Biden Secretary of Education implicated in comparing parents to domestic terrorists

Valletta said:

A New York mother slammed critical race theory during a recent Carmel Central school district meeting between parents and faculty. “Why cant we let the public know that you're teaching our children to go out and murder our police officers,” said Tatiana Ibrahim . . .

New York mother rips proponents of critical race theory: ‘They’re the racists’ | The Daily Cable Co

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from your link: "“Why cant we let the public know that youre teaching our children to go out and murder our police officers,” said Tatiana Ibrahim as a school administrator attempted to interject. “You want the proof? I have the proof,” she continued."

Of course it should surprise no one that Ms Ibrahim never presented any proof at all. but why mess up a great anti CRT story with facts?

Albion said:

How many remarks given during the time that's aside in School Board meetings for Board members to receive comments and questions from the public should be allowed before a speaker is classified as a domestic terrorist??

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IS detailing how a board members 4 year old daughter will be raped a comment or a question?

see the following post.

SilverBear said:

IS detailing how a board members 4 year old daughter will be raped a comment or a question?

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I'd have to know what was said. You didn't include that information. Also, it's important to understand that if one person makes a threat, that fact does not make every parent a "terrorist."

Albion said:

I'd have to know what was said. You didn't include that information. Also, it's important to understand that if one person makes a threat, that fact does not make every parent a "terrorist."

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No one is saying it does make every parent a terrorist...but you already knew that.


However it does make the person making that threat a domestic terrorist.

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
Definition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information InstituteDefinition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information Institute

SilverBear said:

No one is saying it does make every parent a terrorist...but you already knew that.

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It's not me who's torturing the language in order to promote some purely partisan campaign.

Most significantly perhaps, the National School Boards Assn. that started this thing off by writing a letter to Biden, later apologized following the outrage that ensued over the organization's claims of domestic terrorism. The actual language of the apology was this:

"We wanted to write to you directly to address this matter. On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for the letter...there was no justification for some of the language included in the letter."

Albion said:

How many remarks given during the time that's aside in School Board meetings for Board members to receive comments and questions from the public should be allowed before a speaker is classified as a domestic terrorist??

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That would depend on whether the comments agreed or disagreed with the narrative. Lately it seems that any disagreement with controlled narrative is considered aggression or terrorism. Be it secular or church that has always been considered dictatorial.

SilverBear said:

However it does make the person making that threat a domestic terrorist.

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The church used to call it heretical. Self justification of power used in order to maintain control over dissention of those who dare question authourity, be it right or wrong.

Albion said:

How many remarks given during the time that's aside in School Board meetings for Board members to receive comments and questions from the public should be allowed before a speaker is classified as a domestic terrorist??

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The law says it's at the point that they start following school board members into the parking lot and screaming "we know where you live", "we know you", and "we will find you."

Anti-Maskers Yell Threats After TN School Board Mask Vote
You can find the video on You Tube. Didn't link it because the mob was screaming profanities as well as threats.

These fit the definition of domestic terrorist precisely:
5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
Definition: domestic terrorism from 18 USC § 2331(5) | LII / Legal Information Institute

timothyu said:

That would depend on whether the comments agreed or disagreed with the narrative.

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If by "the narrative" you mean the laws of our society, or the formal definition of "domestic terrorism" you're right.

Lately it seems that any disagreement with controlled narrative is considered aggression or terrorism.

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I suppose that most of us regard any ideology that cannot be expressed without threats and profanity is by definition, un-American.

The Barbarian said:

If by "the narrative" you mean the laws of our society, or the formal definition of "domestic terrorism" you're right.

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No, I mean the agenda the school board was pushing that riled the parents.

The Barbarian said:

I suppose that most of us regard any ideology that cannot be expressed without threats and profanity is by definition, un-American.

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Yet threats, mockery and division are seen as the American way.

Albion said:

It's not me who's torturing the language in order to promote some purely partisan campaign.

Most significantly perhaps, the National School Boards Assn. that started this thing off by writing a letter to Biden,

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Here is that infamous letter:

Dear Mr. President:
America’s public schools and its education leaders are under an immediate threat. The National School Boards Association (NSBA) respectfully asks for federal law enforcement and other assistance to deal with the growing number of threats of violence and acts of intimidation occurring across the nation. Local school board members want to hear from their communities on important issues and that must be at the forefront of good school board governance and promotion of free speech. However, there also must be safeguards in place to protect public schools and dedicated education leaders as they do their jobs.
NSBA believes immediate assistance is required to protect our students, school board members, and educators who are susceptible to acts of violence affecting interstate commerce because of threats to their districts, families, and personal safety. As our school boards continue coronavirus recovery operations within their respective districts, they are also persevering against other challenges that could impede this progress in a number of communities. Coupled with attacks against school board members and educators for approving policies for masks to protect the health and safety of students and school employees, many public school officials are also facing physical threats because of propaganda purporting the false inclusion of critical race theory within classroom instruction and curricula.1 This propaganda continues despite the fact that critical race theory is not taught in public schools and remains a complex law school and graduate school subject well beyond the scope of a K-12 class.
On behalf of our state associations and the more than 90,000 school board members who govern our country’s 14,000 local public school districts educating more than 50 million schoolchildren, NSBA appreciates your leadership to end the proliferation of COVID-19 in our communities and our school districts. We also appreciate recent discussions with White House and U.S. Department of Education staff on many critical issues facing public schools, including threats school officials are receiving.


hmmm...nothing about domestic terrorists or any of yoru claims about people attending school board meetings. Imagine that.

later apologized following the outrage that ensued over the organization's claims of domestic terrorism. The actual language of the apology was this:

"We wanted to write to you directly to address this matter. On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for the letter...there was no justification for some of the language included in the letter."

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and no reference or link .... hmmmm

timothyu said:

That would depend on whether the comments agreed or disagreed with the narrative. Lately it seems that any disagreement with controlled narrative is considered aggression or terrorism. Be it secular or church that has always been considered dictatorial.

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how about some actual examples of this?

timothyu said:

No, I mean the agenda the school board was pushing that riled the parents.

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and what was the pushed agenda that justifies death threats?

I surely don’t support violence or threats of violence. But it is only reasonable to assume that attempting to poison the impressionable minds of children with woke dogmas rooted in hatred is going to provoke a strong reaction.

I do find it ironic that the woke indoctrinators who push this hateful ideology go run and hide up mommy’s skirt and cry foul when the hatred they attempt to spread is turned on them. Pretty pathetic to be honest.

SilverBear said:

Here is that infamous letter:

hmmm...nothing about domestic terrorists or any of yoru claims about people attending school board meetings. Imagine that.

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We can well imagine that! It's easy when your post reproduces only page one of a six page letter! Your own link verifies this.

If you had shown the full letter, we'd have seen this language used when the NSBA asked for an investigation:

“could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes.”

And, BTW, it should be apparent to any reader that you didn't post all of the letter since the page you copied, appearing to be an exact copy with letterhead and all, did not have any closing or signature!

In addition to that, it wouldn't make sense for the NSBA to have issued a formal apology for having written only what you showed us, but there surely would be, if we read the whole of the letter.

Albion said:

We can well imagine that! It's easy when your post reproduces only page one of a six page letter! Your own link shows verifies this fact.

If you had shown the full letter, we'd have seen this language used when the NASB asked for an investigation:

“could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes.”

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Wait...what did they say could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes?

Parents addressing schoolboards at open and public meetings? No. Nothing like this is the letter...

What did the letter say? "acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials"

Valletta said:

The National School Boards Association has apologized

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can you cite this?

Captain Ahab said:

I surely don’t support violence or threats of violence. But it is only reasonable to assume that attempting to poison the impressionable minds of children with woke dogmas rooted in hatred is going to provoke a strong reaction.

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Pennsbury PA School Board President Christine Toy-Dragoni has received more than 35 death threats to her self and her two daughters along with threats detailing the rape and mutilation of her daughters. They stem from school board discussions about pandemic masks in the schools. Obviously the threats were a reasonable response

Valletta said:

A newly released email indicates Education Secretary Miguel Cardona solicited last September’s letter from the National School Boards Association which compared parents protesting at school board meetings to domestic terrorists.

Miguel Cardona asked for school board 'domestic terror' letter

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Biden Secretary of Education implicated in comparing parents to domestic terrorists

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Education secretary asks for letter.

You're not seeing anything misleading in your presentation of this at all? No dubious assumptions?

Can you explain why you think the education secretary wouldn't want a copy of this letter?