How Old is the Water We Drink?

Frank Robert · Jan 2, 2023

Astronomers have worked out when most of the water on Earth probably formed and it's older than you think.

Deciphering what happened so long ago is not simple. “After all, we only have at hand the final products of the process,” say Ceccarelli and Fu.

Instead, they have studied the history of the Solar System by watching how other planetary systems are currently forming elsewhere in the galaxy....

It turns out there is a special piece of evidence that helps confirm that the water on Earth came from this interstellar process.

Primeval hydrogen is a mix of two isotopes. The first is ordinary hydrogen with a single proton as a nucleus, while the second is deuterium, which has a proton and neutron as its heart....

It turns out that our water does share this signature. ““Heavy over normal” water on Earth is about 10 times larger than the elemental D/H ratio in the Universe,” say Ceccarelli and Fu. “This is a very precise indication that at least part of the water that arrived to us formed in the original molecular cloud clump from which the Solar System was born.”

The researchers say this evidence suggests that up to 50 per cent of the water we drink today probably came from this process and was delivered to Earth via small bodies called planetesimals. But they go on to say that the exact way in which this happened is far from clear.

Nevertheless, it means that each time you take a sip of water, you are drinking from a 4.5 billion year-old font that dates back to the formation of the Solar System.

Cheers!

AV1611VET · Jan 2, 2023

How old are the electrons that made up this water?

d taylor · Jan 2, 2023

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Not sure if water was there in Genesis 1:1 when God created the heavens and earth. If not, water came about between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 because the earth created in 1:1 is flooded in Genesis 1:2

AV1611VET · Jan 2, 2023

d taylor said:
Not sure if water was there in Genesis 1:1 when God created the heavens and earth.

It was.

Earth consisted of a mass of sea water in the hollow of God's hand: formless and void.

When the time came, God said, "Let the dry land appear," and the elements in the sea water came together and formed one huge landmass that came out of the sea as dry land.

d taylor · Jan 2, 2023

AV1611VET said:
It was.

Earth consisted of a mass of sea water in the hollow of God's hand: formless and void.

When the time came, God said, "Let the dry land appear," and the elements in the sea water came together and formed one huge landmass that came out of the sea as dry land.

If so, where in Genesis 1:1 is there any indication that water was part of the creation. Because it only states in the beginning God created heaven and earth. Earth as define by The Bible is land or ground

AV1611VET · Jan 2, 2023

d taylor said:
If so, where in Genesis 1:1 is there any indication that water was part of the creation. Because it only states in the beginning God created heaven and earth. Earth as define by The Bible is land or ground

If the earth was the landmass, then what came forth on the third day?

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

When those waters scooted aside, did the land scoot aside as well?

d taylor · Jan 2, 2023

AV1611VET said:
If the earth was the landmass, then what came forth on the third day?

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

When those waters scooted aside, did the land scoot aside as well?

I am not talking about Genesis 1:9. Because i have already stated i believer the earth created in 1:1 was flooded. That is seen in Genesis 1:2

I am talking about the original earth created in Genesis 1:1. Of course we believe in two different creation accounts, so we see Genesis 1 from different creation theologies.

AV1611VET · Jan 2, 2023

d taylor said:
I am not talking about Genesis 1:9. Because i have already stated i believer the earth created in 1:1 was flooded. That is seen in Genesis 1:2

I am talking about the original earth created in Genesis 1:1. Of course we believe in two different creation accounts, so we see Genesis 1 from different creation theologies.

Okay -- let's back up then.

You asked a good question, albeit misleading:

If so, where in Genesis 1:1 is there any indication that water was part of the creation.

There is no indication in Genesis 1:1 that water was part of the creation.

So what point are you making?

Even if I agree with you that God created Earth underwater in Genesis 1:1 as an oblate spheroid, what came forth on the third day of the Creation Week?

Islands? another planet? the moon? what exactly?

d taylor · Jan 2, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Okay -- let's back up then.

You asked a good question, albeit misleading:

There is no indication in Genesis 1:1 that water was part of the creation.

So what point are you making?

Even if I agree with you that God created Earth underwater in Genesis 1:1 as an oblate spheroid, what came forth on the third day of the Creation Week?

Islands? another planet? the moon? what exactly?

Like i stated your creation theology and mine are different.
I believe Genesis 1:1 is the original creation created by God that came into existence in a moment of time. As long as it took for God to speak it into existence. Was water part of this creation i do not know as it is not stated in Genesis 1:1

This creation was the home to the angels including satan, where satan was in the garden of God. When satan sinned along with other angles following his fall. God judged satan, as part of satans judgment. The earth was affected, cutting out the light, lighting the earth and flooded it with water.

Now the earth of Genesis 1:1 could have had water like rivers, but i do not believe there was a large body of water. The water that flooded the Genesis 1:1 earth could have been similar to what happened with the flood in Genesis 6,7 coming from underneath and above the earth.

Your would not agreeing with me about God creating an oblate spheroid underwater. As the earth is not an oblate spheroid.

Hans Blaster · Jan 3, 2023

AV1611VET said:
How old are the electrons that made up this water?

The vast majority of all electrons in the Universe are 13.7 billion years old. While some nuclear reactions do emit electrons, the overall course of the evolution of elements since the Big Bang has been to convert protons+electrons into neutrons.

Astrid · Jan 3, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
The vast majority of all electrons in the Universe are 13.7 billion years old. While some nuclear reactions do emit electrons, the overall course of the evolution of elements since the Big Bang has been to convert protons+electrons into neutrons.

Imagine this God knows the paths that every
one of them has traveled for the past 13 billion
years.

Hans Blaster · Jan 3, 2023

Estrid said:
Imagine this God knows the paths that every
one of them has traveled for the past 13 billion
years.

Nah.

Astrid · Jan 4, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
Nah.

Just semi omniscient.

Diamond72 · Jan 7, 2023

Frank Robert said:
Nevertheless, it means that each time you take a sip of water, you are drinking from a 4.5 billion year-old font that dates back to the formation of the Solar System.

We could also be drinking the same water that someone drank thousands of years ago.

Astrid · Jan 7, 2023

Diamond7 said:
We could also be drinking the same water that someone drank thousands of years ago.

Every breath contains Hitler- breathed molecules.

Aaron112 · Jan 7, 2023

Frank Robert said:
Deciphering what happened so long ago is not simple. “After all, we only have at hand the final products of the process,” say Ceccarelli and Fu.

What if you did not have to decipher it at all, ever ? Just talk to, then wait for and listen, the One who Created Everything, from whom all things flow , the One Who IS the Giver of Life ?

Aaron112 · Jan 7, 2023

Frank Robert said:
Instead, they have studied the history of the Solar System by watching how other planetary systems are currently forming elsewhere in the galaxy....

Funny to me, like someone going to Los Angeles or New York or Paris , to look at , photograph, collect and study graphitti
without ever visiting and talking to a photographer who does/takes portraits for families, or ever talking to someone who spends years doing documentary on Polar bears or deep sea critters,
then
from the graphitti 'evidence', without all the other pertinent stuff available including the producers and such ,
trying to determine
how the mona lisa was painted and by whom.

Astrid · Jan 7, 2023

Aaron112 said:
What if you did not have to decipher it at all, ever ? Just talk to, then wait for and listen, the One who Created Everything, from whom all things flow , the One Who IS the Giver of Life ?

What if some people are intdrested. curious,
like to study and don't want things
just handed to them?
That's the difference between us.

Aaron112 · Jan 7, 2023

Estrid said:
What if some people are intdrested. curious,
like to study and don't want things
just handed to them?
That's the difference between us.

Go ahead and study.

Hans Blaster · Jan 8, 2023

Aaron112 said:
Funny to me, like someone going to Los Angeles or New York or Paris , to look at , photograph, collect and study graphitti
without ever visiting and talking to a photographer who does/takes portraits for families, or ever talking to someone who spends years doing documentary on Polar bears or deep sea critters,
then
from the graphitti 'evidence', without all the other pertinent stuff available including the producers and such ,
trying to determine
how the mona lisa was painted and by whom.

Do you understand the difference between studying star formation, polar bears, and the culture of a foreign city are?

For the city you can go there and talk to people. You can try the local cuisine, etc.

For the polar bears you can watch them, capture them and measure things about them, but you can't talk to them.

For star forming regions you can not visit them, you can only observe from afar. Is star formation different in different places?

In each case you use the tools that are available to you to answer the questions you have.

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