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Orthodoxy for Methodists?

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Can anyone recommend anything on Orthodoxy for a Methodist or Methodist-sympathizing audience?

Edit: or not "on" Orthodoxy, but Orthodox and somehow appropriate to represent Orthodoxy to such an audience?

Thank you.
 
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Besides Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church" and "The Orthodox Way", I might recommend Fr. Peter Gilquist's "Becoming Orthodox", which chronicles the conversion of 2,000 evangelicals to the Antiochian Orthodox Church in 1987.
 
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Can anyone recommend anything on Orthodoxy for a Methodist or Methodist-sympathizing audience?

Edit: or not "on" Orthodoxy, but Orthodox and somehow appropriate to represent Orthodoxy to such an audience?

Thank you.
Are you looking for book recommendations? Frederica Matthews-Green "Facing East" and her other books...she is a convert to Orthodoxy
 
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It is worth noting too, I think, that the Methodists are in rather serious disagreement themselves about what a "Methodist sympathizing audience" would look like these days. I am referring to the United Methodist Church which is by far the largest methodist denomination in the U.S and Africa etc. There are modern day Wesleyan churches that are- well- still conservative Wesleyan- but the United Methodist Church- not so much. And as the "traditional" Wesleyan members/local parishes leave or are driven out, the UMC is going full speed ahead to become quasi-Unitarian. Once you get rid of those "traditional" types who have been a problem in regard to embracing all the progressive stuff.

So if a person were to read up on that controversy a bit and see what the issues are there and which "side" their faith and sentiments seem to fall on. In other words - if by "Methodist" one refers to the United Methodist Church, then you are talking about a denomination that is Wesleyan in the sense that its roots in the works of John Wesley but ended out in LQBTQ la-la land with the goddess Sophia replacing Jesus in some parishes and lurching even further to the left as the conservative parishes leave.

But as I said, some of the most conservative evangelical churches are also Wesleyan Methodist (versus the larger denomination, United Methodist) which reject all that progressive horsefeathers.

No punchline there. Just saying you have different types of methodists out there. Which probably leads to differing "receptivities" toward hearing about certain aspects of Orthodoxy.




United Methodists Lose 1,800 Churches in Split Over LGBT Stance​

 
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the text of the Liturgy, with the constant reminder of how much the Wesley’s loved patristics, but with their errors corrected.
I guess I'll print off part of the Hapgood book.

By the way, does anyone know of a good and coherent "explanation" of the Liturgy?
 
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Thanks to all for the ideas.

@Nick1000 We are talking about a target audience who is vocally not into the "horsefeathers." So that much should not be a problem.
Very good.

Fertile ground is a beautiful thing.
 
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I guess I'll print off part of the Hapgood book.

By the way, does anyone know of a good and coherent "explanation" of the Liturgy?
there is a spiral bound I have seen used that has notes in the sides.
 
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I was raised in a church that was Methodist that united with a nearby Presbyterian church when was second grade. I believe a good general perspective to give might be that we believe what you confess in the Apostles Creed as fully explained in the Nicene Creed. I believe CS Lewis might be a good connection between Methodist and Orthodox beliefs.
 
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When I was a Methodist in transition to elsewhere, I found this book on Orthodoxy most helpful.

Common Ground : An Introduction to Eastern Christianity

by Jordan Bajis |
If you were Methodist and eventually transitioned to Episcopal, then, ironically, that brought you back closer to John Wesley's teaching and practices than that of current day United Methodists.

John Wesley was, of course, first and foremost an Anglican. His father was Anglican clergy, his brother was Anglican clergy and he was Anglican clergy. He said he would NEVER leave the Anglican church and he never did. He promoted a "method" of field teaching to bring Christianity to the masses and because he felt that the Anglican church had abandoned the faithful in the American colony by not sending any ordained ministers to support them. Otherwise, he was hard, hard, hard-core adamant that the liturgy and the sacraments were fundamental to any relationship with God. Whereas as the Methodist movement developed the evangelical piece and the more traditional sacramental aspects sort of drifted apart as it became a separate denomination. Wesley was 100% against that.

I could be wrong on this or anything of course. But his own words seem to make that point and he wrote extensively.



Wesley’s Sacramental Theology

John Wesley’s sacramental theology comes from his roots in the Anglican tradition. He and his brother Charles were both ordained Church of England clergy. Although they were the founders of the Methodist movement, it is important to mention that it was never Wesley’s intention to separate from the Church of England; rather, he believed that Methodism was a renewal movement within the Church of England. He wrote to Henry Moore in 1788, “I am a Church of England man, and, as I said fifty years ago, so I say still, in the Church I will live and die, unless I am thrust out.”

Anglicanism was the greatest influence in shaping Wesley’s view of church tradition. He was immersed in the social and religious culture of that denomination. He grew up the son of an Anglican priest. He devoured Anglican homilies and devotional literature from a young age. Three major English works that influenced Wesley were Bishop Jeremy Taylor’s The Rule and Exercises of Holy Living and Dying; Thomas à Kempis’ The Christian’s Pattern; and Mr. William Law’s Christian Perfection and A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life. Wesley was educated at Oxford and was ordained in the Anglican priesthood. His love for the Church of England is also seen in the fact that he never wanted Methodism to become a separate denomination, but desired instead to bring renewal to the Church of England.

Because Wesley lived and died an Anglican priest, he daily used the Church of England’s Book of Common Prayer. This book is a rich treasure from church history that is meant to be used for both private and public prayer and worship. It contains orders of services, ancient creeds, communal prayers, and a lectionary, a suggested reading plan for use throughout the liturgical year. Wesley said, “I believe there is no Liturgy in the world, either in ancient or modern language, which breathes more of a solid, scriptural, rational piety than the Common Prayer of the Church of England.”

Wesley’s The Sunday Service of the Methodists in North America was simply an abridgement of the 1662 edition of the Book of Common Prayer. In a letter dated June 20, 1789, Wesley wrote, “Dr. Coke made two or three little alterations in the Prayer-book without my knowledge. I took particular care throughout to alter nothing merely for altering’s sake. In religion I am for as few innovations as possible. I love the old wine best.”

While at Oxford, John and Charles were accused of being “sacramentalist” because of their insistence upon taking communion regularly. Along with their academic pursuits, these young men even as students were devotedly engaged in prayer, Bible study, fasting, communion, and social work, including prison visitation and caring for the sick.

The visibility of these holy practices earned them several nicknames, including “Sacramentarians,” “Enthusiasts,” “Bible Moths,” and “Methodists.” This last insult would be the one to stick, eventually becoming the moniker of the movement. The Wesley brothers also connected with George Whitefield, who later became another leader in the spreading evangelical revival. The experiences with the Holy Club marked the Wesleys’ time at Oxford and were an important season of religious development for them. It was also at Oxford that Wesley began to develop his vision for the recovery of “primitive Christianity” that would become a distinctive hallmark of the Methodist movement. The combination of personal piety, spiritual discipline, intimate community, and ministry to the poor and sick—all present in seed form in the Holy Club—became the foundation for the Wesleyan movement as it spread throughout England and across the Atlantic.

Convinced of the evangelical value of the Lord’s Supper as both a converting and sanctifying ordinance, the Wesley brothers practiced frequent communion. Wesley took the Lord’s Supper at least once every four to five days, and he encouraged Methodists to celebrate the Lord’s Supper weekly. Commenting on the importance of communion, Wesley said, “It is the duty of every Christian to receive the Lord’s Supper as often as he can.” Wesley’s “high church” view of the sacrament can be seen by the publication of Hymns on the Lord’s Supper, published in 1745. In his sermon “The Duty of Constant Communion,” Wesley said,

I am to show that it is the duty of every Christian to receive the Lord's Supper as often as he can. Let every one, therefore, who has either any desire to please God, or any love of his own soul, obey God, and consult the good of his own soul, by communicating every time he can; like the first Christians, with whom the Christian sacrifice was a constant part of the Lord's day service. And for several centuries they received it almost every day: Four times a week always, and every saint's day beside. Accordingly, those that joined in the prayers of the faithful never failed to partake of the blessed sacrament. What opinion they had of any who turned his back upon it, we may learn from that ancient canon: "If any believer join in the prayers of the faithful, and go away without receiving the Lord's Supper, let him be excommunicated, as bringing confusion into the church of God."

Wesley also believed that the grace of God was conveyed in the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper through the “real presence” of Christ. He said,

The grace of God given herein confirms to us the pardon of our sins, by enabling us to leave them. As our bodies are strengthened by bread and wine, so are our souls by these tokens of the body and blood of Christ. This is the food of our souls: This gives strength to perform our duty, and leads us on to perfection. If, therefore, we have any regard for the plain command of Christ, if we desire the pardon of our sins, if we wish for strength to believe, to love and obey God, then we should neglect no opportunity of receiving the Lord's Supper; then we must never turn our backs on the feast which our Lord has prepared for us.

This grace is conveyed through the sacramental presence of the Holy Spirit that makes Christ’s “real presence” available to the believer. The Lord’s Supper, then, is a means of encounter with the living God. So esteemed was the Lord's Supper in the Wesley brothers’ spirituality that they created an entire book of hymns, Hymns on the Lord's Supper, to give Methodists varied and appropriate hymns for their sacramental occasions. Not well known today, these 166 hymns formed one of the greatest works of eucharistic devotion ever produced in Christian literature. The hymns were composed by Charles, but John edited them and supervised their theological content.

 
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If you were Methodist and eventually transitioned to Episcopal, then, ironically, that brought you back closer to John Wesley's teaching and practices than that of current day United Methodists...

Yes, ironically our Episcopal liturgy is closer to the Methodism of my youth than what Methodist worship had morphed into at the time I left, a shadow of its former self, in my opinion. There was great familiarity to a time past, which made my transition fairly easy. I will say in my journey, I developed a great fondness for Orthodoxy, and might easily have found a home there were it not for one or two things. But, who knows, God isn't done with me yet; I might end up there yet?
 
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