When in the 7 years, the 7th vial takes place

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

In Revelation 16:17-20 is the 7th vial of God's wrath poured out on the world. It involves huge hail stones, a massive global earthquake, buildings falling in the nations.

It is after the kings of the earth begin gathering their armies to (in vain) make war of Jesus. Their gathering for such an endeavor, angers God, that He has the 7th vial of His wrath poured out on the world, that has gone into unrepented rebellion against Him and His Son, our Lord and Savior - Jesus.

On my chart, I show the 7th vial highlighted in green....

grafted branch · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
In Revelation 16:17-20 is the 7th vial of God's wrath poured out on the world. It involves huge hail stones, a massive global earthquake, buildings falling in the nations.

It is after the kings of the earth begin gathering their armies to (in vain) make war of Jesus. Their gathering for such an endeavor, angers God, that He has the 7th vial of His wrath poured out on the world, that has gone into unrepented rebellion against Him and His Son, our Lord and Savior - Jesus.

On my chart, I show the 7th vial highlighted in green....

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At the seventh vial in Revelation 16:19 Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the wrath of God. In Revelation 18:9-10 the kings of the earth are standing afar off when they see the smoke of Babylon burning.

I know we have very different views of when theses things take place but what are your thoughts on where the kings of the earth are when they observe Babylon burning? Are they on earth or somewhere else?

DavidPT · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
In Revelation 16:17-20 is the 7th vial of God's wrath poured out on the world. It involves huge hail stones, a massive global earthquake, buildings falling in the nations.

It is after the kings of the earth begin gathering their armies to (in vain) make war of Jesus. Their gathering for such an endeavor, angers God, that He has the 7th vial of His wrath poured out on the world, that has gone into unrepented rebellion against Him and His Son, our Lord and Savior - Jesus.

On my chart, I show the 7th vial highlighted in green....

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I don't know if this is what you might be meaning, but I do see it being somewhat logical, by having 6 vials of wrath being poured out on you, you then gathering for battle at that point. I can see it being when they are gathered to battle being when the final vial is poured out. Plus, it appears to agree with Ezekiel 38-39 because it is when they gather to battle that the end of them comes.

You, unfortunately, misapply the timing of those events, and by doing so have the events involving the battle of that great day of God Almighty not involving the battle of Gog and his multitude in Ezekiel 38-39. You have them, of all things, burning weapons for the entire 70th week though not one thing recorded in the book of Daniel involving the 70th week even hints at anyone burning weapons during that time. Nor in Matthew 24 involving verses 15-26, where I myself take to involve the 2nd half of the the 70th week, does it even hint at anyone burning weapons at the time. Nor in Revelation 13, where, in my view is involving Matthew 24:15-26, does it even hint that anyone is burning weapons at the time. Yet, you insist they are still burning weapons at the time since you have them beginning to burn weapons 3.5 years earlier.

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

grafted branch said:
At the seventh vial in Revelation 16:19 Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the wrath of God. In Revelation 18:9-10 the kings of the earth are standing afar off when they see the smoke of Babylon burning.

I know we have very different views of when theses things take place but what are your thoughts on where the kings of the earth are when they observe Babylon burning? Are they on earth or somewhere else?

In Revelation 18:2, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, is talking about the fall of Satan's spiritual kingdom of himself and his angels. It is referring to them being cast down to earth, a little bit past the midpoint of the 7 years in Revelation 12:7-9.

God, then starts dismantling Satan's kingdom over the second half of the seven years until it is no more.... as Satan is reduced to being a terror no more, cast into the bottomless pit, and his angels cast into the lake of fire.

Babylon the Great, a label put on Satan's spiritual kingdom, has brought so much evil into the world by its influences and temptations for humans to do wrong.

God warns not to take part in her sins, so not as to receive the plagues that will come upon her. verse 4.

Revelation 18 then start making an analogy using a great trading city, powerful and wealthy, made rich by immortal activities, that suddenly gets destroyed. Seen far way, by others, kings of the earth, in surrounding nations, of her smoke as she burns to the ground. It is important to remember it is an analogy.

The analogy points to the speed at which Satan's powerful spiritual kingdom will quickly come crashing down. And the men made rich and cities great, by her evil and temptations, will be all for naught when the 7th vial of God's wrath is poured out on the earth.

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Another observance of note is the fall of the tower of Babel when men conspired to reach heaven in rebellion to God's sovereign rule.

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

DavidPT said:
You, unfortunately, misapply the timing of those events, and by doing so have the events involving the battle of that great day of God Almighty not involving the battle of Gog and his multitude in Ezekiel 38-39. You have them, of all things, burning weapons for the entire 70th week though not one thing recorded in the book of Daniel involving the 70th week even hints at anyone burning weapons during that time. Nor in Matthew 24 involving verses 15-26, where I myself take to involve the 2nd half of the the 70th week, does it even hint at anyone burning weapons at the time. Nor in Revelation 13, where, in my view is involving Matthew 24:15-26, does it even hint that anyone is burning weapons at the time. Yet, you insist they are still burning weapons at the time since you have them beginning to burn weapons 3.5 years earlier.

The burning of the weapons during the second half of the seven years explanation...

When the abomination of desolation is set up to be worshiped in the holy place, i.e. the temple mount - the Jews will begin fleeing into the mountains. Where they will be divinely protected there from the beast and his men - for the second half of the seven years.

The mountains of Israel will be littered with military vehicles left from the destruction Gog's army three and half years before. The Jews will burn the weapons, and assuming the fuel of them, for heat and cooking for the second half of the seven years.

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The Jews will burn the weapons instead of wood during the first half of the 7 years, during the false messianic age, while not under duress.

And the Jews will burn the weapons instead of wood during the second half of the 7 years, during the great tribulation, while in the mountains place of safety, under Divine protection from God.

So the burning of the weapons instead of wood is for 7 years total.

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tranquil · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
In Revelation 16:17-20 is the 7th vial of God's wrath poured out on the world. It involves huge hail stones, a massive global earthquake, buildings falling in the nations.

It is after the kings of the earth begin gathering their armies to (in vain) make war of Jesus. Their gathering for such an endeavor, angers God, that He has the 7th vial of His wrath poured out on the world, that has gone into unrepented rebellion against Him and His Son, our Lord and Savior - Jesus.

On my chart, I show the 7th vial highlighted in green....

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It's bad enough that you put the Bowls on top of the Trumpets on top of the Seals, but to put the 7th Seal on top of the other Seals is just off the charts wrong.

Here is a question.

How, according to this chart, is the great tribulation shortened? From your perspective it the '2nd half of Dan 9:27'. In other words, the end comes at the end of the 7 years - which in no way is this shortening the great tribulation.

grafted branch · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
In Revelation 18:2, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, is talking about the fall of Satan's spiritual kingdom of himself and his angels. It is referring to them being cast down to earth, a little bit past the midpoint of the 7 years in Revelation 12:7-9.

God, then starts dismantling Satan's kingdom over the second half of the seven years until it is no more.... as Satan is reduced to being a terror no more, cast into the bottomless pit, and his angels cast into the lake of fire.

Babylon the Great, a label put on Satan's spiritual kingdom, has brought so much evil into the world by its influences and temptations for humans to do wrong.

God warns not to take part in her sins, so not as to receive the plagues that will come upon her. verse 4.

Revelation 18 then start making an analogy using a great trading city, powerful and wealthy, made rich by immortal activities, that suddenly gets destroyed. Seen far way, by others, kings of the earth, in surrounding nations, of her smoke as she burns to the ground. It is important to remember it is an analogy.

The analogy points to the speed at which Satan's powerful spiritual kingdom will quickly come crashing down. And the men made rich and cities great, by her evil and temptations, will be all for naught when the 7th vial of God's wrath is poured out on the earth.

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Another observance of note is the fall of the tower of Babel when men conspired to reach heaven in rebellion to God's sovereign rule.

Ok, on your chart you show the 7th vial being poured out in what looks like the last quarter of the 6th seal, right before Christ returns.

According to Revelation 16:19 this is when Babylon comes in remembrance to God to give unto her the wrath of God. Babylon burning and smoke rising would seem to be part of the wrath and not just the dismantling.

Analogy or not, it seems to show that after Babylon is destroyed (burnt) there will be people that remain and lament for her. This would also be similar to the tower of Bable, people remained and continued after that event but in a different capacity.

In your view, are these people who lament for Babylon killed or do they continue the live beyond the 7th vial?

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

tranquil said:
It's bad enough that you put the Bowls on top of the Trumpets on top of the Seals,

The vials (bowls) are not stacked on top of the trumpets.

The chart is just the information found in the chapters, as a person reads through Revelation, beginning with the seals of Chapter 6 as the foundation level, with information added in chapter 7, then chapter 8-9, then chapter 11-12.

chapter 6 - level 1, the six segments of the 7 years
chapter 7 - level 2 the Great Tribulation
chapter 8 and 9 - level 3 the trumpets 1-6
chapter 11 and 12 - level 4 - trumpet 7, the third woe

tranquil said:
How, according to this chart, is the great tribulation shortened? From your perspective it the '2nd half of Dan 9:27'. In other words, the end comes at the end of the 7 years - which in no way is this shortening the great tribulation.

The great tribulation will not be shortened in terms of days. It will be limited to that length of time - cut short of all life on earth being eradicated.

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

grafted branch said:
Ok, on your chart you show the 7th vial being poured out in what looks like the last quarter of the 6th seal, right before Christ returns.

According to Revelation 16:19 this is when Babylon comes in remembrance to God to give unto her the wrath of God. Babylon burning and smoke rising would seem to be part of the wrath and not just the dismantling.

Revelation 16:19 is not a burning, but a destruction by hail and earthquake.

DavidPT · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
Revelation 16:19 is not a burning, but a destruction by hail and earthquake.

Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

What happens if we compare with Ezekiel 38?

Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

I don't know why great hailstones might not be describing a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent? Therefore, both of these accounts at least have that in common, these great hailstones. Even though the former makes no mention of fire, the latter does---fire, and brimstone.

It does not remotely seem reasonable that if these events recorded in these two accounts are involving the final days of this age, that one account is meaning years earlier than that of the other account. If the account recorded in the latter account happens first, years ealier, why then does what is recorded in the former account need to happen years later? The former account indicates that men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. While the latter account makes no mention of that. But even so, if they are getting bombarded with an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, is it then logical that they wouldn't be blaspheming God because of the plague of the hail? Of course that is not logical, which then is something else both these accounts have in common, they are blaspheming God because of this great hail, regardless that the latter neglects to mention it.

As to an earthquake in regards to Ezekiel 38:22, we already know it obviously involves an earthquake like no other, that it trumps any earthquakes in the past in comparison, in light of the following.

Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

According to this it is His presence that is causing this. Is not the 7th vial also involving His presence? His presence could mean in the sense, as in, per the time when He was overthrowing Sodom and Gomorrah. Or it could mean in the sense, as in, He has literally bodily returned, meaning His 2nd coming. IOW, it is His presence being why the following in Revelation 16:18 is saying what is says---and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

DavidPT said:
Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

What happens if we compare with Ezekiel 38?

Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

I don't know why great hailstones might not be describing a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent? Therefore, both of these accounts at least have that in common, these great hailstones. Even though the former makes no mention of fire, the latter does---fire, and brimstone.

It does not remotely seem reasonable that if these events recorded in these two accounts are involving the final days of this age, that one account is meaning years earlier than that of the other account. If the account recorded in the latter account happens first, years ealier, why then does what is recorded in the former account need to happen years later? The former account indicates that men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. While the latter account makes no mention of that. But even so, if they are getting bombarded with an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, is it then logical that they wouldn't be blaspheming God because of the plague of the hail? Of course that is not logical, which then is something else both these accounts have in common, they are blaspheming God because of this great hail, regardless that the latter neglects to mention it.

As to an earthquake in regards to Ezekiel 38:22, we already know it obviously involves an earthquake like no other, that it trumps any earthquakes in the past in comparison, in light of the following.

Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

According to this it is His presence that is causing this. Is not the 7th vial also involving His presence? His presence could mean in the sense, as in, per the time when He was overthrowing Sodom and Gomorrah. Or it could mean in the sense, as in, He has literally bodily returned, meaning His 2nd coming. IOW, it is His presence being why the following in Revelation 16:18 is saying what is says---and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

The difference, David, is that when the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event takes place, Israel is at a state of ease, at least somewhat.

While in Revelation 16, the 7th vial of God's wrath, Israel is in a state of Great Tribulation, the time of Jacobs's trouble.

So they are two different events. Gog/Magog right before the 7 years begins. The 7th vial of God's wrath, at the very end of the 7 years.

DavidPT · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
The great tribulation will not be shortened in terms of days. It will be limited to that length of time - cut short of all life on earth being eradicated.

That's basically how I tend to reason it as well. We at least have that understanding in common. Except for one thing, I guess. While I do agree it's in regards to this---cut short of all life on earth being eradicated---I only see it being in regards to Christians, not all of mankind on the planet at the time. After all, the text indicates that it is for the elect's sake these days are cut short. And that I take the elect in this context to be meaning Christians. IOW, the number of martyred Christians during this period of time is going to be staggering. The numbers will be millions if not billions. You of course disagree, and we all know why. And that is because you believe Christians will be raptured out of here prior to this time period involving great tribulation.

If we have great tribulation involving the possible extinction of mankind, which includes the lost, then where do all of these come from per the following if mankind was close to becoming extinct unless the great tribulation was cut short?

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

And what about all of these that I have underlined?

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

If this is involving the same era of time the great tribulation is involving, it doesn't appear to me that these days need to get shortened on their behalf, since it doesn't look like any of them are going away any time soon. And besides, these still need to be among the living in order to make sense out of the first vial since it is poured out after the beast's 42 month reign, on those who been worshiping the beast during it's 42 month reign.

keras · Feb 17, 2023

It is a mistake to compare things like hailstorms, earthquakes and the sun darkened, mentioned at some events and to conflate them. Those things are common and are not special indicators.

So, the sequence of events as I figure it from Bible prophecy is:

The Mid East attack, started by Iran and all the Islamic enemies of Israel, but God will intervene at the last minute, with a C.M.E. which will destroy all those attackers and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region, Isaiah 30:25-30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, excepting for a small Jewish remnant left in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

After a short period of time, God will arrange for the descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel and the faithful; Gentiles, all the born again Christian people, to assemble on the hills of Samaria. Amos 3:9, Ezekiel 18:30-32, Malachi 3:5

There, He will confront and judge them. The righteous will go to live in the Land, but the ones judged unrighteous will not enter. Ezekiel 20:38, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

His people, every faithful Christian, will settle and become prosperous in a blessed Land. Jeremiah 16:14-16, Amos 9:13-15, Psalms 37:29

After a few years, a Northern confederation [Gog’s army] will attack them, but will be destroyed by God. Ezekiel 38:21-22, Joel 2:20

Because of this defeat and difficult economic conditions, the rest of the world will accept a One World government led by a strong leader. Daniel 8:23-26, Revelation 13

He will sign a 7 year peace treaty with God’s people, which will mark the commencement of the 70th week spoken of by Daniel. The Tribulation commences after 3½ years, when that treaty is broken. Daniel 9:27

The Lord Jesus will Return and destroy the army of the nations commanded by the Anti- Christ at Armageddon and will then reign over the world, from Jerusalem for the next 1000 years. Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 14:16-21

At the end of that time, a resurgent Gog’s army will again attack Israel. They are totally burned up and then comes the Judgment of the Great white Throne, on all people and angels. Revelation 20:7-15
THEN - Eternity. Revelation 21-22

keras · Feb 17, 2023

DavidPT said:
IOW, the number of martyred Christians during this period of time is going to be staggering. The numbers will be millions if not billions. You of course disagree, and we all know why. And that is because you believe Christians will be raptured out of here prior to this time period involving great tribulation.

Why is it so hard to understand Revelation 12:14, where it states that the faithful Christians are taken to a place of safety [on earth] for that 1260 days?
Only those who violated the Covenant with God must remain. Daniel 11:32 The AC kills some of them. Revelation 12:17.

As for the 'rapture to heaven' theory; anyone who believes that nonsense, is in the mire of deceit and confusion.

DavidPT · Feb 17, 2023

keras said:
It is a mistake to compare things like hailstorms, earthquakes and the sun darkened, mentioned at some events and to conflate them. Those things are common and are not special indicators.

So, the sequence of events as I figure it from Bible prophecy is:

The Mid East attack, started by Iran and all the Islamic enemies of Israel, but God will intervene at the last minute, with a C.M.E. which will destroy all those attackers and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region, Isaiah 30:25-30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, excepting for a small Jewish remnant left in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

After a short period of time, God will arrange for the descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel and the faithful; Gentiles, all the born again Christian people, to assemble on the hills of Samaria. Amos 3:9, Ezekiel 18:30-32, Malachi 3:5

There, He will confront and judge them. The righteous will go to live in the Land, but the ones judged unrighteous will not enter. Ezekiel 20:38, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

His people, every faithful Christian, will settle and become prosperous in a blessed Land. Jeremiah 16:14-16, Amos 9:13-15, Psalms 37:29

After a few years, a Northern confederation [Gog’s army] will attack them, but will be destroyed by God. Ezekiel 38:21-22, Joel 2:20

Because of this defeat and difficult economic conditions, the rest of the world will accept a One World government led by a strong leader. Daniel 8:23-26, Revelation 13

He will sign a 7 year peace treaty with God’s people, which will mark the commencement of the 70th week spoken of by Daniel. The Tribulation commences after 3½ years, when that treaty is broken. Daniel 9:27

The Lord Jesus will Return and destroy the army of the nations commanded by the Anti- Christ at Armageddon and will then reign over the world, from Jerusalem for the next 1000 years. Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 14:16-21

At the end of that time, a resurgent Gog’s army will again attack Israel. They are totally burned up and then comes the Judgment of the Great white Throne, on all people and angels. Revelation 20:7-15
THEN - Eternity. Revelation 21-22

Ezekiel 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

IMO, since this is pertaining to what Ezekiel 38:19-23 is pertaining to, and that I reason that Ezekiel 38:19-23 is pertaining to the 7th vial, therfore what is recorded per Ezekiel 39:8 above sure sounds a lot like what is recorded in Revelation 16:17---and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done .

Which then tells us that since Scripture interprets Scripture, this great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, is meaning the Lord GOD according to Ezekiel 39:8. And why wouldn't it be, the fact the temple in heaven, from the throne, this great voice would be meaning the Lord God? Where that then tells us that since Revelation 16:17 is involving the 7th vial, then so are some of these events recorded in Ezekiel 38-39. But I already proved that via an earlier post. Ezekiel 39:8 and Revelation 16:17 further confirms it. As if God is going to say 'it is done' on two different occasions, which then contradicts that He said it was done.

I don't know what it is called that some of you are doing via Scriptures at times. But what I am doing via Scriptures is comparing Scripture with Scripture in order to try and arrive at a logical conclusion. It might not make me right every single time, yet at least I'm trying to interpret Scripture with Scripture. So, that should at least mean I'm right some of the time. I don't know how it could instead mean I'm wrong every single time.

SavedByGrace3 · Feb 17, 2023

I consider the 7 bowls to be in the 7th trumpet, and the 7 trumpets to be in the 7th seal.

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

SavedByGrace3 said:
I consider the 7 bowls to be in the 7th trumpet, and the 7 trumpets to be in the 7th seal.
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What is the left boundary of the chart ? And what is the right boundary of the chart ?

day 1 and day 2520 of the 7 years ?
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The 7th seal cannot be in the same bar as the other 6 seals, because the 6th seal is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

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You don't show a bar for the Great Tribulation

SavedByGrace3 · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
What is the left boundary of the chart ? And what is the right boundary of the chart ?

day 1 and day 2520 of the 7 years ?
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The 7th seal cannot be in the same bar as the other 6 seals, because the 6th seal is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

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You don't show a bar for the Great Tribulation

It seems pretty evident that the seals, trumpets, and bowls are in chronological order.
I am not sure how we can have seals opened simultaneously. But I am open to suggestions. I suspect nobody really understands the fullness of this at this point. We may not know until it all takes place.
Thanks...

Douggg · Feb 17, 2023

SavedByGrace3 said:
It seems pretty evident that the seals, trumpets, and bowls are in chronological order.

No, there is overlapping. Which is why the seventh seal is detached in another chapter. And the seventh trumpet detached in another chapter from the other 6 trumpets.

SavedByGrace3 said:
I am not sure how we can have seals opened simultaneously. But I am open to suggestions. I suspect nobody really understands the fullness of this at this point. We may not know until it all takes place.

They were not opened simultaneously.

They were opened, one by one, in a sequence in chapter 6, to show the chronological progression from the beginning of the 7 years to the ending of the 7 years.

tranquil · Feb 17, 2023

Douggg said:
The vials (bowls) are not stacked on top of the trumpets.

The chart is just the information found in the chapters, as a person reads through Revelation, beginning with the seals of Chapter 6 as the foundation level, with information added in chapter 7, then chapter 8-9, then chapter 11-12.

chapter 6 - level 1, the six segments of the 7 years
chapter 7 - level 2 the Great Tribulation
chapter 8 and 9 - level 3 the trumpets 1-6
chapter 11 and 12 - level 4 - trumpet 7, the third woe

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The great tribulation will not be shortened in terms of days. It will be limited to that length of time - cut short of all life on earth being eradicated.

Here is Doug's response: "The great tribulation will not be shortened in terms of days."

Matt 24:

21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

This chart is just as bad as before.

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