Thank you for the clarification. In case you are unaware, the people you described are commonly called Antinomian. I have a sister-in-law who is very Antinomian.
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Thank you for the clarification. In case you are unaware, the people you described are commonly called Antinomian. I have a sister-in-law who is very Antinomian.
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Do you believe future sin is forgiven for a believer?
Do you believe a Christian abides in spiritual death or unforgiveness if they abide in unrepentant sin until they seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus?
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Thank you for the thought-provoking questions. It is rather like Jesus asking the Pharisees about the baptism of John.
I believe that when Jesus died on the cross, His death was sufficient for all of mankind at all times. Thus, His death paid for the sins of people yet unborn and for those in our future who are yet unborn.
Now, please note that I stated His death was sufficient for every person. It is efficient for nobody at all apart from faith in Him and His work of redemption.
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Sorry, I do not see the connection. Jesus asked the Pharisees if the origins of John’s baptism was of God or of man. They did not answer because they did not believe John’s baptism was of God.
I believe everything written in my Bible is from God.
What we disagree on is the interpretation of God’s Holy Word and not whether the teaching is inspired by God (origin) or not.
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I asked you: “Do you believe future sin is forgiven for a believer?”
I asked you: “Do you believe a Christian abides in spiritual death or unforgiveness if they abide in unrepentant sin until they seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus?”
By your answer, I assume that you would say the following to my questions.
Answer to #1. Yes, I believe future sins is forgiven a believer.
Is this correct?
Answer to #2.
No, I don’t believe a believer abides in spiritual death if they abide in unrepentant sin. Believers do not have to always confess of sins or seek forgiveness of sin to be forgiven because they are forgiven on the basis of faith (a belief alone) in Jesus as their Savior and His finished work (i.e. His death, burial, and resurrection).
Is this correct?
If this is indeed how you would have answered, I would take issue with it because it would be not much different than what your sister-in-law believes. Yes, I know she probably believes that a Christian can live in gross amounts of sin with no remorse and still be saved by having a belief alone in Jesus as their Savior. But what you said implies the same. For if you said to a child that they are saved solely on the basis of believing in Jesus for salvation and they did not lose salvation when they sinned, they could in fact turn out to be the next George Sodini who murdered a bunch of people and took his own life thinking he was saved by a belief alone in Jesus. For if you believe that a believer is saved even while they abide in just one unrepentant sin, then they can abide in gross amounts of unrepentant sin and be saved. There is no difference. Your view simply justifies a little bit of sin vs. your sister-in-law justifying lots of sins. But it only took one sin for Adam to commit in order for the Fall of mankind to happen. It only took one sin each for Ananias and Sapphira to be condemned.
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You are partially correct. I will attempt to clarify my understanding for you.
To your first question, I unequivocally believe that ALL sins for ALL of humanity - past, present, as well as future were paid for by the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. His payment was full and complete, lacking nothing, as the writer to the Hebrews attests.
That said, I am not a Universalist. I do not believe that everyone will be saved because Christ's death was sufficient to pay for their sins. In a very real sense Jesus Christ's death is only efficient for believers, although sufficient for unbelievers. The difference is faith. Faith appropriates the free forgiveness offered by Jesus Christ. Unbelief does not, pure and simple.
To your second question, I am convinced that God knows who are His and has known them from eternity past and will know them through eternity future. Moreover, He has established good works in which they walk as believers. Unbelievers can be discerned by the absence of these works, along with the fruit of the Spirit, in their lives. Even those who do amazing deeds may be among the lost at the final judgement, saying "Lord, Lord, did we not cast out demons in your name, etc." Not everyone who professes to be a Christian is actually a Christian. God, and God alone, actually knows those who are His own.
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You quoted my post, but you did not say anything, friend.
Update: Your post now has content. I will seek to reply in another post.
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Anyways, I would say your sister has a more consistent belief (although it is still a false belief). She does at least believe that Jesus paid for all future sin and she truly does believe it is a belief alone in Jesus that saves. So she lives a life that is in line with that kind of belief. But if one says we must live holy as a part of God’s grace, then it is no longer a belief alone in Jesus and it no longer means future sins are forgiven us. But Christians who believe the Bible know have to live holy as a condition in applying Christ’s sacrifice to our lives (1 John 1:7). Yes, we are first saved by God’s grace when we first come to the Lord, but after that, we must not justify sin in any way. Believers must confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
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So holiness is then a requirement for salvation after we are saved by God’s grace then.
You also did not really answer my second question to my satisfaction. Let me rephrase the question to be more specific so you understand where I am coming from.
Let’s say a believer generally lives a holy life trusting in the finished work of Christ. But one day, they look upon a woman in lust (not intending to do so), and they get hit by a bus and die before they get a chance to confess of their sins to Jesus Christ. Are they saved? Yes, or no is the answer I am looking for here. If you say… yes, they are saved… this would be not that much different than what your sister-in-law believes. The difference only is that she believes she can justify lots of sin under God’s grace whereas you would believe you can justify a little bit of sin under God’s grace (if you would say “yes” to the question).
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Your sister-in-law’s view of living in gross amounts of sin and thinking she is saved by having a belief alone in Jesus as the Savior is not the correct kind of faith. You believe there is a level of holiness that needs to be added to equation of faith in order for that faith to be genuine. So it’s not all just a belief alone in Jesus that saves if such is the case.
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The point about future sins is irrelevant unless you are a Universalist who believes everyone is forgiven of all sins (including future sins). So obviously if you are not a Universalist, then that means that something is required in order for the atonement of Jesus Christ to be applied personally to a person's life. Generally Christians believe that one needs faith in order for the atonement of Jesus Christ to be applied personally to an individual's' life. But not all Christians have the same definition of faith, though. Some Christians belief faith is solely a belief alone in Jesus as one's Savior, and other Christians see faith as exclusively works of faith and other believers like myself see faith as a two sided coin.
The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith
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Also, if future sin was forgiven a person why are we told to confess of sin in order to be forgiven of sin in 1 John 1:9?
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Normally Christians who use the future sin is forgiven excuse will say that our sins are yet future to the time Christ died for our sins upon the cross. But they ignore verses like 1 John 1:9 among others to make such a claim work.
Anyways, Jesus atoned for sin for the majority of mankind’s sin on a provisional basis. God made a provision or way of escape for us by dying the cross for man’s sins. Think of it sort of like if a person paid the price so as to eliminate your debt and he offers you a way out of your debt by the price that he paid. But you have to receive his check and cash it, and pay off those you are in debt to in order for you to be debt free personally. This person paid the price to get you out of debt. They made a provision for you, but it does not apply unless you follow the proper instructions (i.e. faith, the proper faith as taught in the Bible).
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Baptism of fire and the spirit. Scales fall from eyes. Only say the word and it shall be done. Pour out thy spirit on all flesh.
Every divine blessing is a miracle on earth, and miracles are commonplace in the Kingdom.
“Is My word not like fire?” declares the LORD, “and like a hammer which shatters a rock? (Jer 23:29)
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Amen! Being born, from above is a supernatural new birth. We receive a new heart, we are a new creation in Christ Jesus and become partakers of the divine nature. It's a miracle!
1 Peter 1:23 - having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.
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I already answered this for you but you fail to grasp the answer I gave you. Again, the answer would be: From Christ’s perspective on the cross, our sins would be future to Him at that point in time when He was dying in our place for our sins.
Oh, and by the way, you actually are refusing to answer my question. I asked: If future sin was forgiven a person why are we told to confess of sin in order to be forgiven of sin in 1 John 1:9?
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