Responding to Credobaptist Proof Texts: Infants can't repent, therefore should not be baptized.

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PRINCIPLE HERMENUETIC: An absolute inability to perform any command from scripture absolves a person from the obligation to perform it. Any passage of scripture, requiring a qualification or action of which children are incapable is to be interpreted as pertaining to adults.

Hermenuetical Text: II Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

In I Thessalonians certain people got the idea that the Second Coming was around the corner so they stopped working, insisting other Christians support them. Then Paul writes them this second letter to reminding them “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

This passage only refers to adults. Infants don’t work nor can they. What about the infirmed, aged, mentally disabled? These inabilities need to be remedied if you apply this passage to all. God does not require impossibilities. Helping widows, giving alms, feeding the poor, preaching the word, defending the faith studying scripture do not apply to infants.

Paul’s words there are only for adults, and they are only for able-bodied adults who could work but refuse.

An absolute inability to perform any command from scripture absolves a person from the obligation to perform it. Thus a blind man is not bound to read the gospel, nor deaf man to hear the gospel preached, nor an insane person from understanding it. God does not require impossibilities.

“Repent and be baptized” is only addressed to sinful adults. And you can’t bring children into these passages who are not addressed. Had Jesus expected children to repent and be converted, He would have addressed them as He did His adult audience. There is no expressed command for infants to repent.

The Bible was not written to infants and is therefore not going to direct them to do anything. They are under the care of their Christian parents and pastors who can repent, hear, understand, and believe, teach and confess the faith.

Additionally, there is an important distinction to be made between baptizing an infant and an adult believer---one has the need to repent, the other does not. Failure for infants to have intricate knowledge of the Atonement is no more a barrier to baptism than to their future repentance. Furthermore, adults do need to repent, but repentance is not a one time act...what infants and adults have in common is their future repentance.

However, infants have one advantage over unbelieving adults. Infants do not yet have a rebellious reason! Scripture teaches that we are conceived in sin and if we grow up as unbelievers we develop a conscious reason that is hostile to the Gospel. So, unlike infants who are in a position to receive the Gospel, adults need to have their reason humbled through the preaching of God’s Word. Adults must become like “little children” or “spiritual infants” before they can receive Holy Baptism. Infants oppose no emotional, intellectual or willful hindrance to baptism.

I got this analogy somewhere. Unbelieving infants are like a plowed field. They do not have the “seed of life” but they are in a position to receive it. In contrast, unbelieving older children and adults are like a field with hard soil (covered by weeds and rocks) that needs to be broken up and cleared out before it can receive the “seed of life.” This explains why infants are baptized and then taught, whereas older children and adults are taught and then Baptized.

Under the New Testament, little children are introduced into the Kingdom of Heaven by baptism, because there is no hindrance to the gracious operation of the Holy Spirit. The administration of adult baptism requires a removal of a hindrance for its effectiveness, the natural will, which is hostile to God, and resists His grace, must be subdued in repentance as a preliminary to being baptized. Infant resistance to God’s grace is impossible, because the infant has not the mental qualification for rejecting the offered grace.

In this sense infant baptism is not only believers baptism, but the highest form of believers baptism
 

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PRINCIPLE HERMENUETIC: An absolute inability to perform any command from scripture absolves a person from the obligation to perform it. Any passage of scripture, requiring a qualification or action of which children are incapable is to be interpreted as pertaining to adults.

Hermenuetical Text: II Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

In I Thessalonians, certain people got the idea that the Second Coming was around the corner so they stopped working, insisting other Christians support them. Then Paul writes them this second letter to reminding them “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

This passage only refers to adults. Infants don’t work nor can they. What about the infirmed, aged, mentally disabled? These inabilities need to be remedied if you apply this passage to all. God does not require impossibilities. Helping widows, giving alms, feeding the poor, preaching the word, defending the faith, studying scripture do not apply to infants.

Paul’s words there are only for adults, and they are only for able-bodied adults who could work but refuse.

An absolute inability to perform any command from scripture absolves a person from the obligation to perform it. Thus a blind man is not bound to read the gospel, nor deaf man to hear the gospel preached, nor an insane person from understanding it. God does not require impossibilities.

“Repent and be baptized” is only addressed to sinful adults. And you can’t bring children into these passages who are not addressed. Had Jesus expected children to repent and be converted, He would have addressed them as He did His adult audience. There is no expressed command for infants to repent.

The Bible was not written to infants and is therefore not going to direct them to do anything. They are under the care of their Christian parents and pastors who can repent, hear, understand, and believe, teach and confess the faith.

Additionally, there is an important distinction to be made between baptizing an infant and an adult believer---one has the need to repent, the other does not. Failure for infants to have intricate knowledge of the Atonement is no more a barrier to baptism than to their future repentance. Furthermore, adults do need to repent, but repentance is not a one time act...what infants and adults have in common is their future repentance.

However, infants have one advantage over unbelieving adults. Infants do not yet have a rebellious reason! Scripture teaches that we are conceived in sin and if we grow up as unbelievers we develop a conscious reason that is hostile to the Gospel. So, unlike infants who are in a position to receive the Gospel, adults need to have their reason humbled through the preaching of God’s Word. Adults must become like “little children” or “spiritual infants” before they can receive Holy Baptism. Infants oppose no emotional, intellectual or willful hindrance to baptism.

I got this analogy somewhere. Unbelieving infants are like a plowed field. They do not have the “seed of life” but they are in a position to receive it. In contrast, unbelieving older children and adults are like a field with hard soil (covered by weeds and rocks) that needs to be broken up and cleared out before it can receive the “seed of life.” This explains why infants are baptized and then taught, whereas older children and adults are taught and then Baptized.

Under the New Testament, little children are introduced into the Kingdom of Heaven by baptism, because there is no hindrance to the gracious operation of the Holy Spirit. The administration of adult baptism requires a removal of a hindrance for its effectiveness, the natural will, which is hostile to God, and resists His grace, must be subdued in repentance as a preliminary to being baptized. Infant resistance to God’s grace is impossible, because the infant has not the mental qualification for rejecting the offered grace.

In this sense infant baptism is not only believers baptism, but the highest form of believers baptism

What is the relationship between the ordinance of baptism and the new covenant?
 
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What is the relationship between the ordinance of baptism and the new covenant?

For an adult, it is through baptism that we receive forgiveness of previous sins. And then through chrismation the gift of the Holy Spirit. For a child, baptism imparts grace and brings the child into the Church. Jesus said:

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

Later Peter said:

Act 2:39 “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
 
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What is the relationship between the ordinance of baptism and the new covenant?
It is the sign of the covenant, and you enter the covenant by faith in Jesus Christ, not by birth, a in the Old Covenant.
 
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PRINCIPLE HERMENUETIC: An absolute inability to perform any command from scripture absolves a person from the obligation to perform it.

More specifically - absolute inability to understand any concept in scripture releases a person from obligation to it "To he who knows to DO RIGHT and does it not - to him it is sin". James 4:17.

The inability to be convicted of sin - means no conviction of sin.

There is no such thing as a "believer" in the Biblical context who "is not capable of believing in anything".

In this sense infant baptism is not only believers baptism, but the highest form of believers baptism

That is extreme inference -- not a Bible quote

Eisegesis is pouring one's own preference into texts that say nothing of the kind.
 
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For a child, baptism imparts grace and brings the child into the Church. Jesus said:

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

No child in Matt 19 is being baptized... that is a detail you do not deal with at all.

The text does not say "forbid them not to be baptized" -- baptism is not even a topic in Matt 19.
 
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What is the relationship between the ordinance of baptism and the new covenant?

Rom 2 says that spiritual equivalent of circumcision is the New Birth... the one who "Believes and is baptized" is saved.

Mark 16: 16 The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved; but the one who has not believed will be condemned.

The one who has not believed -- is the one who in the context of Mark 16:15-16 refuses the gospel.

15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved; but the one who has not believed will be condemned.

The one in vs 16 who has not believed - is the one to whom the gospel was preached and the intelligent response of the one capable of understanding is to refuse it...in that case they are condemned.
 
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What is the relationship between the ordinance of baptism and the new covenant?
Therein lies the true difference between a Paedobaptists and a Credobaptist. If one approaches scripture through the lens of “baptism” as entrance into the covenant family (like circumcision of the OT), then one must reach the Paedobaptist conclusion and welcome infants into the community. If one approaches scripture through the lens of “baptism” as rebirth into the body of Christ (per Ephesians 2:1-10), then one must reach the Credobaptist conclusion and welcome only “believers” into the new life in the body of Christ.

So the conclusion is reached before the first argument is made. What IS “baptism”? What IS the New Covenant and the Church? Is it a renewal and purified version of the old, or is it some completely new thing?
 
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For an adult, it is through baptism that we receive forgiveness of previous sins. And then through chrismation the gift of the Holy Spirit. For a child, baptism imparts grace and brings the child into the Church. Jesus said:

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

Later Peter said:

Act 2:39 “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Do you believe that Christ's forgiveness for sins can only be received through baptism?
 
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Do you believe that Christ's forgiveness for sins can only be received through baptism?

That is the prescribed way an adult convert receives forgiveness of previous sins. If it was not we wouldn't be told that it is.
 
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That is the prescribed way an adult convert receives forgiveness of previous sins. If it was not we wouldn't be told that it is.
Is it possible that they were just as fallible as we are today and could be wrong about this?
 
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Is it possible that they were just as fallible as we are today and could be wrong about this?

No. I don't think that is something they would have been wrong about. And there is no reason to believe that they were.
 
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Is it possible that they were just as fallible as we are today and could be wrong about this?
God is able to save anyone He wills by whatever means He deems fit, but we do not build theology on exceptions to the rule we have been given. Salvation comes through becoming a member of Christ's body, the Church, and the proscribed means of entry into the Church are through the threefold sacraments of Baptism, Chrismation and Holy Communion. There are many exceptions recorded beginning with the theif on the cross, but they are not the rule.
 
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However, infants have one advantage over unbelieving adults. Infants do not yet have a rebellious reason!
Do you actually HAVE any children?

I ask this because it contradicts all empirical evidence gained during parenting. For example, your child probably learned everything they know from its parents up until the age of two, so when did you teach your children to lie? To stand there with cookie crumbs smeared across their face and say "no" when asked if they took a cookie from the jar. When did you teach your children to hit another child with a toy or to throw food on the floor in a tantrum when they were over tired?

Rebellion comes naturally to the human species. That is why we teach our children to share.
 
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For an adult, it is through baptism that we receive forgiveness of previous sins. And then through chrismation the gift of the Holy Spirit. For a child, baptism imparts grace and brings the child into the Church. Jesus said:

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

Later Peter said:

Act 2:39 “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
If you are going to combine these two thoughts:
  • "For a child, baptism imparts grace and brings the child into the Church."
  • Act 2:39 “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Are you REALLY prepared to embrace what you are teaching and its consequences?
I was a sinner who needed to repent and be baptized to be saved. So the promise was for me.
According to Jesus, the "promise" is for my children and all who are far off.
According to some Paedobaptists, like you, that entitles my infant daughter to "baptism and salvation" (without the need for repentance).
However, Jesus SAID "and to all who are afar off" ... so why should the "baptism and pre-salvation" apply only to my daughter? By combining that teaching with those words from Jesus, does the infant baptism of my Daughter not also save all of her yet unborn children and grandchildren ... all who are far off? They should not even need "infant baptism" if they do not need "infant repentance". You have applied the INDIVIDUAL SALVATION promised to me as a salvation to all who are to come.

I would be more comfortable with far more explicit teaching if one wants to advocate that infants are saved without repentance by the promise of Acts 2:39. As I see it, my daughter, her children, her grandchildren and "all who are far off" are promised access to the same saving grace (repent and be baptized) that was promised to me (who is already "one who is far off" from the Jews gathered at Pentecost).
YMMV
 
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God is able to save anyone He wills by whatever means He deems fit, but we do not build theology on exceptions to the rule we have been given. Salvation comes through becoming a member of Christ's body, the Church, and the proscribed means of entry into the Church are through the threefold sacraments of Baptism, Chrismation and Holy Communion. There are many exceptions recorded beginning with the theif on the cross, but they are not the rule.
Well said.
Just for the benefit of this ignorant Particular Baptist, are there any examples of "the rule" recorded in Scripture?
  • Baptism
  • Chrismation
  • Holy Communion
 
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Do you believe that Christ's forgiveness for sins can only be received through baptism?
I think that is a trick question. :)

Baptism is essential (John 3:4-8) (John 6:44-45).
Water is optional (Luke 23:42-43).

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 [NASB20]
For just as the body is one and yet has many parts, and all the parts of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
 
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