A
235 fine must be assessed for any subsequent late-filed reports.
236 (e) The blogger is entitled to appeal a fine, based upon
237 reasonable circumstances surrounding the failure to file by the
238 designated date, by making a written request to the office for a
239 hearing before the magistrate from the Second Judicial Circuit.
240 Any such request must be made within 30 days after the notice of
241 payment due is transmitted to the blogger. The office shall
242 transmit all such timely, written requests to the chief judge of
243 the Second Judicial Circuit along with the evidence the office
244 relied on in assessing the fine. The magistrate, after holding a
245 hearing, shall render a final order, upholding the fine or
246 waiving it in full or in part.
247 (f) A blogger may request that the filing of a report be
248 waived upon good cause shown based on reasonable circumstances.
249 The request must be filed with the office, which may grant or
250 deny the request.
251 (g) Fines that remain unpaid for a period in excess of 100
252 days after final determination are eligible for recovery through
253 the courts of this state.
254 Section 4. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law

Section 4 is a hoot! They want to add requirements that will require forms to be created but give no time for the poor schlubs in the government’s print shops to design these forms. Without the forms, no one will be able to “register”. Then what? People stop blogging in order to remain in “full compliance”?



Source: Florida Senate webpage.

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Florida bill would require bloggers who write about governor to register with the state​



TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Florida Sen. Jason Brodeur (R-Lake Mary) wants bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.


...Is this censorship? A violation of the 1st amendment in regards to free speech?
No, Florida hasn't adopted communist authoritarianism. Florida hasn't adopted any sort of authoritarianism at all. That's just an example of a representative writing a bill that isn't going to pass in order to force some issue or another.
 
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Does DeSantis not realize that there are probably 21 million people in Florida, and maybe 10 million gun owners?

And that a reasonable percentage of those gun owners (I kid you not) say they own guns "in case the government oversteps its bounds."

He oversteps his bounds all the time. Does he not realize that these gun owners he is arming with deadlier weapons and courting shamelessly might wake up some day and realize that when it comes to government overstepping its bounds, that DeSantis is the principal offender?
 
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No, Florida hasn't adopted communist authoritarianism. Florida hasn't adopted any sort of authoritarianism at all. That's just an example of a representative writing a bill that isn't going to pass in order to force some issue or another.
We can hope that they were only pretending to pass this bill. But the way DeSantis talked in the video from the OP, he seemed to approve of it with high regard.
 
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...I'm not so sure speech can be considered "free" when there is a requirement to register first.

...I guess so they can be more easily monitored by the state government?
I agree this is a bad move. Kinda ticks me off honestly.
 
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Here’s the goods:
Hang on it’s quite a ride!
[ETA:The longer you read the worse it gets]
286.31 Blogger registration and reporting.—
139 (1) As used in this section, the term:
140 (a) “Blog” means a website or webpage that hosts any
141 blogger and is frequently updated with opinion, commentary, or
142 business content. The term does not include the website of a
143 newspaper or other similar publication.
144 (b) “Blogger” means any person as defined in s. 1.01(3)
145 that submits a blog post to a blog which is subsequently
146 published.
147 (c) “Blog post” is an individual webpage on a blog which
148 contains an article, a story, or a series of stories.
149 (d) “Compensation” includes anything of value provided to a
150 blogger in exchange for a blog post or series of blog posts. If
151 not provided in currency, it must be the fair-market value of
152 the item or service exchanged.
153 (e) “Elected state officer” means the Governor, the
154 Lieutenant Governor, a Cabinet officer, or any member of the
155 Legislature.
156 (f) “Office” means, in the context of a blog post about a
157 member of the Legislature, the Office of Legislative Services
158 or, in the context of a blog post about a member of the
159 executive branch, the Commission on Ethics, as applicable.
160 (2) If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state
161 officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that
162 post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office, as
163 identified in paragraph (1)(f), within 5 days after the first
164 post by the blogger which mentions an elected state officer.
165 (3)(a) Upon registering with the appropriate office, a
166 blogger must file monthly reports on the 10th day following the
167 end of each calendar month from the time a blog post is added to
168 the blog, except that, if the 10th day following the end of a
169 calendar month occurs on a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday,
170 the report must be filed on the next day that is not a Saturday,
171 Sunday, or legal holiday.
172 (b) If the blogger does not have a blog post on a blog
173 during a given month, the monthly report for that month does not
174 need to be filed.
175 (c) The blogger must file reports with the appropriate
176 office using the electronic filing system:
177 1. As provided in s. 11.0455 if the blog post concerns an
178 elected member of the Legislature; or
179 2. As provided in s. 112.32155 if the blog post concerns an
180 officer of the executive branch.
181 (d) The reports must include all of the following:
182 1. The individual or entity that compensated the blogger
183 for the blog post.
184 2. The amount of compensation received from the individual
185 or entity, regardless of how the compensation was structured.
186 a. The amount must be rounded to the nearest $10 increment.
187 b. If the compensation is for a series of blog posts or for
188 a defined period of time, the blogger must disclose the total
189 amount to be received upon the first blog post being published.
190 Thereafter, the blogger must disclose the date or dates
191 additional compensation is received, if any, for the series of
192 blog posts.
193 3. The date the blog post was published. If the blog post
194 is part of a series, the date each blog post is published must
195 be included in the applicable report.
196 4. The website and website address where the blog post can
197 be found.
198 (4) Notwithstanding any other law, a magistrate is
199 authorized to enter a final order in determination of the
200 reasonableness of circumstances for an untimely filing of a
201 required report and the amount of a fine, if any.
202 (5) Each house of the Legislature and the Commission on
203 Ethics shall adopt by rule, for application to bloggers, the
204 same procedure by which lobbyists are notified of the failure to
205 timely file a report and the amount of the assessed fines. The
206 rule must also provide for, but need not be limited to, the
207 following provisions:
208 (a) A fine of $25 per day per report for each day late, not
209 to exceed $2,500 per report.
210 (b) Upon receipt of an untimely filed report, the amount of
211 the fine must be based upon the earlier of the following:
212 1. The date and time that the untimely report is actually
213 received by the office.
214 2. The date and time on the electronic receipt issued
215 pursuant to s. 11.0455 or s. 112.32155.
216 (c) The fine must be paid within 30 days after the notice
217 of payment due is transmitted, unless an appeal is filed with
218 the office. The fine amount must be deposited into:
219 1. If the report in question relates to a post about a
220 member of the Legislature, the Legislative Lobbyist Registration
221 Trust Fund;
222 2. If the report in question relates to a post about a
223 member of the executive branch, the Executive Branch Lobby
224 Registration Trust Fund; or
225 3. If the report in question relates to a post about
226 members of both the Legislature and the executive branch, the
227 lobbyist registration trust funds identified in subparagraphs 1.
228 and 2., in equal amounts.
229 (d) A fine may not be assessed against a blogger the first
230 time a report for which the blogger is responsible is not timely
231 filed. However, to receive this one-time fine waiver, all
232 untimely filed reports for which the blogger remains responsible
233 for filing must be filed with the office within 30 days after
234 the notice of untimely filing was transmitted to the blogger. A
235 fine must be assessed for any subsequent late-filed reports.
236 (e) The blogger is entitled to appeal a fine, based upon
237 reasonable circumstances surrounding the failure to file by the
238 designated date, by making a written request to the office for a
239 hearing before the magistrate from the Second Judicial Circuit.
240 Any such request must be made within 30 days after the notice of
241 payment due is transmitted to the blogger. The office shall
242 transmit all such timely, written requests to the chief judge of
243 the Second Judicial Circuit along with the evidence the office
244 relied on in assessing the fine. The magistrate, after holding a
245 hearing, shall render a final order, upholding the fine or
246 waiving it in full or in part.
247 (f) A blogger may request that the filing of a report be
248 waived upon good cause shown based on reasonable circumstances.
249 The request must be filed with the office, which may grant or
250 deny the request.
251 (g) Fines that remain unpaid for a period in excess of 100
252 days after final determination are eligible for recovery through
253 the courts of this state.
254 Section 4. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law

Section 4 is a hoot! They want to add requirements that will require forms to be created but give no time for the poor schlubs in the government’s print shops to design these forms. Without the forms, no one will be able to “register”. Then what? People stop blogging in order to remain in “full compliance”?



Source: Florida Senate webpage.

[original underlining axed for readability’s sake.]
This kind of legislation is just wrong. I would hope this doesn't pass and if it does any sane court would strike it down. This is ridiculous. I certainly hope some republicans take this guy to task over this.
 
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