Could it be gravity?

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I'm new but I want to present my theory about how creation happened. I studied physics in college, I did not graduate I was a year short. Instead I joined the military. However, I completed most the classes. Here's my take on how creation happened;

I think at the quantum level Einstein was wrong. No I'm not claiming to be smarter than Einstein. But I think there is no such thing as Spacetime, I think the fabric of space is gravity.

1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Let's keep in mind that God is describing the why of creation rather than the how of creation and it is recorded in a poetic prose. If we see the "face of the deep" and the "face of the waters" as the substance that God used to "speak" the universe and everything in it into existence as we know it, then what is "the deep" and "the water"

To date Quantum Gravity has not been defined. I believe it is the strings in Michio Kaku and Brian Green's string theory. If gravity is the one-dimensional strings, then it would be the underlying fabric of everything. There are two fundamental properties that make up everything waves and spins. If gravity are these strings and oscillating as a wave and you place a force tensor where waves meet you can create spins. With that you have the two fundamental properties of the world as we know it. So when God "spoke" was he modulating quantum gravity in order to create the universe?

There are many features of this that I feel explain our universe more succinctly. I'll be glad to discuss should anyone be interested.
 
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I'm new but I want to present my theory about how creation happened. I studied physics in college, I did not graduate I was a year short. Instead I joined the military. However, I completed most the classes. Here's my take on how creation happened;

I think at the quantum level Einstein was wrong. No I'm not claiming to be smarter than Einstein. But I think there is no such thing as Spacetime, I think the fabric of space is gravity.

1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Let's keep in mind that God is describing the why of creation rather than the how of creation and it is recorded in a poetic prose. If we see the "face of the deep" and the "face of the waters" as the substance that God used to "speak" the universe and everything in it into existence as we know it, then what is "the deep" and "the water"

To date Quantum Gravity has not been defined. I believe it is the strings in Michio Kaku and Brian Green's string theory. If gravity is the one-dimensional strings, then it would be the underlying fabric of everything. There are two fundamental properties that make up everything waves and spins. If gravity are these strings and oscillating as a wave and you place a force tensor where waves meet you can create spins. With that you have the two fundamental properties of the world as we know it. So when God "spoke" was he modulating quantum gravity in order to create the universe?

There are many features of this that I feel explain our universe more succinctly. I'll be glad to discuss should anyone be interested.
Myself I'm reticent to spend any time harmonizing or connecting scripture with science - as you've said yourself Genesis is a "why" more than a "how", and it's a category error to delve too deeply here.

Now, I'm all for science doing what it does (albeit ethically, and it'd be nice if maybe there was some sort of general aim towards pragmatic relevancy or application) and the majority of my life was lived as a secular scientist. But even before my conversion I took much of "esoteric cosmology" (string theory, quantum cosmology, multiverses) with a huge grain of salt. As a Christian it's much more clear to me that these branches of exploration stray dangerously close to something akin to "secular wish-fulfillment idolatry" - i.e. a deepening understanding of the improbability and magnificence of the created order is forcing scientists into carving their own little frog-idols of mathematical weirdness to make sense of things and, unfortunately, to be danced around and worshipped by the light of solar-cell Tiki torches.
 
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Could it be gravity?

Not remotely.

Gravity is easily proven to be a false concept.

The law that dictates bodies rising or falling is the law of density.

Again, easily proven.

Less dense bodies rise, or fall much slower; like a leaf or feather. More dense bodies fall faster; like a stone.
 
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Gravity is easily proven to be a false concept.

The law that dictates bodies rising or falling is the law of density.

I like this explanation


"Time, time time... see what's become of me..."

 
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then what is "the deep" and "the water"
The earth was covered with water, at times frozen water or ice. The deep is the bottom of the ocean where the sun does not shine. That is why is was "dark". Water tends to distort the light. This makes underwater photography difficult. Although there is an eye doctor in NYC that became a photographer and he is pretty good at underwater photography. The surface of the water is just that. The surface of the earth is where we mostly life, exit and have our being.
Gravity is easily proven to be a false concept.
Then how is Musk able to land a rocket? It takes math to do that and he is able to get that math to work pretty well if he can do what he does. We need to function in the real world and we need formulas that works. Taking sugar pills has some value but the FDA requires you to show that your cure goes beyond the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. You have to show results. Although they are good at tampering with the evidence to make it look like the cure is more effective than a placebo when really it isn't.

I was a carpenter and people trusted me to do what I said I would and could do. It was always a good idea to go the second mile and do above and beyond what they expected of me to be sure they were happy with the work I did. People can create fancy ideas in their heads, but they can not always get them to work in the real world. Although they use to say what the mind can conceive the body can achieve.
 
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So when God "spoke" was he modulating quantum gravity in order to create the universe?
When God spoke fact into being, he CREATED it. Quantum gravity is just a description, and incomplete, as you indicated; there was no reality but God himself, "prior" (a word by our temporal minds). And even then, God is not subject to reality, but rather, he defines it. It depends (hangs) on him.

I'm not saying that we must search out all things that are beyond us to understand, and I think you would agree that all our curiosity, epiphanies and intuitions should be taken skeptically, but we have a problem with "explanation" —particularly when it is our own— we like it too much!

We see everything backwards. To God, it is not the quantity of detail that explains reality. The quantity of detail is a result of our temporal, limited, point-of-view.
 
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Could it be gravity?

Not remotely.

Gravity is easily proven to be a false concept.

The law that dictates bodies rising or falling is the law of density.

Again, easily proven.

Less dense bodies rise, or fall much slower; like a leaf or feather. More dense bodies fall faster; like a stone.
Quantum Gravity
 
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The earth was covered with water, at times frozen water or ice. The deep is the bottom of the ocean where the sun does not shine. That is why is was "dark". Water tends to distort the light. This makes underwater photography difficult. Although there is an eye doctor in NYC that became a photographer and he is pretty good at underwater photography. The surface of the water is just that. The surface of the earth is where we mostly life, exit and have our being.

Then how is Musk able to land a rocket? It takes math to do that and he is able to get that math to work pretty well if he can do what he does. We need to function in the real world and we need formulas that works. Taking sugar pills has some value but the FDA requires you to show that your cure goes beyond the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. You have to show results. Although they are good at tampering with the evidence to make it look like the cure is more effective than a placebo when really it isn't.

I was a carpenter and people trusted me to do what I said I would and could do. It was always a good idea to go the second mile and do above and beyond what they expected of me to be sure they were happy with the work I did. People can create fancy ideas in their heads, but they can not always get them to work in the real world. Although they use to say what the mind can conceive the body can achieve.
Nay, the deep was the beginning universe incased in a cloud of hydrogen that even light couldn't escape. until the little green pea galaxies broke through it.

Galaxies shed hydrogen and oxygen, those are the signatures of a galaxy.
 
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