Modern Apostles and Prophets?

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Are there any modern apostles and prophets?

I'm looking for examples of genuine, authentic modern apostles and prophets. It could be anyone from the last few centuries, but it would be even better if they are alive today.

What would be a list of, say, the top 5 people who you are highly confident are (or were) authentic modern apostles? Same question for modern prophets.

Another related question: what criteria should we use to discern the authenticity of an apostle and a prophet?

2 Corinthians 12:12 says the following about true apostles:

12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.

What about true prophets?
 

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Are there any modern apostles and prophets?

I'm looking for examples of genuine, authentic modern apostles and prophets. It could be anyone from the last few centuries, but it would be even better if they are alive today.

What would be a list of, say, the top 5 people who you are highly confident are (or were) authentic modern apostles? Same question for modern prophets.

Another related question: what criteria should we use to discern the authenticity of an apostle and a prophet?

2 Corinthians 12:12 says the following about true apostles:

12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.

What about true prophets?
I eagerly wait for that list. Thanks for posting!
 
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Are there any modern apostles and prophets?

I'm looking for examples of genuine, authentic modern apostles and prophets. It could be anyone from the last few centuries, but it would be even better if they are alive today.

What would be a list of, say, the top 5 people who you are highly confident are (or were) authentic modern apostles? Same question for modern prophets.

Another related question: what criteria should we use to discern the authenticity of an apostle and a prophet?

2 Corinthians 12:12 says the following about true apostles:

12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.

What about true prophets?
This will just turn into a bashing session of anyone listed... pass
 
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This will just turn into a bashing session of anyone listed... pass
Well that's not fair. If you know you may consider sharing. There is nothing unrighteous in discernment.
Blessings
 
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Well that's not fair. If you know you may consider sharing. There is nothing unrighteous in discernment.
Blessings
I beg to differ on all counts. Especially when discernment equates to a quick Google search of named person + "false prophet"
 
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While browsing Reddit, I found this same exact post on the Christianity forum there. I assume the OP user there is the same OP user here.

I agree with @topher694, it is very easy to shoot down someone if there are no parameters from the outset. What does the Bible say about how to determine if someone is a prophet? Once that baseline is established in the thread, then determinations can be made.

Example:

According to Scripture, true prophets...

  • Make predictions that “come to pass” (Jeremiah 28:9)
  • Glorify God rather than themselves (John 16:13)
  • Do not give their own private interpretations (2 Peter 1:20-21)
  • Point out sin (Micah 3:5-8)
  • Warn of coming judgment (Isaiah 24:20-21)
  • Edify the church (1 Corinthians 14:3-4)
  • Give messages that harmonize with the Bible (Isaiah 8:20)
  • Teach that Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3)
  • Have a Christ-like character (Matthew 7:16-20).
  • Are obedient to the will of God (Deuteronomy 18:18)
 
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This will just turn into a bashing session of anyone listed... pass
There is a parallel discussion in Spirit Filled/Charismatic that may be more hospitable. At least in terms of nobody being able to say in that forum that the gifts of the Spirit are no more. Still, I have two examples and I'm thinking long and hard before I offer those names because I feel like people would not want to hear them.
 
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Are there any modern apostles and prophets?

I'm looking for examples of genuine, authentic modern apostles and prophets. It could be anyone from the last few centuries, but it would be even better if they are alive today.

What would be a list of, say, the top 5 people who you are highly confident are (or were) authentic modern apostles? Same question for modern prophets.

Another related question: what criteria should we use to discern the authenticity of an apostle and a prophet?

2 Corinthians 12:12 says the following about true apostles:

12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.

What about true prophets?

The last Apostle who lived was, as far as we know, St. John, one of the Twelve. He was the only one of the Twelve who, according to ancient Christian tradition, died of old age rather than as a martyr.

Our Lord appointed no new apostles, if He had then we'd know who they were. Rather the Apostles left their charge to the churches, and so in churches around the ancient world there were appointed bishops and presbyters--pastors--to continue in the Apostles' work. So that apostolic authority is vested in those whom the Church ordains as Christ's ministers. So that whenever the word is faithfully preached and the Sacraments are faithfully administered there is the ministry and work of Christ in and through His Church.

This is why St. Ignatius of Antioch, who succeeded the ministry of Sts Paul and Peter in Antioch as bishop, instructs the churches he writes to (around 107 AD) to abide in their pastors who represent Christ and His Apostles for us.

"For, since you are subject to the bishop as to Jesus Christ, you appear to me to live not after the manner of men, but according to Jesus Christ, who died for us, in order, by believing in His death, you may escape from death. It is therefore necessary that, as you indeed do, so without the bishop you should do nothing, but should also be subject to the presbytery, as to the apostle of Jesus Christ, who is our hope, in whom, if we live, we shall [at last] be found. It is fitting also that the deacons, as being [the ministers] of the mysteries of Jesus Christ, should in every respect be pleasing to all. For they are not ministers of meat and drink, but servants of the Church of God. They are bound, therefore, to avoid all grounds of accusation [against them], as they would do fire." - Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Trallians, Chapter 2

"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate an agape-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid." - Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 8

While pastors are not apostles, they do sit in the seat of the Apostles for the sake of the good order of the Church, to minister to the Church with God's Word and Sacraments.

As far as prophets go, the age of the ancient vocation of prophet ended with Christ, the last of the Old Testament prophets was St. John the Baptist; and Christ Himself the long-awaited Prophet in the manner of Moses, who comes bringing His New Covenant.

But there is a spiritual charism of prophecy and a prophetic ministry that belongs to the Church. The Scriptures speak of these things. The distinction between preacher and prophet seems fairly weak in the New Testament, and we see in other early Christian writings, such as the Didache of the existence of traveling, itinerant preachers/prophets (and therefore the necessity of knowing the difference between true and false prophets/preachers).

The general, ordinary exercise of the gift of prophecy seems to be, given what the Apostle says in places such as 1 Corinthians 14, an act of preaching in the Church, of proclaiming, of prophecy. Speaking the word of God. Which, of course, is exactly what happens whenever a homily or sermon is preached. The Scriptures are read, and their exposition through preaching and instruction is the ordinary ministry of the Church in Word and Sacrament. Now, this does not mean that there may not be "prophets" in perhaps more special senses. There is a fairly long history of this throughout the history of the Church. For example in the historic "holy fools" aka fools-for-Christ. Examples of holy fools include St. Francis of Assisi.

While Martin Luther is not regarded as a prophet by Lutherans, you will still find Lutherans saying Luther was a "prophet" in a kind of sense. Not as someone with visions, dreams, or who claims to speak on behalf of God; but rather as someone who was speaking God's word in truth at a time when that was very much needed.

Likewise, I--and I'm not alone--consider MLK to be a prophet. Again, not as someone claiming to speak on behalf of God, or any of that kind of thing. But rather as someone boldly speaking the truth of God's word, speaking truth to power. I regard Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer in a similar light.

And to that end, the prophetic ministry of the Church is both profoundly, and quite simply, the Church's honest and faithful confession and proclamation of Jesus Christ in the midst of the world. It is the defiant stance of the Church, in Christ, against the principalities and powers of the world; but which is for the world in love, grace, and the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. To take hold of lost sinners and reconcile them to God, to be in the dark and hidden places and so shine our light--loving the least of these, standing up for the oppressed, clothing the naked, caring for the orphan and the widow. To take the stand of unshakeable conviction in the word of Jesus Christ.

To those ends, when I encounter someone who claims to be either an apostle or a prophet; or when someone tells me that some modern so-and-so claims to be an apostle or a prophet I can very safely say that they aren't.

Someone who claims such a thing shouldn't be taken seriously. Because we already know where God's works and gifts are: It's in His Church. And we know where His Church is because it's where the word is being preached and the Sacraments are administered.

This becomes quite obvious when you start listening to what these self-claimed apostles and prophets say, because the words that come out of their mouth are the words of men, not the word of God. They speak contrary to the word of God, they introduce false doctrines, they teach contrary to the faith and confession of the Church, and they teach others to do the same. And by the fruit of their own words we can easily discern that this isn't the milk and honey of the Gospel, but the devil's poison.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The Bible clearly explains how a person can receive God's free gift of Eternal Life, how to conduct ones life as a believer and gives a future look into coming times and a look back to God's creation and the choosing of the Hebrews to be God's people. So really what more do you want.
 
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No there are none, maybe some from satan but none from God

And what you base that statement on? not certainly on the bible,
The bible clearly states, God constituted apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor, teachers, etc...
 
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And what you base that statement on? not certainly on the bible,
The bible clearly states, God constituted apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor, teachers, etc...

That there are no new revelations from God. The Bible gives all God wants humanity to know for now. The Bible is not being added to with any new revelations.

If a person looks for new revelation in this age they are opening themselves up for deception.

God Communicates with us through His Word , The Bible.

The only other way God offers people of this age a way to communicate with God is through prayer.
 
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Are there any modern apostles and prophets?

I'm looking for examples of genuine, authentic modern apostles and prophets. It could be anyone from the last few centuries, but it would be even better if they are alive today.

What would be a list of, say, the top 5 people who you are highly confident are (or were) authentic modern apostles? Same question for modern prophets.

Another related question: what criteria should we use to discern the authenticity of an apostle and a prophet?

2 Corinthians 12:12 says the following about true apostles:

12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.

What about true prophets?
With Both being 100% Correct at all times in Teaching, Predictions and Holy Living.

Chapter 11. Concerning Teachers, Apostles, and Prophets. Whosoever, therefore, comes and teaches you all these things that have been said before, receive him. But if the teacher himself turns and teaches another doctrine to the destruction of this, hear him not. But if he teaches so as to increase righteousness and the knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord. But concerning the apostles and prophets, act according to the decree of the Gospel. Let every apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord. But he shall not remain more than one day; or two days, if there's a need. But if he remains three days, he is a false prophet. And when the apostle goes away, let him take nothing but bread until he lodges. If he asks for money, he is a false prophet. And every prophet who speaks in the Spirit you shall neither try nor judge; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven. But not every one who speaks in the Spirit is a prophet; but only if he holds the ways of the Lord. Therefore from their ways shall the false prophet and the prophet be known. And every prophet who orders a meal in the Spirit does not eat it, unless he is indeed a false prophet. And every prophet who teaches the truth, but does not do what he teaches, is a false prophet. And every prophet, proved true, working unto the mystery of the Church in the world, yet not teaching others to do what he himself does, shall not be judged among you, for with God he has his judgment; for so did also the ancient prophets. But whoever says in the Spirit, Give me money, or something else, you shall not listen to him. But if he tells you to give for others' sake who are in need, let no one judge him.

Chapter 13. Support of Prophets. But every true prophet who wants to live among you is worthy of his support. So also a true teacher is himself worthy, as the workman, of his support. Every first-fruit, therefore, of the products of wine-press and threshing-floor, of oxen and of sheep, you shall take and give to the prophets, for they are your high priests. But if you have no prophet, give it to the poor. If you make a batch of dough, take the first-fruit and give according to the commandment. So also when you open a jar of wine or of oil, take the first-fruit and give it to the prophets; and of money (silver) and clothing and every possession, take the first-fruit, as it may seem good to you, and give according to the commandment.

Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).
See also http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~tim/study/DidacheAndProphets.pdf
 
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That there are no new revelations from God. The Bible gives all God wants humanity to know for now. The Bible is not being added to with any new revelations.

If a person looks for new revelation in this age they are opening themselves up for deception.

God Communicates with us through His Word , The Bible.

The only other way God offers people of this age a way to communicate with God is through prayer.

I don't believe God is interested in making a prophet add to scripture, but we still need revelation and guidance for a lot of other stuff in this life. And God is not mute at all. There are no rules that said that after the last apostles died God was not interested in communicating anything to anyone, that sounds more like unbelief than other thing.
 
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Still, I have two examples and I'm thinking long and hard before I offer those names because I feel like people would not want to hear them.

Feel free to send me a private message with the names. I promise not to disclose them.
 
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