Day of the Dead question

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What's the Orthodox view on the Mexican celebration? It looks like it can be related to All Souls Day but it looks like there is some questionable stuff such as having a "ofrenda" (offering) for deceased familiars and putting food or even alcohol for the visiting relatives.
 

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What's the Orthodox view on the Mexican celebration? It looks like it can be related to All Souls Day but it looks like there is some questionable stuff such as having a "ofrenda" (offering) for deceased familiars and putting food or even alcohol for the visiting relatives.

Wasn't day of the dead a zombie movie?
 
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What's the Orthodox view on the Mexican celebration? It looks like it can be related to All Souls Day but it looks like there is some questionable stuff such as having a "ofrenda" (offering) for deceased familiars and putting food or even alcohol for the visiting relatives.
Here grocery stores sell packaged pan de muerto. The first time I saw that I didn't know what it was, but I knew "death bread" didn't sound too appetizing, lol.

But I have a question for you. Wiki says about the bread that "there is normally a baked tear drop on the bread to represent goddess Chīmalmā's tears for the living." I have a hard time believing that's really the norm. Do you think many people who observe the holiday acknowledge the Aztec goddess?
 
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Here grocery stores sell packaged pan de muerto. The first time I saw that I didn't know what it was, but I knew "death bread" didn't sound too appetizing, lol.

But I have a question for you. Wiki says about the bread that "there is normally a baked tear drop on the bread to represent goddess Chīmalmā's tears for the living." I have a hard time believing that's really the norm. Do you think many people who observe the holiday acknowledge the Aztec goddess?
Well, my family does not come from Mexico so I can't tell, also my background is Evangelical so my family would get away from any of that stuff. We ate some bread with a kid form with colada morada, a purple and thick liquid that is prepared with typical fruits of Ecuador, spices and corn flour.
 
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Well, my family does not come from Mexico so I can't tell, also my background is Evangelical so my family would get away from any of that stuff. We ate some bread with a kid form with colada morada, a purple and thick liquid that is prepared with typical fruits of Ecuador, spices and corn flour.
Wiki also says it's very popular in Ecuador, for what it's worth. Anyway, nothing wrong with remembering deceased relatives but many aspects of this look to me like death itself is being celebrated.
 
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I celebrate death. She will bring me closer to Jesus.
Is that wrong?
Wiki also says it's very popular in Ecuador, for what it's worth. Anyway, nothing wrong with remembering deceased relatives but many aspects of this look to me like death itself is being celebrated.
 
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I celebrate death. She will bring me closer to Jesus.
Is that wrong?
Jesus will bring you closer to Jesus. Death is the enemy He has defeated. It shouldn't be celebrated.
 
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Jesus will bring you closer to Jesus. Death is the enemy He has defeated. It shouldn't be celebrated.
I'm still going to die though. Christ has defeated death, but I think of it as, he made her holy, gentle and virginal--like Ireneaus says of Eve. Christ is present in death as well as on the other side of it.

I don't celebrate it literally like with ceremonies, that would be to make death a goddess instead of a handmaiden, but I do like the goth aesthetic with skulls and bones.

Also, I don't really see a difference between invoking the saints and ancestor cults except the mode. Ie, one is by the Spirit and the other, well, not.
 
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I'm still going to die though. Christ has defeated death, but I think of it as, he made her holy, gentle and virginal--like Ireneaus says of Eve. Christ is present in death as well as on the other side of it.

I don't celebrate it literally like with ceremonies, that would be to make death a goddess instead of a handmaiden, but I do like the goth aesthetic with skulls and bones.

Also, I don't really see a difference between invoking the saints and ancestor cults except the mode. Ie, one is by the Spirit and the other, well, not.
The difference is we know the saints are in union with God. We shouldn't invoke any other persons, if we know what's good for us.
 
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The difference is we know the saints are in union with God. We shouldn't invoke any other persons, if we know what's good for us.
That's true. I have just been wondering of late, if the invocation of saints was prefigured by ancestor worship. It seems like it would be easier for a person who offered libations to his dead relatives in order to relieve them, would rejoice to see Christ as the libation which freed them from their predicament. So, whether in hades or heaven, as far as communication goes, nothing would change. It's not like Christ took them away from their loved ones on earth. This in contrast to a person who did not believe that their ancestors were near. I think it would be harder for them to come to the realization, once Christian, that Christ makes them near now. But I am probably wrong. I believe that saints can be invoked. I can't prove it from Scripture though. I go on experience and the idea that the kingdom of God is within. To me, this means, that each individual saint resides in me (and can see all things with regard to me), like the many eyed cherubim.
So I am really, very subjective in my opinion here.
 
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That's true. I have just been wondering of late, if the invocation of saints was prefigured by ancestor worship.

more like ancestor worship was a distortion of the invocation of saints.
 
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