Can An Evangelical Sunday Worshiper Actually Become a Seven Day Adventist: Its More Than Just The D

SabbathBlessings · Oct 19, 2021

A_Thinker said:
That christians are not under Old Testament Law ...

Romans 7

4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

"For now we have been delivered from the law." It doesn't mean delivered from obedience; it means the penalty of the law.

"Having died to what we were held by, so we should serve in a newness of the Spirit, not the oldness of the letter.

You left out the very next verse:

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” (direct reference to the Ten Commandments)

Going back to the New Covenant, Jesus wants us changed from the inside out. Jesus came to magnify God's laws Isaiah 42:21 to make us new creatures from the inside out. This does not void the law as Jesus tells us Mathew 5:17-30 and Paul tells us 1 Cor 7:19, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 we obey now because of love for God John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 and it is a fruit of our faith. Jesus is our Mediator and when we repent from our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us. 1 John 1:9 we just don't want to willfully sin without repenting as there remains no more sacrifice. Hebrews 10:26. The good news is there is time right now to turn from sin and Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to help us obey the commandments John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32. Sin is the transgression of God's laws even in the New Covenant 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7, When you are truly walking in the Spirit you are obeying the commandments of God. Your focus is on Christ not the law but you are aware of the law so you can obey. It's like driving a car- I am aware of my speed, but I am focused on driving safely not my speed.

Hope this helps.

God bless

A_Thinker · Oct 19, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
"For now we have been delivered from the law." It doesn't mean delivered from obedience; it means the penalty of the law.

So why do the early christians dismiss circumcision, celebrating/observing sabbaths and holy days, distinguishing between clean and unclean, returning to the sacrifices, keeping apart from the Gentiles, etc.

The Law was for the Israelites. God has written His NT Law on the hearts of believers. We need not look back to what was done before. The First Covenant (based upon the Law) was not a way to please God ... it was a way to recognize our sin.

The way to please God is through Faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

It is a new day.

SabbathBlessings · Oct 19, 2021

A_Thinker said:
So why do the early christians dismiss circumcision, celebrating/observing sabbaths and holy days, distinguishing between clean and unclean, returning to the sacrifices, keeping apart from the Gentiles, etc.

The Law was for the Israelites. God has written His NT Law on the hearts of believers. We need not look back to what was done before. The First Covenant (based upon the Law) was not a way to please God ... it was a way to recognize our sin.

The way to please God is through Faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

It is a new day.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

According to Jesus we show love to Him when we obey the commandments John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

Paul tells us 1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Circumcision is not a commandment of God and Paul tells us what matters IS keeping the commandments of God.

God saints have both the faith in Jesus and keeps the commandments of God. Revelations 14:12

You make reference to Col 2:16, but you need to read Col 2:14 and 2:17 to understand the context. It is referring to the ordinances that is contrary. God's seventh day Sabbath is holy and blessed and not burdensome 1 John 5:3 so it's not talking about the Sabbath commandment here. The Sabbath is a commandments are not an ordinances, so it is definitely not referring to the seventh day Sabbath. What is an ordinance and is in context of food and drink are the annual sabbath(s) feasts days found in Lev 23 that is an ordinance in the law of Moses and is part of the sacrificial system that ended (Hebrews 10) with Christ as our perfect sacrifice. The seventh day Sabbath points backward "Remember" the Sabbath day Exodus 20:8-11 to Genesis 2:1-3 before there was sin. The Sabbath will be the Lords day of worship as promised by God Exodus 31:16 for eternity after sin ends Isaiah 66:23

I honestly do not understand why anyone would not want to obey Jesus. IF you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

God bless!

bbbbbbb · Oct 19, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

According to Jesus we show love to Him when we obey the commandments John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

Paul tells us 1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Circumcision is not a commandment of God and Paul tells us what matters IS keeping the commandments of God.

God saints have both the faith in Jesus and keeps the commandments of God. Revelations 14:12

You make reference to Col 2:16, but you need to read Col 2:14 and 2:17 to understand the context. It is referring to the ordinances that is contrary. God's seventh day Sabbath is holy and blessed and not burdensome 1 John 5:3 so it's not talking about the Sabbath commandment here. The Sabbath is a commandments are not an ordinances, so it is definitely not referring to the seventh day Sabbath. What is an ordinance and is in context of food and drink are the annual sabbath(s) feasts days found in Lev 23 that is an ordinance in the law of Moses and is part of the sacrificial system that ended (Hebrews 10) with Christ as our perfect sacrifice. The seventh day Sabbath points backward "Remember" the Sabbath day Exodus 20:8-11 to Genesis 2:1-3 before there was sin. The Sabbath will be the Lords day of worship as promised by God Exodus 31:16 for eternity after sin ends Isaiah 66:23

I honestly do not understand why anyone would not want to obey Jesus. IF you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

God bless!

If you profess to love Jesus and keep all of the commandments in the Bible given by God, why, then, do you willfully ignore most of the commandments? At the very least, this is considered to be hypocritical by most people.

SabbathBlessings · Oct 19, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
If you profess to love Jesus and keep all of the commandments in the Bible given by God, why, then, do you willfully ignore most of the commandments? At the very least, this is considered to be hypocritical by most people.

How do you know what I do?

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

A_Thinker said:
Sunday worship is not a violation of the 4th commandment, ... which instructs us to rest on the Sabbath. It has nothing to do with what we do on Sunday. Currently noone is commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest ...

True but many choose to disregard God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and substitute it in for Sunday worship which is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment. This is where the problem is. The problem is in following man-made teachings that lead us to break the commandments of God which is what Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:2-9

Take Care.

klutedavid · Oct 19, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
This is how God describes His saints

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

What has that got to do with the saints judging the world?

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

These two commandments are the commandments John is referring to in his letters.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Your interpretation is faulty.

klutedavid · Oct 19, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
True but many choose to disregard God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and substitute it in for Sunday worship which is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment. This is where the problem is. The problem is in following man-made teachings that lead us to break the commandments of God which is what Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:2-9

Take Care.

Man made teaching or man made interpretations?

Which one do people follow?

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

klutedavid said:
Man made teaching or man made interpretations? Which one do people follow?

According to the scriptures, Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that many choose to follow over the Word of God. This is the test and choice that will come to all of us is who do we believe and follow; God or man (see John 10:16; Revelation 18:1-5; John 4:23-24)? Do we choose to follow man-made teachings and traditions of men that have led many to break the commandments of God as Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:2-9 or do we believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.

klutedavid · Oct 19, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
According to the scriptures, Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that many choose to follow over the Word of God. This is the test and choice that will come to all of us is who do we believe and follow; God or man (see John 10:16; Revelation 18:1-5; John 4:23-24)? Do we choose to follow man-made teachings and traditions of men that have led many to break the commandments of God as Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:2-9 or do we believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.

You can go to church on Sunday.

It is not a sin to go to church on Sunday.

I do not see anywhere in the scripture that says; you can't go to church on Sunday?

You can go to church any day of the week if you wish. No man made tradition ever comments on how many days you can go to church.

We go to church to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus and to break the bread. As He told us to do.

The sabbath is a rest day in the scripture and the nation of Israel, was commanded to honor the sabbath day. We Gentiles were never under the ceremonial law nor even the ten commandments.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

klutedavid said:
You can go to church on Sunday.

It is not a sin to go to church on Sunday.

I do not see anywhere in the scripture that says; you can't go to church on Sunday?

You can go to church any day of the week if you wish. No man made tradition ever comments on how many days you can go to church.

We go to church to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus and to break the bread. As He told us to do.

The sabbath is a rest day in the scripture and the nation of Israel, was commanded to honor the sabbath day. We Gentiles were never under the ceremonial law nor even the ten commandments.

Not really. Your post content here is a red herring and an argument no one is making that as nothing to do with the post you are quoting from. Gods Israel according to the new covenant scriptures are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born of the Spirit through faith (scripture support here) which God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath is an everlasting covenant and one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. If your not a part of God's Israel then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God never made a covenant with gentiles.

Take Care.

pasifika · Oct 19, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Red herring that as nothing to do with the post you are quoting from. Gods Israel according to the new covenant scriptures are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born of the Spirit through faith (scripture support here) which God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath is an everlasting covenant and one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Seed of Abraham have been always through Faith...But the Law (10) is Not based on Faith...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

pasifika said:
Seed of Abraham have been always through Faith...But the Law (10) is Not based on Faith...

No one said it was. Your point?

klutedavid · Oct 19, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really. Your post content here is a red herring and an argument no one is making that as nothing to do with the post you are quoting from. Gods Israel according to the new covenant scriptures are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born of the Spirit through faith (scripture support here) which God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath is an everlasting covenant and one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. If your not a part of God's Israel then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God never made a covenant with gentiles.

Take Care.

Where does the scripture say that you cant go to church on Sunday?

Going to church has nothing to do with a sabbath rest day.

You seem to have your wires crossed.

bbbbbbb · Oct 19, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
How do you know what I do?

I only know based on your multiple posts here at CF. If you are a member of the SDA which you profess to be and you adhere to both the doctrines and practices of the SDA I can say with absolute certainty that you do not obey anything close to all of God's commandments in the Bible.

If, however you do not adhere to the doctrines and practices of the SDA, please correct me.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

klutedavid said:
Where does the scripture say that you cant go to church on Sunday?

Going to church has nothing to do with a sabbath rest day.

You seem to have your wires crossed.

Strawman? Where did anyone say you cannot go to Church on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday etc? Now where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are commanded to worship God on Sunday? - There is none. The conversation is over sin and breaking God's commandments in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God. Jesus says in Matthew 15:2-9 those who follow man-made teachings that lead us to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Sunday worship is a man-made teachings and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to follow man-made teachings and to break Gods' 4th commandment which according to the scriptures is sin (see Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20 and Romans 14:23) and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin. According to John those who practice sin (breaking Gods' law and not believing God's Word) and those who believe and follow what God's Word says is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil (see 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12: Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4). The test that is coming to everyone of us is who do we believe and follow; God or man. The question is who has God given eyes to see and ears to hear *Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:14-15; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 and who will not harden their heart to to believing and following what God's Word says *Hebrews 3:8; 10; 12-13; 15; 17-19; Hebrews 4:1-2; 6-7; 11?

Take Care.

pasifika · Oct 19, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No one said it was. Your point?

My point…you posting scriptures that talk about Faith (Abraham Faith)… on the other hand you follow a law (10) which has nothing to do with Faith…

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
I only know based on your multiple posts here at CF. If you are a member of the SDA which you profess to be and you adhere to both the doctrines and practices of the SDA I can say with absolute certainty that you do not obey anything close to all of God's commandments in the Bible. If, however you do not adhere to the doctrines and practices of the SDA, please correct me.

I know you wrote this to someone else here but we should be careful to believe Gods' Word here (see Romans 2:1-11; Matthew 7:1-5)

LoveGodsWord · Oct 19, 2021

pasifika said:
My point…you posting scriptures that talk about Faith (Abraham Faith)… on the other hand you follow a law (10) which has nothing to do with Faith…

We show our faith by believing and following what Gods' Word says. No one has faith in Gods' Word by not believing and not following what Gods' Word says. This is called unbelief and sin. James calls this the faith of devils and the devils will not be saved according to the scriptures *James 2:17-26

Take Care.

klutedavid · Oct 20, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Strawman? Where did anyone say you cannot go to Church on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday etc? Now where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are commanded to worship God on Sunday? - There is none. The conversation is over sin and breaking God's commandments in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God. Jesus says in Matthew 15:2-9 those who follow man-made teachings that lead us to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Sunday worship is a man-made teachings and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to follow man-made teachings and to break Gods' 4th commandment which according to the scriptures is sin (see Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20 and Romans 14:23) and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin. According to John those who practice sin (breaking Gods' law and not believing God's Word) and those who believe and follow what God's Word says is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil (see 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12: Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4). The test that is coming to everyone of us is who do we believe and follow; God or man. The question is who has God given eyes to see and ears to hear *Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:14-15; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 and who will not harden their heart to to believing and following what God's Word says *Hebrews 3:8; 10; 12-13; 15; 17-19; Hebrews 4:1-2; 6-7; 11?

Take Care.

Not a strawman.

I can assure you that I have never been under the ceremonial law.

Because I was never under the ceremonial law, this means, I was never under the law.

Do you understand this LGW.

You have to be under the law to obey the ten commandments and I have never been under the law.

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