FBI raid Mar-A-Lago

The Barbarian said:

Depends on whether or not you think that making sure we didn't have a war with China was helping our enemies. Milley did his job and did it well.

Treason would be attempting to overthrow the Constitution or aid its enemies.

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Treason would be attempting to overthrow the Constitution or aid its enemies.

BPPLEE said:

Treason would be attempting to overthrow the Constitution or aid its enemies.

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We are not at war with the Chinese, nor are we and they trying to harm each other. And it seems to me that convincing the Chinese that the turmoil in our executive branch does not mean that the U.S. military will tolerate an unprovoked attack on China is something that aids the United States.

Why wouldn't it be? If it happens to let them sleep at night during the crisis instead of putting their forces on alert, so much the better for us.

The first call was prompted by Milley’s review of intelligence suggesting the Chinese believed the United States was preparing to attack. That belief, the authors write, was based on tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea, and deepened by Trump’s belligerent rhetoric toward China.


“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”
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In the second call, placed to address Chinese fears about the events of Jan. 6, Li wasn’t as easily assuaged, even after Milley promised him, “We are 100 percent steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes.”….

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Milley also summoned senior officers to review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order — but, crucially, that he, Milley, also had to be involved. Looking each in the eye, Milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood, the authors write, in what he considered an “oath.”…

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The chairman knew that he was “pulling a Schlesinger,” the authors write, resorting to measures resembling the ones taken in August 1974 by James R. Schlesinger, the secretary of defense at the time. Schlesinger told military officials to check with him and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs before carrying out orders from President Richard M. Nixon, who was facing impeachment at the time.
Top Pentagon General called the Chinese worried about President Trump going to War…..

In the earlier case, Nixon was nearly as agitated as Trump, to the point that like Trump, his own staff began to worry about him.

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The Barbarian said:

If you think of an election as a coup, you're listening to the wrong people. And even Trump people have admitted that the election was fair not rigged. Trump's own daughter tried to reason with him, but he wasn't going to listen.

Casting doubts on claims made by her father, Donald Trump, that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, former White House advisor Ivanka told a congressional hearing on the US Capitol riot she doesn't believe his contention the polls were rigged.


A recording of Ivanka Trump’s deposition was shown to the public for the first time during the first hearing of the House panel where she disputed her father’s claims.


In her testimony, Ivanka explains how she accepted Attorney General Bill Barr’s assertion that the election had been fair and free of fraud.


“I respected AG Barr, and accepted what he was saying,” she said.


Ivanka was referring to Barr’s appearance before panel investigators, where, in the video, he was heard saying that his justice department had discovered no significant fraud to support Donald Trump’s claim of massive voter fraud in several key states.
Ivanka Trump disputes her father’s claim that 2020 presidential election was rigged

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Well now that is convincing? Barr said it can't be so, Ivanka said it can't be so , the MSM said it can't be so, Biden said it can't be so, many Dems and Republicans in the swamp said it can't be so

BUT FACTS say it can and was! Not one of which was addressed in your post. Video surveillance, more voters counted than registered, massive dumps of mail in ballots, the closing of polls when Trump was way ahead to count the votes that put Biden ahead under cover of darkness with no Republican poll watchers allowed in, dead people voting, thousands out for Trump rallies with Biden hiding in his basement hardly able to fill a small diner with supporters, illegals voting and on and on and on. Yes facts say it was so.

The liberal method of demonizing those who do not jump in line with the accepted narrative is a tired and boring tactic.

Biden is a fraud, the election was stolen and at some point this will all be rectified or we can all kiss our Republic goodbye. I dare anyone who disputes this to watch the movie 2000 mules and honestly deal with and address the facts of the case without the normal liberal response of character assignation, gas lighting and never addressing one single fact. May God bless America once again. Wake up America your country is being stolen from you while many sleep and slumber.

Many Christians who support this madness should ask themselves. Did Trumps tweets so offend you that you can now accept pro abortion leaders, the sexualization of our children, corruption in the Oval Office (the big man), demonization of our brave policeman, unequal justice, a corrupt FBI, a corrupt DOJ, 87,000 new IRS agents with guns to keep you in line, run away inflation, shortages on every hand. MAY God help us out of this madness.

The Barbarian said:

They could have been lizard men sent by Queen Elizabeth. But what matters is evidence. There was one black guy, who someone said was a BLM member. Doesn't seem like it changes much, does it?

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Yes evidence matters why no comment on the video of Capitol police allowing protesters in with no concern or resistance. This was staged and was no coup attempt. The Jan 6 hearings are a farce and a show trial with one goal "stop Trump". Tell me how did all of the other attempts to bury Trump work out?????

The Barbarian said:

Depends on whether or not you think that making sure we didn't have a war with China was helping our enemies. Milley did his job and did it well.

Treason would be attempting to overthrow the Constitution or aid its enemies.

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The Barbarian said:

Treason would be attempting to overthrow the Constitution or aid its enemies.

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This is happening every day under our noses by liberal politicians and unelected officials.

Postvieww said:

This is happening every day under our noses by liberal politicians and unelected officials.

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Was happening, Postvieww. Was happening. But they failed.

Postvieww said:

Yes evidence matters why no comment on the video of Capitol police allowing protesters in with no concern or resistance.

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Well, that's a testable claim. Let's take a look...

New video shows brutal beating of D.C. Metropolitan Police officer during Jan. 6 riot
As Officer Michael Fanone screamed in agony, one rioter's voice could be heard over the noise: "I got one!"
New video shows brutal beating of D.C. Metropolitan Police officer during Jan. 6 riot

During the violent riot at the U.S. Capitol last Wednesday, a mob of Trump supporters breached security and entered the building as members of Congress were gathered inside. One officer was seen risking his life to divert an angry mob away from the Senate chamber, leading the group in the opposite direction at a crucial moment when the lawmakers were not yet safely locked down.
Black officer seen risking his life to lead Capitol mob away from Senate chamber hailed as a hero

Sorry, your story just won't fit the evidence. Capitol police testified about what happened in the coup attempt, and it's not the way you tell it.

Postvieww said:

Well now that is convincing? Barr said it can't be so, Ivanka said it can't be so , the MSM said it can't be so, Biden said it can't be so, many Dems and Republicans in the swamp said it can't be so

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His own people told him. His own family told him. At some point, "they are all lying, all of them!!" just doesn't work anymore. It's time to face the facts.

Postvieww said:

BUT FACTS say it can and was! Not one of which was addressed in your post. Video surveillance, more voters counted than registered, massive dumps of mail in ballots, the closing of polls when Trump was way ahead to count the votes that put Biden ahead under cover of darkness with no Republican poll watchers allowed in, dead people voting, thousands out for Trump rallies with Biden hiding in his basement hardly able to fill a small diner with supporters, illegals voting and on and on and on. Yes facts say it was so.

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Your problem is you don't have evidence for that. In fact we do have some evidence of fraud. But it's almost entirely by Trump supporters. Trump, for example won the dead person vote by a landslide. Would you like to see that? Find a way to accept the truth and move on.

Postvieww said:

Biden is a fraud, the election was stolen and at some point....

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Every single one of the so-called "proofs" of a stolen election have been debunked. Every...single....one. I watched with special interest the so-called mathematical proofs using (or more precisely, mis-using) principles of statistics to show the improbability of the outcomes. Having a mathematics background I was able to see the gaping holes in those proofs. The only support this lie gets today is constant repetition, as if the lie becomes more plausible the more it is said. This lie is at the heart of the Jan. 6th insurrection that Trump inspired, because he used it many times in his speeches.

BPPLEE said:

You have to be able to stay on the bicycle.

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Which is why Trump doesn't bike. And why Biden does. That simple.

LeafByNiggle said:

This lie is at the heart of the Jan. 6th insurrection that Trump inspired, because he used it many times in his speeches.

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As Trump once said, if you repeat it often enough, some people will believe it. We all knew that there was no way for Donald Trump to admit losing. His mind just can't process that kind of thing.

The Barbarian said:

Your problem is you don't have evidence for that. In fact we do have some evidence of fraud. But it's almost entirely by Trump supporters. Trump, for example won the dead person vote by a landslide. Would you like to see that? Find a way to accept the truth and move on.

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You said :"Your problem is you don't have evidence for that."
You did not address any of the facts laid out int he post!
"In fact we do have some evidence of fraud."
Partially true, but it was massive. Address the specific points.
"But it's almost entirely by Trump supporters."
Where is your evidence? I would say that is entirely a biased opinion.
"Trump, for example won the dead person vote by a landslide. Would you like to see that? "
Sure, if you look at the complied video , witness testimony, and statistical evidence that says a Biden victory was impossible. Watch the movie 2000 Mules then get back to me if you are unwilling to look at facts and evidence your words ring hollow. What about the mail in votes dumped by massive amounts into drop boxes with the "mules" tracked by GPS for multiple drops.
"Find a way to accept the truth and move on."
You ignore truth and facts by ducking them.

The Barbarian said:

Which is why Trump doesn't bike. And why Biden does. That simple.

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We have video evidence that shows Biden cannot always stay on a bike, especially when it stops.

Postvieww said:

You said :"Your problem is you don't have evidence for that."
You did not address any of the facts laid out int he post!

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Show us some evidence, and we'll talk. Otherwise, you're just parroting stories you heard. Let's take a look at the fraud cases we actually can prove...

Lewandowski pointed to an obituary for Denise Ondick of West Homestead in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, who died on Oct. 22. According to online records from the Pennsylvania Department of State, election officials received her application for a mail-in ballot on Oct. 23, and sent her a ballot the following day. Those records also show that her ballot was then received back by the county on Nov. 2, and that her vote was recorded.


The Philadelphia Inquirer got ahold of Ondick’s daughter, who said she helped her mother fill out an application for a mail-in ballot in early October, before she died of cancer. The daughter told the Inquirer she could not explain why the ballot had been sent in after her mother’s death, and that her father, Ondick’s husband, could not recall if he did anything with the ballot. The daughter said her mother had planned to vote for Trump.
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In October, a Luzerne County man — a registered Republican — was charged with felonies after trying to apply for a mail-in ballot in his dead mother’s name.
Thin Allegations of 'Dead People' Voting - FactCheck.org

• Bruce Bartman, a 70-year-old from Delaware County, Pennsylvania, has been charged with voter fraud.
  
• He pretended to be his dead mom to vote for President Donald Trump in the 2020 election and registered his dead mother-in-law to vote, prosecutors said.
  
• Prosecutors said it was the only voter-fraud case they found after hundreds of tips.
  Officials finally found a case of a dead person voting, accusing a Republican of pretending to be his dead mom to vote for Trump

Georgia officials find a pro-GOP ballot was cast by a dead voter
Georgia officials find a pro-GOP ballot was cast by a dead voter

About a month later, Edward Snodgrass, a local Republican official in Ohio, admitted to forging his dead father's signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself. NBC News noted at the time that Snodgrass struck a deal with prosecutors and was sentenced to three days in jail and a $500 fine.
Another GOP voter caught casting a ballot for a dead relative

Donald Kirk Hartle, a 55-year-old Republican voter who publicly protested a 2020 ballot being cast in his dead wife's name, has been charged with voter fraud.

The Nevada Republican Party and other conservative groups cited Hartle's claim as proof of "widespread" voter fraud hyped by then-President Donald Trump. However, Nevada prosecutors now say that Hartle himself submitted the fraudulent ballot under his dead wife's name.
Nevada man who claimed someone voted as his dead wife charged with voter fraud

So as you see, Trump had the dead voter vote sewn up. But as you see, voter fraud just isn't enough to swing elections, in most cases.

BPPLEE said:

We have video evidence that shows Biden cannot always stay on a bike, especially when it stops.

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I usually get off my bike when I stop, too. I've seen other bikers get their foot caught on the pedal and fall, but I've never done that myself. It's not much of a concern; it's when you're moving ten miles an hour or more, and fall, that people can get hurt.

Trump, who has trouble walking down a ramp, and sometimes needs both hands to bring a water glass to his mouth, probably shouldn't be riding a bike.

The Barbarian said:

Show us some evidence, and we'll talk. Otherwise, you're just parroting stories you heard. Let's take a look at the fraud cases we actually can prove...

Lewandowski pointed to an obituary for Denise Ondick of West Homestead in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, who died on Oct. 22. According to online records from the Pennsylvania Department of State, election officials received her application for a mail-in ballot on Oct. 23, and sent her a ballot the following day. Those records also show that her ballot was then received back by the county on Nov. 2, and that her vote was recorded.


The Philadelphia Inquirer got ahold of Ondick’s daughter, who said she helped her mother fill out an application for a mail-in ballot in early October, before she died of cancer. The daughter told the Inquirer she could not explain why the ballot had been sent in after her mother’s death, and that her father, Ondick’s husband, could not recall if he did anything with the ballot. The daughter said her mother had planned to vote for Trump.
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In October, a Luzerne County man — a registered Republican — was charged with felonies after trying to apply for a mail-in ballot in his dead mother’s name.
Thin Allegations of 'Dead People' Voting - FactCheck.org

• Bruce Bartman, a 70-year-old from Delaware County, Pennsylvania, has been charged with voter fraud.
• He pretended to be his dead mom to vote for President Donald Trump in the 2020 election and registered his dead mother-in-law to vote, prosecutors said.
• Prosecutors said it was the only voter-fraud case they found after hundreds of tips.
  Officials finally found a case of a dead person voting, accusing a Republican of pretending to be his dead mom to vote for Trump

Georgia officials find a pro-GOP ballot was cast by a dead voter
Georgia officials find a pro-GOP ballot was cast by a dead voter

About a month later, Edward Snodgrass, a local Republican official in Ohio, admitted to forging his dead father's signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself. NBC News noted at the time that Snodgrass struck a deal with prosecutors and was sentenced to three days in jail and a $500 fine.
Another GOP voter caught casting a ballot for a dead relative

Donald Kirk Hartle, a 55-year-old Republican voter who publicly protested a 2020 ballot being cast in his dead wife's name, has been charged with voter fraud.

The Nevada Republican Party and other conservative groups cited Hartle's claim as proof of "widespread" voter fraud hyped by then-President Donald Trump. However, Nevada prosecutors now say that Hartle himself submitted the fraudulent ballot under his dead wife's name.
Nevada man who claimed someone voted as his dead wife charged with voter fraud

So as you see, Trump had the dead voter vote sewn up. But as you see, voter fraud just isn't enough to swing elections, in most cases.

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I count 5 votes you referenced. If I miss counted please correct me.Trumps plan to win with dead voters failed. One of the 2000 mules tracked probably nullified that with only one trip to a drop box out of many trips. These mules were tracked from Democratic head quarters to multiple drop boxes many on video, and some cameras were conveniently not working.Some vote counts were 90% or more for Biden (if you believe that I have a bridge to sell). Only 2000 of these mules were tracked there were many more. There is video of people admitting to dropping ballots for money. You claim evidence, proof but you really have no interest in that. I have told where you can see it for yourself but it is a lot easier for you to dodge the real issue than to seek out truth for yourself. This election was stolen that is provable but the swamp in Washington is so deep the muck has covered it up and the gullible believe the foxes in the hen house and close their minds to reality.

Yes I believe there has been election fraud on both sides. A republican in NC was caught and convicted. I am sure there have been others. BUT this presidential election is the one in dispute. It cannot be settled one way or the other by closing our eyes to the fact that it is done and done more often we realize.

I have a theory, no I have no video or other evidence, but I believe there was fraud in favor of Hillary but they miscalculated and didn't do enough. My bases for this is early on she was about to pop the cork and was totally shocked to find she had lost. All the talking heads were ready to swear her in believing Trump had no shot.

Postvieww said:

I count 5 votes you referenced. If I miss counted please correct me.Trumps plan to win with dead voters failed. One of the 2000 mules tracked probably nullified that with only one trip to a drop box out of many trips.

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But you can't show any evidence for it? Guess why.

Postvieww said:

Yes I believe there has been election fraud on both sides. A republican in NC was caught and convicted. I am sure there have been others. BUT this presidential election is the one in dispute. It cannot be settled one way or the other by closing our eyes to the fact that it is done and done more often we realize.

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That's your difficulty. You believe it, but you can't produce any evidence for it. Takes more than just "I want it to be true."

Postvieww said:

I have a theory, no I have no video or other evidence,

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No, you have an assumption. A theory is an idea or group of ideas that is supported by evidence. If you could come up with a suitable way to test your assumption, then it would be a hypothesis. And if you then found evidence to confirm your hypothesis, it would be a theory.

That's how it works.

The Barbarian said:

But you can't show any evidence for it? Guess why.



That's your difficulty. You believe it, but you can't produce any evidence for it. Takes more than just "I want it to be true."



No, you have an assumption. A theory is an idea or group of ideas that is supported by evidence. If you could come up with a suitable way to test your assumption, then it would be a hypothesis. And if you then found evidence to confirm your hypothesis, it would be a theory.

That's how it works.

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You want me to spoon feed you evidence when I’ve told you where to get it for yourself. Watch “2000 mules” it is available for all who really care about free and fair elections. I’m sure you can sit in your easy chair by the computer and tell me repeatedly I have no evidence but you don’t want evidence you just want continue down same old duck and dodge road. Watch the movie that documents the evidence you CLAIM you want.

Postvieww said:

You want me to spoon feed you evidence

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I'd just like you to step up and support your claims. The fact that you can't is very revealing..

Postvieww said:

I’ve told you where to get it for yourself

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Sorry not my responsibility. Up to you, if you want anyone to believe you. BTW why would you believe a criminal who was convicted of election crimes, about elections? Sounds pretty gullible to me.

Postvieww said:

I’m sure you can sit in your easy chair by the computer and tell me repeatedly I have no evidence

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If you don't have any, it's easy for me. Everyone notices.

Postvieww said:

Watch the movie

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Sorry, I don't listen to criminals about crime excuses. You shouldn't, either.