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Free will: Why people believe in it even when they think they're being manipulated

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We all like to believe that we are free to make our own choices. At the same time, many people think that psychological techniques are constantly being used to sway us—from social media trends to advertising. So how do we square this?

Surprisingly, it's a question most researchers have ignored until now. But in a series of recent studies, we asked people "where in your day to day life do you think psychological tactics are being used to manipulate you unconsciously?"—and investigated what that meant for their belief in free will.

In a 2018 study across four countries (Australia, Canada, U.K. and the U.S.), responses to the question above were remarkably similar. In fact, they cut across age, gender, religiosity and political affiliation.

Approximately 45% of the examples people gave of psychological manipulation referred to marketing and advertising—especially "subliminal advertising" (using images or sounds to entice or persuade people that they aren't consciously aware of). The next most common (19%) was research (such as using placebos), then political campaigning (7%), social media (4%) and hypnotherapy (4%).

People typically described methods that subtly change mood, emotions and thoughts in such a way they that they persuade us into choosing or doing things that we have not consciously consented to. For instance, shops can pipe the smell of fresh baked bread outside it to entice people in. In a speech, a politician may emphasize specific words to persuade people to support them. Despite knowing such a thing could happen, we typically can't be sure when we were being manipulating in this way.

But do methods such as subliminal messaging actually work? Psychological research has not settled on an answer to this. But it is interesting to ponder how all this affects our belief in free will.

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But do methods such as subliminal messaging actually work? Psychological research has not settled on an answer to this. But it is interesting to ponder how all this affects our belief in free will.

What does any of this have to do with free will?

When I was in college, I learned of such things as Hobson's Choice and Hedonistic Calculus, and their consequences, Cognitive Dissonance.

I've recently learned of the 50/50/90 rule.

From God's perspective, it's free will all the way.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
 
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We all like to believe that we are free to make our own choices. At the same time, many people think that psychological techniques are constantly being used to sway us—from social media trends to advertising. So how do we square this?

Surprisingly, it's a question most researchers have ignored until now. But in a series of recent studies, we asked people "where in your day to day life do you think psychological tactics are being used to manipulate you unconsciously?"—and investigated what that meant for their belief in free will.

In a 2018 study across four countries (Australia, Canada, U.K. and the U.S.), responses to the question above were remarkably similar. In fact, they cut across age, gender, religiosity and political affiliation.

Approximately 45% of the examples people gave of psychological manipulation referred to marketing and advertising—especially "subliminal advertising" (using images or sounds to entice or persuade people that they aren't consciously aware of). The next most common (19%) was research (such as using placebos), then political campaigning (7%), social media (4%) and hypnotherapy (4%).

People typically described methods that subtly change mood, emotions and thoughts in such a way they that they persuade us into choosing or doing things that we have not consciously consented to. For instance, shops can pipe the smell of fresh baked bread outside it to entice people in. In a speech, a politician may emphasize specific words to persuade people to support them. Despite knowing such a thing could happen, we typically can't be sure when we were being manipulating in this way.

But do methods such as subliminal messaging actually work? Psychological research has not settled on an answer to this. But it is interesting to ponder how all this affects our belief in free will.

Read More at MedicalxPress...
I never thought of free will as being immune to all external conditioning.

Free will just means your own conscience has some potential to be the originating force in a decision. Will that potential be overwhelmed by family, culture, even your own biology? Sure, pretty often for most people.
 
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I think the " free" in the term free will is a bit problematic for many people. It is for me., Our will is individual but costly and not completely unfettered by outside influences. We do not possess totally free choice as we are constrained by the fact, we are not beings with unlimited capacity. Yet we do have the ability to decide to do or not do the things we are a capable of doing or not doing.
 
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I think the " free" in the term free will is a bit problematic for many people. It is for me., Our will is individual but costly and not completely unfettered by outside influences. We do not possess totally free choice as we are constrained by the fact, we are not beings with unlimited capacity. Yet we do have the ability to decide to do or not do the things we are a capable of doing or not doing.
Yes, "free" makes it sounds like total unfettered latitude of action.

For me tho, we have "free will" so long as we have any capacity originating in ones self to influence a decision. For many this is a tiny spark on a raft adrift in a wavy ocean. Others have cultivated a furnace within a strong hull. All can be swamped if the seas get rough enough.
 
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Yes, "free" makes it sounds like total unfettered latitude of action.

For me tho, we have "free will" so long as we have any capacity originating in ones self to influence a decision. For many this is a tiny spark on a raft adrift in a wavy ocean. Others have cultivated a furnace within a strong hull. All can be swamped if the seas get rough enough.
I think a lot of people would prefer to think they had no choice when their decisions turned out to be poor ones. If one can convince oneself that one doesn't have the ability to take a decision but is constrained by some outside force to do or not do whatever one does or does not do, then one doesn't need to be bothered with the inconvenience of being held responsible for one's actions. One can instead vilify upon anyone that would suggest that one's plight might actually be one's own fault.
 
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I'm thankful our courts believe in free will.
Not me so much.

Id prefer we did way more to rehabilitate and educate the convicted rather than just hoping they awaken to an aha moment thats sufficient to overcome all their lousy attitudes and conditioning.
 
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Id prefer we did way more to rehabilitate and educate the convicted ...

Why waste your time, if they did it by compulsion?

If there's no free will, then you can educate them until they're omniscient, and they'll still do what they did.

Listen to the words of this song, and you'll see what I'm saying:

 
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If there's no free will, then you can educate them until they're omniscient, and they'll still do what they did.
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If there's no free will, then people are still acting on something. The best candidate would be their conditioning, partly biological but also very much social.
 
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If there's no free will, then people are still acting on something. The best candidate would be their conditioning, partly biological but also very much social.

Do you believe in free will?

If not, were Klebold & Harris fulfilling their destinies?
 
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Do you believe in free will?

If not, were Klebold & Harris fulfilling their destinies?
I dont understand. Are you presenting some objection to what I previously said to you?

Free will or not, people behave better with some good conditioning.
 
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When I was in college, I learned of such things as Hobson's Choice and Hedonistic Calculus, and their consequences, Cognitive Dissonance.
Many of your posts as well as posts by others, myself included, can serve as examples of cognitive dissonance and cognitive distortions.

What is Cognitive Dissonance?

Cognitive dissonance and cognitive distortions describes when we avoid having conflicting beliefs and attitudes because it makes us feel uncomfortable. The clash is usually dealt with by rejecting, debunking, or avoiding new information.​

Individual effects

Rejecting, rationalizing, or avoiding information that conflicts with our beliefs can lead us to make poor decisions. This is because the information is not rejected because it is false but because it makes us uncomfortable. Information that is both true and useful can often have this effect.​

The above feeds back to my original premise that we are the sum total of our experiences which includes our beliefs.
 
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The above feeds back to my original premise that we are the sum total of our experiences which includes our beliefs.

I disagree.

I believe we are gestalts.

Meaning our whole is greater than the sum of our parts.

Which, by the way, include souls and spirits.

We're not just mass and energy -- we're much more.
 
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I disagree.

I believe we are gestalts.

Meaning our whole is greater than the sum of our parts.

Which, by the way, include souls and spirits.

We're not just mass and energy -- we're much more.
I agree, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts but it does not change the fact that we act from our experiences. We may think we act according to our beliefs, dig deeper into what justifies beliefs you will find it is our experiences.
 
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