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The Taiwan Blue Magpie

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Magpies are birds of the Corvidae family. Like other members of their family, they are widely considered to be intelligent creatures. The Eurasian magpie, for instance, is thought to rank among the world's most intelligent creatures and is one of the few non-mammal species able to recognize itself in a mirror test.They are particularly well known for their songs and were once popular as cagebirds. - Magpie - Wikipedia


The Taiwan Blue Magpie I believe is the most colorful...
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Bet they got nothin' on these related beasts, when it comes to malicious attack strategies:

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Evidently the Australian magpie's thuggish behaviour has resulted in them being booted out of the corvid family.
The official reason is they lack "nasal bristles".;)

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Evidently the Australian magpie's thuggish behaviour has resulted in them being booted out of the corvid family.
The official reason is they lack "nasal bristles".;)

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Well they may have lost their nose hair, but I reckon I must be completely losin' it .. I found myself talking to one that was having a serious whinge about my activities in the local park the other day. My human accomplice had to remind me I was actually talking to a bird!
The monster eventually took off, landed on the overhead power lines and proceeded to sharpen his beak .. preparing for the inevitable attack from above!

I could write a book on the behaviour of these horrible things!
 
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Well they may have lost their nose hair, but I reckon I must be completely losin' it .. I found myself talking to one that was having a serious whinge about my activities in the local park the other day. My human accomplice had to remind me I was actually talking to a bird!
The monster eventually took off, landed on the overhead power lines and proceeded to sharpen his beak .. preparing for the inevitable attack from above!

I could write a book on the behaviour of these horrible things!
My 10 acre property overlaps with magpie territory composed of a community of around 5-10 birds.
While they will attack any bird that enters their territory and kangaroos, cats and other creatures during nesting season they don't perceive me as a threat and ignore me.

I have been clobbered by a magpie when venturing into foreign territory, It felt like being punched in the back of the head.
Apparently there is a sensitive side to these wretched creatures.

 
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My 10 acre property overlaps with magpie territory composed of a community of around 5-10 birds.
While they will attack any bird that enters their territory and kangaroos, cats and other creatures during nesting season they don't perceive me as a threat and ignore me.

I have been clobbered by a magpie when venturing into foreign territory, It felt like being punched in the back of the head.
Apparently there is a sensitive side to these wretched creatures.

A bit like a pit bull, rotweiller, (etc), kept as a pet, eh?

I'd whole heatedly agree with regarding them as intelligent and emotional animals.
(Which is why I found myself attempting a conversation with one).

I was configuring my RC glider on the ground the other day and I happened to glimpse up and saw, to my abject horror, that was surround by, (I kid you not), at least 15 of them within about 25 metres proximity, who had staked me out. Very intimidating.

My problem is my gliding hobby .. I never ask for 'flight controller' authorisations/permissions before launch .. :frowning:

PS: the girl in the video is the type of person who would complain when they get their eye poked out by the super pointy beak and end up blind because of their misguided faith!
 
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Australian magpies usually only attack during breeding season, like a number of other birds. The main problem is there is no warning, unlike plovers whom you can hear a mile off.

Years ago I was running along a street around dusk when "whack!". I felt this hard knock on the side of my head and a magpie went flying off in front of me, then did its signature landing on a powerline and started to sharpen it's beak for another go. It drew blood too.

I avoided the location for a few weeks, and then the breeding season was over.

My main concern with them is potential damage to my eyes.

The rest of the year they leave us alone, and vice versa, although some people feed them.

Mind you there have been a couple of deaths due to magpie attacks, but I think it's mainly when people react in shock and make mistakes.


Although extremely rare, deaths linked to magpie attacks do happen. A five-month-old girl died when her mother fell while being swooped by a magpie in Brisbane’s south in 2021. A man died in Wollongong in 2019 after crashing his bike while being attacked by a magpie.
 
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Australian magpies usually only attack during breeding season, like a number of other birds. The main problem is there is no warning, unlike plovers whom you can hear a mile off.
Actually, I've learned to recognise their warning and attack calls. (The attack call gives me time to prepare my glider for aerial combat engagement. I usually defeat 'em though .. Turns out they're real wimps in the air and their minds don't seem to be able to cope with it when their target does a loop back on 'em. They also won't leave their perch vantage points if there's a strong headwind they have to fly into to get to the target (too much effort required it seems .. so they're quite lazy when it comes to putting in the effort in, in that situation).
Years ago I was running along a street around dusk when "whack!". I felt this hard knock on the side of my head and a magpie went flying off in front of me, then did its signature landing on a powerline and started to sharpen it's beak for another go. It drew blood too.

I avoided the location for a few weeks, and then the breeding season was over.

My main concern with them is potential damage to my eyes.

The rest of the year they leave us alone, and vice versa, although some people feed them.

Mind you there have been a couple of deaths due to magpie attacks, but I think it's mainly when people react in shock and make mistakes.
Early spring is a nightmare .. but I have one harassing me right now (as I mentioned in a previous post). It hangs around with its recent offspring .. which is unusual. Normally by this time in the year, the parents leave them to sort out their own problems(?)
A potential rogue maggie in the making there, maybe(?)
Have you ever noticed how the offspring, just after they've left the nest, are so dopey you can rush at them and they seem to be incapable of even getting out of your way as you charge at them .. its really weird. Its like they haven't developed their survival 'flee' response yet or something(?)

The people who feed them, I think are a real problem. It more or less ensures they don't get attacked but any stranger who enters into the bird's 'exclusion zone', (which grows to enormously selfish proportions as the babies get closer to leaving the nest), is attacked without mercy whilst the feeder-type humans just stand by and laugh at it! :mad:
 
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I did not realize magpies were actually mean birds.
I think the aggressive thing might only be limited to the Australian magpie(?) Not entirely sure about that though ..

Most aggression is when the babies are still in the nest .. the males get kicked out by the females and get nagged to guard it 24x7.
Its all hormonally driven, I reckon(?) I tell the males to go back and tell her that its all sorted .. and tell her: 'I showed 'im who's the boss'! :D
 
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The idea of being kind and caring and luvvy dovvvy towards these things, as a way of avoiding major issues, is complete hogwash!

There's a certain amount of aggression called for .. otherwise the beasts lose their inate fear of us humans and attacks become more and more frequent and they won't stop at just one peck .. they'll completely demolish their victims, in the case of my planes .. in mid air and on the ground when they're completely stationary! They'll take massive chunks out of the planes and completely destroy them if I don't interfere and threaten them by shooing them away.
 
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I did not realize magpies were actually mean birds.
They are also highly intelligent and can recognize faces.
Since they recognize me I can walk past their nesting areas without fear of attack.
They also recognize the family cat which they seem to have a particular dislike of and attack my poor pet throughout the year and not just the nesting period.

A sign of their intelligence is they are not fooled by the ridiculous countermeasures we humans come up with.

 
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They are also highly intelligent and can recognize faces.
Since they recognize me I can walk past their nesting areas without fear of attack.
They also recognize the family cat which they seem to have a particular dislike of and attack my poor pet throughout the year and not just the nesting period.

A sign of their intelligence is they are not fooled by the ridiculous countermeasures we humans come up with.

The girl bike-rider's reaction, (the one with eyes on her helmut at the 2:50 mark), when she discovers it as being a miserable failure, is totally priceless! :D
Whilst I can confirm that the fake eyes definitely don't work, I've found that they won't attack if one keeps a fixed eye lock on them .. even if it means having to walk backwards in a retreat situation (gotta be careful not to fall down a hole etc in that scenario, too). Interestingly, that same eye lock can really cause trouble with other species like aggressive dogs, where it has the opposite effect.
 
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They are also highly intelligent and can recognize faces.
Since they recognize me I can walk past their nesting areas without fear of attack.
They also recognize the family cat which they seem to have a particular dislike of and attack my poor pet throughout the year and not just the nesting period.

A sign of their intelligence is they are not fooled by the ridiculous countermeasures we humans come up with.

The magpie swooping sign is also a total council cop-out!
What do they think a sign is gonna do to protect innocent mothers and babies?
Nup .. eradication is what they need to spend our taxes on .. not useless signs!

Perhaps I should use the signs as maggie-swatters or something? At least that's a practical use for them! :)
 
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From my flying experiences with them, I notice that when they attack the planes, they do so with unbelievable accuracy.
They go for just behind the canopy over the cockpit area. I've had to repair the damage in that exact same area, (millimetre precision here), on consecutive days.
I think they must identify that area as being 'the eyes' of the plane(?)

All of which justifies the idea that one should always wear sunglasses during swooping season .. that beak would demolish an eyeball in milliseconds .. (I've witnessed it from my flying experiences).
 
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The best weapon against them, (in my case), is a motorised propeller!
I've seen them knock themselves completely unconscious by flying straight into them .. (they can't see them until its too late).
Oh .. it recovered in that incident .. and went straight back to its offensive operations, however.
It attempted to get some sympathy from the female by returning to the nest .. but she couldn't care less about his injury. She squawked and squawked at him: 'get back out there and do ya duty .. don't come complaining about it to me .. I've got more important things to do ..' (or words to that affect). :tonguewink: :laughing:

Its interesting that they're smart enough to associate me with the threat (ie: the planes).
They'll recognise me from amongst a crowd of other humans, even when I don't have the planes with me.
.. But they're not smart enough to realise that I'm not the actual immediate threat! :scratch:
 
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The magpie swooping sign is also a total council cop-out!
What do they think a sign is gonna do to protect innocent mothers and babies?
Nup .. eradication is what they need to spend our taxes on .. not useless signs!

Perhaps I should use the signs as maggie-swatters or something? At least that's a practical use for them! :)
On a serious note I suspect these signs are designed to make councils litigious proof.
 
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The girl bike-rider's reaction, (the one with eyes on her helmut at the 2:50 mark), when she discovers it as being a miserable failure, is totally priceless! :D
Whilst I can confirm that the fake eyes definitely don't work, I've found that they won't attack if one keeps a fixed eye lock on them .. even if it means having to walk backwards in a retreat situation (gotta be careful not to fall down a hole etc in that scenario, too). Interestingly, that same eye lock can really cause trouble with other species like aggressive dogs, where it has the opposite effect.
The fixed eye tactic also works on the second most venomous snake on the planet the Eastern Brown snake.
They hibernate and breed under the concrete slab of my house and come out to sunbake on the verandah.
You can engage in an in eye staring contest at a relatively close distance for minutes and the snake remains motionless.
Turn your back slowly and they slither away.
The key is no sudden movements which could startle the snake when they can be dangerous; if they flatten their necks you are potential trouble.

Their attack behaviour is very interesting.
Because the Eastern Brown Snake can cope and even thrive in areas of human disturbance, and its natural range happens to include some of the most populated parts of the country, this species is probably encountered more than any other type of snake. Being an alert, nervous species they often react defensively if surprised or cornered, putting on a fierce display and striking with little hesitation. However, if approached over a distance, they will usually choose to flee or else remain stationary, hoping to avoid detection. The approach distance tolerated before the snake flees is temperature dependent - snakes with a body temperature of < 24º C allow significantly closer approach than do snakes with a body temperature > 24º C. When confronted by an intruder, the Eastern Brown displays one of two forms of threat. In the mild threat, the snake raises the head and anterior part of the body slightly off and parallel to the ground, with the neck spread laterally and slightly hooked but the mouth closed. In this posture, the snake faces the threat side on. If issuing a strong threat, the snake raises the anterior part of the body well off the ground in an s-shaped coil and with the mouth slightly open, ready to strike - in this posture, the snake faces the threat more squarely. Strikes delivered from this posture are slower but more accurate that strikes delivered from other postures. The common feature of both displays is the spreading of the neck, and this behaviour precedes most bites.
 
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The fixed eye tactic also works on the second most venomous snake on the planet the Eastern Brown snake.
They hibernate and breed under the concrete slab of my house and come out to sunbake on the verandah.
You can engage in an in eye staring contest at a relatively close distance for minutes and the snake remains motionless.
Turn your back slowly and they slither away.
The key is no sudden movements which could startle the snake when they can be dangerous; if they flatten their necks you are potential trouble.

Their attack behaviour is very interesting.
Useful info there! (Thanks!)

I encountered one (at least I think it was one) about a month ago. It was coiled up sunning itself, I think(?) Very surreal experience for me, as I only caught a glimpse of it a couple of feet in front of me (I was in open bushland). All I saw was a kind of (very) matt brown, sort of dusty looking coiled looking object in my intended line .. it didn't even register with me as being a snake .. until it took off .. like a rocket! Never seen one move that fast! It only had a very small diameter too, like maybe a middile finger diameter .. perhaps a juvenile brown(?)
Got my heart racing when I realised what it was! Never seen a snake without a shiny skin surface like that before, either(?)

Could have been a legless lizard but unlikely .. I doubt they coil themselves up like that(?)
 
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