I love the Mother of God!

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I love the Theotokos. I have learned to respect her and venerate what she does us and her role with Christ.

Does anyone else feel the same?
Absolutely. At some point I recognised that love for the mother of God was a common thread in the Church. The early Christians who met her would have held her in very high esteem and that has continued throughout the history of the Church
 
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coming from evangelicalism, this is still an area of growth for me.
I trust that "the light shines (goes on shining) in the darkness" John 1:5

As a convert from Lutheran to EO, getting into the "fullness of the faith" takes time.

Ὑπεραγία Θεοτόκε, σῶσον ἡμᾶς.
Most holy Theotokos, save us.
 
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Do you also love your neighbour's mother ?

We certainly should, after all, our neighbor's mother is our neighbor as well.

This thread is discussing that particular affection unique to Christ's mother because she is Christ's mother. Only one woman in history has been so blessed that her Child is God Himself.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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These refrains are sung on the third week of Lent in the Orthodox church during the Salutations service, which this year also happens to fall on the Annunciation. This service is a series of reflections on the Theotokos and are among the most beautiful services during the year.

THIRD WEEK
New creation was shown by the Creator in showing himself unto us whom He created, sprouting up from an unseeded womb, while preserving it just as it was, inviolate, so that beholding the miracle we might extol her, exclaiming:

Rejoice, O flower of incorruptness.
Rejoice, O crown of laurel for continence.
Rejoice, for in you resurrection is typified.
Rejoice, for angelical life you exemplified.
Rejoice, fertile tree with luscious fruit, by which believers are sustained.
Rejoice, foliaged tree beneath which are many sheltered in its shade.
Rejoice, for you were pregnant with the Guide for the errant.
Rejoice, for of the Freer of captives you are the parent.
Rejoice, who plead till the just Judge surrenders.
Rejoice, forgiveness for many offenders.
Rejoice, the vesture of those stripped of confidence.
Rejoice, the tender love that conquers every longing.
Rejoice, O unwedded Bride.

On seeing the strange childbirth, let’s be estranged from the mundane, transporting our mind unto heaven. For this purpose the supernal God as a humble human being appeared down on earth, intending to attract unto the summit those who cry out to Him, Alleluia.

Present below completely and above nowise absent was the uncircumscribable Logos. For it was no migration through space, but divine condescension that had taken place, and childbirth from a God-possessed Virgin who hears this that follows:

Rejoice, the uncontainable God’s container.
Rejoice, the magnificent mystery’s doorway.
Rejoice, for unbelievers a doubtful story.
Rejoice, for the believers the doubtless glory.
Rejoice, all-holy vehicle of Him who rides the Cherubim.
Rejoice, exquisite domicile20 of Him who mounts the Seraphim.
Rejoice, who integrate in yourself a contradiction.
Rejoice, who incorporate both virginity and parturition.
Rejoice, through whom the trespass was nullified.
Rejoice, through whom was Paradise opened wide.
Rejoice, the opener to Christ’s kingdom.
Rejoice, the hope of eternal blessings.
Rejoice, O unwedded Bride.

Quite amazed by the great deed of Your incarnation was the entire nature of Angels. For the once inaccessible God they beheld accessible to all as a man, with us together sojourning while thusly hearing from everyone: Alleluia.

Richly eloquent rhetors we see speechless as fishes when they contemplate you, O Theotokos. For at a loss are they to explain how you managed childbirth and a virgin yet remain. But we, in marveling at the mystery, cry out with conviction:

Rejoice, God’s Wisdom’s repository.
Rejoice, His providence’s depository.
Rejoice, who prove the philosophers wisdomless.
Rejoice, who reprove the sophists as ridiculous.
Rejoice, for the fierce debaters becoming fools lost their taste.
Rejoice, for the creators of the myths have faded away.
Rejoice, you who rend the webs of the Athenians.
Rejoice, you who fill the nets of the Fishermen.
Rejoice, who drag out from the deep of ignorance.
Rejoice, who illumine many with cognizance.
Rejoice, the barge for those seeking salvation.
Rejoice, the harbor for life’s navigators.
Rejoice, O unwedded Bride.


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I love the Theotokos. I have learned to respect her and venerate what she does us and her role with Christ.

Does anyone else feel the same?
She was blessed among women.
Mary's song;
Luke 1
46 “My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with His arm;
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
And exalted the lowly.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things,
And the rich He has sent away empty.
54 He has helped His servant Israel,
In remembrance of His mercy,
55 As He spoke to our fathers,
To Abraham and to his seed forever.”
 
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prodomos,

re: " The early Christians who met her would have held her in very high esteem..."

Which is more than scripture seems to have the Messiah doing.
I don't see that at all. It seems you would interpret the Gospels as having Christ break the 5th commandment.
And the epistle writers ignore her all together.
She would have had the same attitude John the Forerunner had. "He must increase, I must decrease." For what purpose do you imagine the Apostles would have written about Mary, when their sole purpose was announcing the Good News about Christ?
 
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prodomos,

re: "It seems you would interpret the Gospels as having Christ break the 5th commandment."

Your argument would be with whoever wrote those scriptures.




re: "For what purpose do you imagine the Apostles would have written about Mary, when their sole purpose was announcing the Good News about Christ?"

Their purpose was also to encourage new believers about living in a Christian manner and growing in holiness. Within Catholicism and similar organizations Mary appears to be an integral part of their liturgy while seemingly to be raising her to a level of a fourth member of the Christian hierarchy. It just seems odd that they would completely ignore her if she is to be such an important part of Christian living. You apparently feel otherwise, so to each his own I guess.
 
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I love the Theotokos. I have learned to respect her and venerate what she does us and her role with Christ.

Does anyone else feel the same?
I have never met her. So I guess I love her like I love all of humanity, but not in any particular special sense.
 
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prodomos,

re: "It seems you would interpret the Gospels as having Christ break the 5th commandment."

Your argument would with whoever wrote those scriptures.




re: "For what purpose do you imagine the Apostles would have written about Mary, when their sole purpose was announcing the Good News about Christ?"

Their purpose was also to encourage new believers about living in a Christian manner and growing in holiness. Within Catholicism and similar organizations Mary appears to be an integral part of their liturgy while seemingly to be raising her to a level of a fourth member of the Christian hierarchy. It just seems odd that they would completely ignore her if she is to be such an important part of Christian living. You apparently feel otherwise, so to each his own I guess.
Not true, no one is baptized in the name of Mary, nor do we eat the blood and body of Mary during Communion.

Also, you treat Scripture as if that was the only way people understood the New Testament when they heard it from the Apostles themselves.
 
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prodomos,

re: "It seems you would interpret the Gospels as having Christ break the 5th commandment."

Your argument would with whoever wrote those scriptures.




re: "For what purpose do you imagine the Apostles would have written about Mary, when their sole purpose was announcing the Good News about Christ?"

Their purpose was also to encourage new believers about living in a Christian manner and growing in holiness. Within Catholicism and similar organizations Mary appears to be an integral part of their liturgy while seemingly to be raising her to a level of a fourth member of the Christian hierarchy. It just seems odd that they would completely ignore her if she is to be such an important part of Christian living. You apparently feel otherwise, so to each his own I guess.

It's a false narrative to say the Apostles ignored her. Mary played a part 1/12th of all the Scripture in St. Luke's Gospel, and 1/20th of St. John's Gospel, to name a few. Without the Mother of Jesus Christ your god is not wholly God and wholly man, rather a spirit possessing a body.

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I didn't say that. I said that the epistles don't mention her.
Ok, let me restate my comment. It's a false narrative to say the Apostles didn't mention Mary. You can find "Mary", "the Mother of Jesus" and other similar references throughout the New Testament scripture.

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Ok, let me restate my comment. It's a false narrative to say the Apostles didn't mention Mary.

And I repeat, I never said that they didn't


You can find "Mary", "the Mother of Jesus" and other similar references throughout the New Testament scripture.

Acts 1:14 is the last place where Mary is mentioned - with the exception of Galatians 4:4 which says that the Messiah was "born of a woman".
Within Catholicism and similar organizations Mary appears to be an integral part of their liturgy while seemingly to be raising her at times to a level of a fourth member of the Christian hierarchy. It just seems odd that the epistles would not mention her if she is to be such an important part of Christian living.
 
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