POPE FRANCIS: BIDEN TO KEEP RECEIVING HOLY COMMUNION? (YOUR INSTANT REACTIONS)

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

LIVESTREAM: According to news reports, President Biden who has strongly advocated for the expansion of legalized and government-funded abortion, transgenderism, and has officiated gay-marriage was told by Pope Francis at their 10/29/2021 meeting at the Vatican that he should keep receiving Holy Eucharist. A recommendation which is not only a violation of canon law but of sacred scripture and tradition; for a manifest grave sinner to receive the Holy Eucharist unworthily. (Watch on YouTube) (Watch on FakeBook) (Watch on Twitter) (Watch on Rumble)

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Pope Francis: Biden to Keep Receiving Holy Communion? (Your Instant Reactions) | DavidLGray.INFO

Andrei D · Oct 30, 2021

Well, all I know is that for a reason I can't fully comprehend what makes sad almost to tears is that the Eucharist is a headline topic in all the anti-Christian media. Now it's "theirs". They won it. The inversion is so profound, I can't cope with it. It just doesn't belong in the mouths of CNN anchors. And since when do they care? Any of them?

Not being Catholic, I obviously have no opinion on whether Biden should or shouldn't receive communion. I just have this emotional reaction that His Precious Blood and Body are now a weapon and a hostage and a prize, much like a precious baby is in an ugly divorce.

Sword of the Lord · Oct 30, 2021

Is this Pope really Catholic?

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

Understanding 21st Century Catholicism in two easy images

Potentially good Catholics:

Most likely really bad Catholics:

Learn it, repeat it, remember it. This is what will or won't make you a good Catholic for the foreseeable future. At least in the eyes of some.

After all, we have it on the highest of authorities that this is the new standard for all Catholics who would live life enthusiastically, which is what God apparently really wants (bonus 3rd Image):

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Daffey Thoughts: Understanding 21st Century Catholicism in two easy images

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

Pope is ‘damning Biden and himself’

News of the Pope’s alleged comments have caused instant consternation amongst Catholics, while the mainstream media simultaneously heralded the event as being one between a politician and a Pope who has provided “familial comfort and ideological inspiration to a President whose faith has long underpinned his public and private lives.”

The news was welcomed by heretical group “Women’s Ordination Conference,” who shared America Magazine’s report on Twitter with the hashtag “#WhoWouldJesusDeny.”

In contrast, Br. Martin wrote briefly: “When the Divine Moral Law is treated beneath the authority of any bishop, he has placed himself above God.”

Speaking to LifeSiteNews, Matt Gaspers, managing editor of Catholic Family News, stated: “Today in the Vatican, the deep state warmly embraced the deep church, to borrow terms frequently used by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò.”

“The former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States has aptly described the villainous relationship between Joe Biden and Pope Francis on several occasions, but perhaps most succinctly in his interview with Steve Bannon (Jan. 1, 2021), stating that ‘Biden is the equivalent of Bergoglio.’ Ultimately, as His Excellency told Italian Vaticanista Marco Tosatti (Sept. 12, 2020): ‘The self-styled Catholic Joe Biden, who supports partial-birth abortion, i.e., infanticide, and who even before Obama supported gender ideology and celebrated the ‘marriage’ of two men, is not Catholic. Period.’”

“I wholeheartedly agree and absolutely condemn the diabolical notion that Biden is ‘a good Catholic’ and ‘should keep receiving Communion,’” added Gaspers.

U.K. commentator and author Deacon Nick Donnelly was equally critical of the news, stating that the Pope “tells pro-abortion Biden to keep receiving Holy Communion. Thereby, damning Biden and himself.”

EWTN host Raymond Arroyo noted how the Pope was going “against his own US bishops on this (and canon law). Interesting to see how this plays out…” Arroyo also noted, “The major caveat is: did the Pope actually say this?”

Rhode Island’s Bishop Thomas Tobin was also swift to react, commenting that “I fear that the Church has lost its prophetic voice. Where are the John the Baptists who will confront the Herods of our day?” Tobin had previously written to the Pope on Twitter, asking him to “challenge” Biden for his support for abortion, which “is an embarrassment for the Church and a scandal to the world.”

Pro-abortion Joe Biden says Pope Francis told him to 'keep receiving Communion' - LifeSite

VincentIII · Oct 30, 2021

How did the discussion come up? Did Biden ask? Did the Pope offer it without being asked?

Thatgirloncfforums · Oct 30, 2021

Was Biden told or is this something that he surmises or assumes?

Since the bishops are divided on this and other matters, the Pope ought to call a council.
To decide on:
1) Whether to officially anathematize Biden, Pelosi, James Martin et al.
2) Reaffirm the Church's stance on abortion and set specific guidelines for politicians.
3) Reinstate and officially promote or not, the Latin Mass.
4) Reaffirm the Church's teaching on women in the priesthood.
5) Set stricter guidelines for women and lay members in leadership, especially within the context of the liturgy.
6) Clarify the Church's relationship with other religions and set guidelines for practical application.
7) Clarify or decide the nature of the Papacy so that possible rogue popes can be dealt with decisively and in a timely manner.

Just my opinion. Delete this if necessary.

Michie said:
LIVESTREAM: According to news reports, President Biden who has strongly advocated for the expansion of legalized and government-funded abortion, transgenderism, and has officiated gay-marriage was told by Pope Francis at their 10/29/2021 meeting at the Vatican that he should keep receiving Holy Eucharist. A recommendation which is not only a violation of canon law but of sacred scripture and tradition; for a manifest grave sinner to receive the Holy Eucharist unworthily. (Watch on YouTube) (Watch on FakeBook) (Watch on Twitter) (Watch on Rumble)

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Pope Francis: Biden to Keep Receiving Holy Communion? (Your Instant Reactions) | DavidLGray.INFO

Andrei D · Oct 30, 2021

I also find this "universal talking point" very disturbing, you know how our "independent media" just so happens to use the same words at the same time - "the two most powerful Catholics". As Catholics, does this rub you the wrong way, too?

Thatgirloncfforums · Oct 30, 2021

As a nonCatholic, it rubs me the wrong way. I feel for every devout Catholic but admired your commitment to stick it out (I left).. The world needs this, it needs validation. The Catholic Church is the true Church and the world knows it. They treat her the same way they treat God. How many times must Christians hear the world ask, 'If you were a true Christian....Jesus said...'?

Andrei D said:
I also find this "universal talking point" very disturbing, you know how our "independent media" just so happens to use the same words at the same time - "the two most powerful Catholics". As Catholics, does this rub you the wrong way, too?

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Thatgirloncfforums · Oct 30, 2021

Priests are the most beautiful thing in the world, next to mothers.

Basil the Great · Oct 30, 2021

If Pope Francis actually did tell the President to continue taking Communion, then I guess this confirms the reports when he was up for Papal election previously that described his as a "moderate". Having said this, I suppose that we already knew this was true when he opened up the door to the possibility of divorced and remarried Catholics receiving Communion. Now this pro-choice elected officials situation has been hotly debated since the 1970's when Row vs Wade was overturned and abortion became legal in the U.S. Since the Bishops are somewhat divided on the matter, a Church Council might well be the best way to go.

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

Basil the Great said:
If Pope Francis actually did tell the President to continue taking Communion, then I guess this confirms the reports when he was up for Papal election previously that described his as a "moderate". Now this situation has been debated since the 1970's when Row vs Wade was overturned and abortion became legal in the U.S. Since the Bishops are somewhat divided on the matter, a Church Council might well be the best way to go.

You cannot change the dogmas of the Church. It is not a democracy.

Basil the Great · Oct 30, 2021

Michie said:
You cannot change the dogmas of the Church. It is not a democracy.

I understand, Michie. However, there seems to be a difference of view among the Bishops in terms of interpretation of dogma when applying it in this given situation of Catholic elected officials who claim that they are personally against abortion, but do not feel that they have the right to make it a criminal act.

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

As a Catholic, you cannot say I’m personally against abortion while vehemently defending pro choice and attacking Little Sisters of the Poor among the other things he has condoned. He should not be receiving the Eucharist. Period.

Thatgirloncfforums · Oct 30, 2021

Can you help me understand what the issue was exactly in regard to remarriage? Were people being allowed to take communion irrespective of their penitent state (expressed through seeking an annulment)?

Basil the Great said:
If Pope Francis actually did tell the President to continue taking Communion, then I guess this confirms the reports when he was up for Papal election previously that described his as a "moderate". Having said this, I suppose that we already knew this was true when he opened up the door to the possibility of divorced and remarried Catholics receiving Communion. Now this pro-choice elected officials situation has been hotly debated since the 1970's when Row vs Wade was overturned and abortion became legal in the U.S. Since the Bishops are somewhat divided on the matter, a Church Council might well be the best way to go.

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

Why Catholics Can’t Be Pro-Choice

During the Montgomery Bus Boycott of the mid 1950s, a reporter asked civil rights activist Thurgood Marshall, “Do you think all Negroes should boycott the buses?” Marshall replied, “Oh, by no means. I think all freedom-loving Americansshould boycott the buses.”

Marshall was able to highlight the fact that opposition to racial segregation was not merely a “black issue,” it was an issue that all just and reasonable people should support, regardless of their race. In a similar vein, when someone asks me if I think all Catholics should oppose legal abortion, I reply, “Oh, by no means. I think all reasonablepeople should oppose legal abortion.”

Unfortunately, there are many people who call themselves Catholic and yet believe, for one reason or another, they can be “pro-choice,” or support legal abortion, without compromising their Catholic Faith. When I say someone is “pro-choice,” I don’t mean only that he has voted for a political candidate who happens to support keeping abortion legal. I mean that person is committed to the idea that legal abortion is necessary and that he votes for laws and politicians with the intention of keeping abortion legal.

I contend that Catholics cannot support legal abortion for two reasons. First, Catholics are reasonable people, and the most reasonable position on abortion is to outlaw it. Second, Catholics are guided by faith, and our faith clearly teaches that abortion is a serious evil that must be stopped.

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Why Catholics Can’t Be Pro-Choice

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

'We cannot receive Jesus Christ, our Creator, while at the same time subscribing to a law which is allowing us to destroy the lives which are given of God,' declared the former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

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Cardinal Müller insists pro-abortion politicians like Joe Biden cannot receive the Eucharist - LifeSite

Michie · Oct 30, 2021

Cardinal Burke explained that he was speaking out because the issue was “a matter of life and death for the unborn and of eternal salvation for the Catholic politicians involved.”

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Cardinal Burke: Bishops Have ‘Sacred Duty’ to Apply Canon Law to Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians

Thatgirloncfforums · Oct 30, 2021

This is telling, bc it shows that Biden is willing to be personally (ie privately) involved in denying Church teaching (as opposed to his, 'Privately, I'm with the Church' stance).:

The first “wedding” Biden officiated in his former role of Vice President was between two men in 2016; he publicly endorsed same-sex “marriage’ in 2012.

(I don't feel like I worded that well)

Michie said:
'We cannot receive Jesus Christ, our Creator, while at the same time subscribing to a law which is allowing us to destroy the lives which are given of God,' declared the former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

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Cardinal Müller insists pro-abortion politicians like Joe Biden cannot receive the Eucharist - LifeSite

Thatgirloncfforums · Oct 30, 2021

This is hopeful! It sounds like things will eventually be resolved for the good

Michie said:
Cardinal Burke explained that he was speaking out because the issue was “a matter of life and death for the unborn and of eternal salvation for the Catholic politicians involved.”

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Cardinal Burke: Bishops Have ‘Sacred Duty’ to Apply Canon Law to Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians

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